(11-28-2023 07:19 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 06:13 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Two of those six ACC wins were against South Carolina. The Gamecocks had a tough schedule and a less than stellar season that revealed offensive and defensive shortcomings along with some other recruitment and conditioning development needs. The team was generally not necessarily bad, but were mediocre, delivering disappointing overall result.

With a third of the ACC’s 6 wins vs SEC opponents are against one “down” school, suggesting this renders ACC football a position of overall superiority to the SEC is absurd. These games were not random or balanced matching.

If the perhaps fantasy argument one is trying to make is that ACC football is indeed superior, use better and more extensive data that exist, to try to prove the assumption.

two of the SEC wins were against a Georgia Tech team...... GT has been a down team since Clown Collins took over.... so we can take USCe and GT out of it and the ACC has 4 wins and the SEC has 2.....slice it anyway you want it....

South Carolina didn't do anything in the SEC, they were 3-5 in the league and finished with a losing record. They finished fifth out of seven teams in the weaker SEC East.

In contrast, Georgia Tech was a mild surprise in the ACC, going 5-3, and they are going to a bowl game for the first time in five years. They actually finished 4th in the overall ACC standings, ahead of teams like Clemson, North Carolina and Miami. So feasting on SC seems like more of a feast than feasting on Georgia Tech, IMO.

(11-28-2023 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 07:19 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 06:13 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Two of those six ACC wins were against South Carolina. The Gamecocks had a tough schedule and a less than stellar season that revealed offensive and defensive shortcomings along with some other recruitment and conditioning development needs. The team was generally not necessarily bad, but were mediocre, delivering disappointing overall result.

With a third of the ACC’s 6 wins vs SEC opponents are against one “down” school, suggesting this renders ACC football a position of overall superiority to the SEC is absurd. These games were not random or balanced matching.

If the perhaps fantasy argument one is trying to make is that ACC football is indeed superior, use better and more extensive data that exist, to try to prove the assumption.

two of the SEC wins were against a Georgia Tech team...... GT has been a down team since Clown Collins took over.... so we can take USCe and GT out of it and the ACC has 4 wins and the SEC has 2.....slice it anyway you want it....

South Carolina didn't do anything in the SEC, they were 3-5 in the league and finished with a losing record. They finished fifth out of seven teams in the weaker SEC East.

In contrast, Georgia Tech was a mild surprise in the ACC, going 5-3, and they are going to a bowl game for the first time in five years. They actually finished 4th in the overall ACC standings, ahead of teams like Clemson, North Carolina and Miami. So feasting on SC seems like more of a feast than feasting on Georgia Tech, IMO.

Which raises the question, "Can you be a Beamer if your light don't shine?"

According to Matt Mitchell, it was 5-5.

(11-28-2023 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 07:19 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 06:13 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Two of those six ACC wins were against South Carolina. The Gamecocks had a tough schedule and a less than stellar season that revealed offensive and defensive shortcomings along with some other recruitment and conditioning development needs. The team was generally not necessarily bad, but were mediocre, delivering disappointing overall result.

With a third of the ACC’s 6 wins vs SEC opponents are against one “down” school, suggesting this renders ACC football a position of overall superiority to the SEC is absurd. These games were not random or balanced matching.

If the perhaps fantasy argument one is trying to make is that ACC football is indeed superior, use better and more extensive data that exist, to try to prove the assumption.

two of the SEC wins were against a Georgia Tech team...... GT has been a down team since Clown Collins took over.... so we can take USCe and GT out of it and the ACC has 4 wins and the SEC has 2.....slice it anyway you want it....

South Carolina didn't do anything in the SEC, they were 3-5 in the league and finished with a losing record. They finished fifth out of seven teams in the weaker SEC East.

In contrast, Georgia Tech was a mild surprise in the ACC, going 5-3, and they are going to a bowl game for the first time in five years. They actually finished 4th in the overall ACC standings, ahead of teams like Clemson, North Carolina and Miami. So feasting on SC seems like more of a feast than feasting on Georgia Tech, IMO.

Good, maybe that will help keep Beamer/South Carolina the heck out of the DMV recruiting grounds. The Gamecocks success with local top talent these past few years has really irked me

The ACC would look better if half of the conference didn't routinely schedule non-conference games either losing @ G5 games or P5 games where they're double digit dogs.

(11-28-2023 05:25 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  You don’t win a game against even the worst SEC team if you up give 31 points in a half, blow a 10 point second half lead and fumble the ball…twice. Losing that way would suck but getting screwed over in your own house is unacceptable.

Kentucky came into the game averaging 7 penalties a game. The SEC crew that did the game in Louisville threw ZERO flags against them.

Name the last P5 game you watched where one team got zero flags.

We got jobbed so The SEC could keep Alabama in the hunt for a CFP spot. Simple plan….

A UK win against Louisville drops FSU’s championship game opponent enough to make it even harder for FSU to hold on to the #4 spot in CFP. If Alabama beats Georgia they jump FSU and the SEC gets two teams in.

Just a couple examples of what the SEC officials allowed to go on without calling…

It’s all about money now. The WWE has nothing on college football.

Sounds like the 2010 Sugar Bowl where Ohio State got to play ineligible players due to a cooked scheme to serve their suspension for the next season. Then they played three quarters without one penalty despite the worst holding and OPI I had seen. It was later vacated, but so what, money was made. Arkansas blowing them out would have hurt the bottom line.

(11-28-2023 09:56 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 08:22 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 07:19 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(11-28-2023 06:13 AM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  Two of those six ACC wins were against South Carolina. The Gamecocks had a tough schedule and a less than stellar season that revealed offensive and defensive shortcomings along with some other recruitment and conditioning development needs. The team was generally not necessarily bad, but were mediocre, delivering disappointing overall result.

With a third of the ACC’s 6 wins vs SEC opponents are against one “down” school, suggesting this renders ACC football a position of overall superiority to the SEC is absurd. These games were not random or balanced matching.

If the perhaps fantasy argument one is trying to make is that ACC football is indeed superior, use better and more extensive data that exist, to try to prove the assumption.

two of the SEC wins were against a Georgia Tech team...... GT has been a down team since Clown Collins took over.... so we can take USCe and GT out of it and the ACC has 4 wins and the SEC has 2.....slice it anyway you want it....

South Carolina didn't do anything in the SEC, they were 3-5 in the league and finished with a losing record. They finished fifth out of seven teams in the weaker SEC East.

In contrast, Georgia Tech was a mild surprise in the ACC, going 5-3, and they are going to a bowl game for the first time in five years. They actually finished 4th in the overall ACC standings, ahead of teams like Clemson, North Carolina and Miami. So feasting on SC seems like more of a feast than feasting on Georgia Tech, IMO.

Which raises the question, "Can you be a Beamer if your light don't shine?"

Recruiting is much better for 2024 for SC; they really need it. A common impression among knowledgeable fans, is that Beamer is more focused on being chummy and popular with his players rather than being a no -nonsense disciplinarian.

Maybe Jadeveon Clowney left a very lasting impression. Though an outstanding, hard-hitting player years back (2011-2013) now with the Ravens, he was known “to take plays off” not so infrequent.

(11-28-2023 03:34 PM)bronconick Wrote:  The ACC would look better if half of the conference didn't routinely schedule non-conference games either losing @ G5 games or P5 games where they're double digit dogs.

I know GT losing to Bowling Green, NIU and the Citadel in recent years is embarrassing. I am hoping those are in the rear view mirror!

(11-28-2023 03:34 PM)bronconick Wrote:  The ACC would look better if half of the conference didn't routinely schedule non-conference games either losing @ G5 games or P5 games where they're double digit dogs.

^^^ THIS ^^^

(and my team has been guilty of it, too)

(11-26-2023 06:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 02:40 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Interesting that the Big Ten and SEC played no games vs. each other this season.

They were both too busy beating up on G5 teams. Going 44-3 (plus 21-0 vs FCS teams) will do wonders for your win %. Whereas going a combined 13-17 against P5 teams tarnishes the old reputation a bit. Can't have too much of that.

The B1G, unlike the ACC and SEC, play 9 conference games, limiting the number of OOC games to three each.

Of those 21 FCS games, only 7 were B1G - every SEC team played an FCS, only 7 B1G

B1G averaged 10 P5 games Only two SEC schools (Florida and So Carolina played two P5 OOC (and lost both)

SEC went 6-10 vs other P5, and lost two G5 (vs 1 for B1G)

(11-29-2023 07:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 06:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 02:40 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Interesting that the Big Ten and SEC played no games vs. each other this season.

They were both too busy beating up on G5 teams. Going 44-3 (plus 21-0 vs FCS teams) will do wonders for your win %. Whereas going a combined 13-17 against P5 teams tarnishes the old reputation a bit. Can't have too much of that.

The B1G, unlike the ACC and SEC, play 9 conference games, limiting the number of OOC games to three each.

Of those 21 FCS games, only 7 were B1G - every SEC team played an FCS, only 7 B1G

B1G averaged 10 P5 games Only two SEC schools (Florida and So Carolina played two P5 OOC (and lost both)

SEC went 6-10 vs other P5, and lost two G5 (vs 1 for B1G)

Yeah, I don't think wins over FCS should even count - but they do.

BTW, the ACC was 4-3 vs B1G.

ACC Wins
1. Duke 38, Northwestern 14
2. Louisville 21, Indiana 14
3. North Carolina 31, Minnesota 13
4. Syracuse 35, Purdue 20

ACC Losses
1. Virginia Tech 17, Purdue 24
2. Virginia 14, Maryland 42
3. Virginia Tech 16, Rutgers 35

More to come in bowl season for ACC, SEC, and B1G.

(11-29-2023 08:43 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 07:04 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 06:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-26-2023 02:40 PM)schmolik Wrote:  Interesting that the Big Ten and SEC played no games vs. each other this season.

They were both too busy beating up on G5 teams. Going 44-3 (plus 21-0 vs FCS teams) will do wonders for your win %. Whereas going a combined 13-17 against P5 teams tarnishes the old reputation a bit. Can't have too much of that.

The B1G, unlike the ACC and SEC, play 9 conference games, limiting the number of OOC games to three each.

Of those 21 FCS games, only 7 were B1G - every SEC team played an FCS, only 7 B1G

B1G averaged 10 P5 games Only two SEC schools (Florida and So Carolina played two P5 OOC (and lost both)

SEC went 6-10 vs other P5, and lost two G5 (vs 1 for B1G)

Yeah, I don't think wins over FCS should even count - but they do.

BTW, the ACC was 4-3 vs B1G.

ACC Wins
1. Duke 38, Northwestern 14
2. Louisville 21, Indiana 14
3. North Carolina 31, Minnesota 13
4. Syracuse 35, Purdue 20

ACC Losses
1. Virginia Tech 17, Purdue 24
2. Virginia 14, Maryland 42
3. Virginia Tech 16, Rutgers 35

More to come in bowl season for ACC, SEC, and B1G.

All tail end wins and losses. This is the whole issue with the Big 10. This year it was 3 competitive schools 2 of which were better than the third, a big rear end to the conference and what was normally a stronger middle was weaker this year than normal with Wisconsin being down, Michigan State being really flat, and Iowa a winner, but no big wins. Purdue, Indiana, and Nebraska were pretty bad. So, playing a lot of those schools padded the records of the two at the top, though kudos to Ohio State for playing Notre Dame in South Bend. The SEC's top was similar but the middle was deeper and the bottom still just really Vanderbilt and Mississippi State. Which means the 8 conference games of the SEC was still stronger than the 9 of the Big 10 where the 9th game was against a broader rump.

(11-26-2023 06:58 PM)darkdragon99 Wrote:  Kinda sad every ACC school would sell their souls to get into the SEC. Even the northern ones lol.

It’s almost as if the schools want more money. How strange…