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RE: Delaware ---> CUSA
How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?
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RE: Delaware ---> CUSA
(02-12-2024 03:29 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 02:03 PM)freshtop Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 01:21 PM)inutech Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 12:32 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  
(02-11-2024 09:43 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  The 11 teams in C-USA are:

Florida International
Jacksonville State
Liberty
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee
New Mexico State
Sam Houston
UTEP
Western Kentucky
Kennesaw State: 2024
Delaware: 2025
#12 in 2026??

Commissioner Judy MacLeod expects Conference USA to eventually expand to 12 teams as realignment continues to upheave college football and broader NCAA sports. “It all depends on who and the fit. We really feel the 10 are together, but ideally, we'd rather be at 12, probably,” MacLeod told The Athletic.

They could today invite Dallas Baptist as a whole to move up to D2. They are #12 in baseball.

What? No we couldn't.

Also why would we when we already have Dallas Baptist for baseball (what they are known for). No need to drag the rest of their sports into this.

Dallas Baptist men's basketball right now is 20-2.
Women;s soccer 14-1-4
volleyball 24-8
How is those sports degrade CUSA other sports?

College of Idaho is like 22-2 in men's basketball. But it's NAIA.

DBU's record in Div 2 is not relevant.
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(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport
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(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Right. Like the hockey schools, DBU baseball was grandfathered in before that rule took effect.
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(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Fun fact - Pretty sure they can still add a D1 woman's sport if they wanted to. There is a rule that allows schools with a grandfathered D1 team of one sex to elevate any sport of the opposite sex. This doesn't include D2 teams that play for a D1 championship. There were only like 14 schools that qualified and I don't know how many still do. Would like to find a list somewhere. Sorry for not having a specific source to cite. I can find it if anyone cares though.
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(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

Grandfathered. NCAA ByLaws specifically excluded existing single sport D1 programs from the regulation. So Johns Hopkins can keep playing D1 Lacross, and HBU D1 Baseball, etc.
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(02-12-2024 06:24 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  
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(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Right. Like the hockey schools, DBU baseball was grandfathered in before that rule took effect.

Most hockey schools are under a different rule, where if there isn't separate Division I and II championships in a sport, a Division II program can elect to compete under Division I rules.

But the grandfather clause is applied to the four Division III schools that compete in Division I hockey.
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Dallas Baptist would easily be an upgrade over any remaining D1 school but aren't they short in womens sports?
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(02-13-2024 10:21 AM)Illinoisking91 Wrote:  Dallas Baptist would easily be an upgrade over any remaining D1 school but aren't they short in womens sports?

I don't think this is the case, but even if it was, my understanding is that they are quite happy where they are.
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RE: Delaware ---> CUSA
(02-12-2024 07:16 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Fun fact - Pretty sure they can still add a D1 woman's sport if they wanted to. There is a rule that allows schools with a grandfathered D1 team of one sex to elevate any sport of the opposite sex. This doesn't include D2 teams that play for a D1 championship. There were only like 14 schools that qualified and I don't know how many still do. Would like to find a list somewhere. Sorry for not having a specific source to cite. I can find it if anyone cares though.
Dallas Baptist doesn't have a women's basketball team. That would be required if they were to go to DI.

Currently there are men's and women's teams for:

soccer
tennis
golf
track&field
cross country

men's teams only

baseball
basketball

women's teams only

volleyball
STUNT

Since STUNT is a new NCAA sport, it may have been added for Title IX reasons. There are 32 sponsoring schools for the 2024 season which just began (up from 20 in 2023) so if there is a championship it won't be divisional at first.

DBU volleyball is competitive at the DII level, but might be flattened if they tried to play at DI. DBU was the Lone Star Co-Champion, and 5 LSC teams were selected for the NCAAT. West Texas A&M, the LSC Co-Champion and tournament champion was the national runnerup.
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RE: Delaware ---> CUSA
(02-13-2024 10:51 AM)inutech Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 10:21 AM)Illinoisking91 Wrote:  Dallas Baptist would easily be an upgrade over any remaining D1 school but aren't they short in womens sports?

I don't think this is the case, but even if it was, my understanding is that they are quite happy where they are.

Out of the remaining schools that the conference could add I'm sure they are.
Don't most d2 schools say they are happy at the d2 level then jump to d1
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(02-13-2024 11:37 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 07:16 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Fun fact - Pretty sure they can still add a D1 woman's sport if they wanted to. There is a rule that allows schools with a grandfathered D1 team of one sex to elevate any sport of the opposite sex. This doesn't include D2 teams that play for a D1 championship. There were only like 14 schools that qualified and I don't know how many still do. Would like to find a list somewhere. Sorry for not having a specific source to cite. I can find it if anyone cares though.
Dallas Baptist doesn't have a women's basketball team. That would be required if they were to go to DI.

Currently there are men's and women's teams for:

soccer
tennis
golf
track&field
cross country

men's teams only

baseball
basketball

women's teams only

volleyball
STUNT

Since STUNT is a new NCAA sport, it may have been added for Title IX reasons. There are 32 sponsoring schools for the 2024 season which just began (up from 20 in 2023) so if there is a championship it won't be divisional at first.

DBU volleyball is competitive at the DII level, but might be flattened if they tried to play at DI. DBU was the Lone Star Co-Champion, and 5 LSC teams were selected for the NCAAT. West Texas A&M, the LSC Co-Champion and tournament champion was the national runnerup.

I was talking about a single sport of the opposite sex. It was somewhat off topic so I apologize for that. Basketball is excluded. This is the bylaw I was talking about https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=2955
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RE: Delaware ---> CUSA
(02-12-2024 07:16 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Fun fact - Pretty sure they can still add a D1 woman's sport if they wanted to. There is a rule that allows schools with a grandfathered D1 team of one sex to elevate any sport of the opposite sex. This doesn't include D2 teams that play for a D1 championship. There were only like 14 schools that qualified and I don't know how many still do. Would like to find a list somewhere. Sorry for not having a specific source to cite. I can find it if anyone cares though.

Beach volley bowl, bowling and men's volleyball don't have a D2 championship. They are all under D1's umbrella.
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DBU have 7 men and 7 women sports.
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Let's get this thread back on topic by noting Delaware's crap financial situation: https://udreview.com/university-freezes-...-pressure/

I am sure the faculty will get behind a travel freeze while athletes get trips to Texas and New Mexico.
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(02-13-2024 12:21 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 11:37 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 07:16 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:11 PM)lion1983 Wrote:  How are they D1 only in baseball? I thought you couldn't do that anymore?

In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Fun fact - Pretty sure they can still add a D1 woman's sport if they wanted to. There is a rule that allows schools with a grandfathered D1 team of one sex to elevate any sport of the opposite sex. This doesn't include D2 teams that play for a D1 championship. There were only like 14 schools that qualified and I don't know how many still do. Would like to find a list somewhere. Sorry for not having a specific source to cite. I can find it if anyone cares though.
Dallas Baptist doesn't have a women's basketball team. That would be required if they were to go to DI.

Currently there are men's and women's teams for:

soccer
tennis
golf
track&field
cross country

men's teams only

baseball
basketball

women's teams only

volleyball
STUNT

Since STUNT is a new NCAA sport, it may have been added for Title IX reasons. There are 32 sponsoring schools for the 2024 season which just began (up from 20 in 2023) so if there is a championship it won't be divisional at first.

DBU volleyball is competitive at the DII level, but might be flattened if they tried to play at DI. DBU was the Lone Star Co-Champion, and 5 LSC teams were selected for the NCAAT. West Texas A&M, the LSC Co-Champion and tournament champion was the national runnerup.

I was talking about a single sport of the opposite sex. It was somewhat off topic so I apologize for that. Basketball is excluded. This is the bylaw I was talking about https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=2955
Golf

Augusta
Francis Marion

Augusta also has a women's golf team playing DI

Wrestling

Bloomsburg
Clarion
Edinboro
Lock Haven
Franklin & Marshall (DIII)

Lock Haven has women's field hockey team playing DI. At one time, the DII champion individuals qualified for the DI championship. This might be why these schools have decided to play up.

Lacrosse

Johns Hopkins (DIII)

Johns Hopkins also have a women's lacrosse team playing up. Both are affiliated with the B1G. Because of Maryland, the B1G is a power conference.

Ice Hockey

I've only included DIII programs, since DII can play in the National Championship (DI) since there is no DII championship. If they have a women's team they can play up for the same reason.

Clarkson (DIII)
Colorado College (DIII)
RPI (DIII)
RIT (DIII)
St. Lawrence (DIII)
Union (DIII)

All but CC have a women's ice hockey team. CC has a women's soccer team playing in the Mountain West.

Baseball

Dallas Baptist

It might be almost mandatory for DIII schools to have a men's and women's team playing DI for Title IX reasons. At the DII level it is less critical since DII has athletic scholarships. Since the both gender rule is relatively new, they might not see the advantage of upgrading to be competitive in the sport and finding a conference home for the DI school.

Hartwick (soccer) and Hobart (lacrosse) have dropped down from DI. Both were legacy programs who were playing their sport before most other schools, DI or otherwise, had heard of the sport. They might have had a hard time justifying the athletic scholarships.
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(02-15-2024 02:50 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(02-13-2024 12:21 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  ...
(02-12-2024 07:16 PM)nodak651 Wrote:  
(02-12-2024 06:22 PM)dbackjon Wrote:  In 2004 they could - had to go through the whole process in that sport.

Now, they can stay but no one else can join, just like the existing D3 schools that play DI in one sport

Fun fact - Pretty sure they can still add a D1 woman's sport if they wanted to. There is a rule that allows schools with a grandfathered D1 team of one sex to elevate any sport of the opposite sex. ...
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I was talking about a single sport of the opposite sex. It was somewhat off topic so I apologize for that. Basketball is excluded. This is the bylaw I was talking about https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/proposalView?id=2955

... It might be almost mandatory for DIII schools to have a men's and women's team playing DI for Title IX reasons. At the DII level it is less critical since DII has athletic scholarships. Since the both gender rule is relatively new, they might not see the advantage of upgrading to be competitive in the sport and finding a conference home for the DI school. ...

Yes, the "matching sport" rule allows the DIII schools with one men's DI sport to have a title IX offset.

At the DII level, it's simpler for Baptist to spread the extra scholarships across their women sports.
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