(02-28-2024 04:41 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Funny as App and GaSo desperately wanted in the CUSA in 2010-2011. To the point of begging. Got told to pound sand.

As most non-large urban public schools were likely told at the time. Now some of those that left App and Southern behind would love to be in a conference with them.

Nobody likes a callup.

(02-28-2024 05:32 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:41 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Funny as App and GaSo desperately wanted in the CUSA in 2010-2011. To the point of begging. Got told to pound sand.

As most non-large urban public schools were likely told at the time. Now some of those that left App and Southern behind would love to be in a conference with them.

Nobody likes a callup.

The other thing about that is who was making those decisions. Darn near all the schools with input on that are gone. Tech fans were just happy to get invited (and really needed a landing place - it just turned out to be a perfect one) but I think at least on the fan side, we'd have preferred the schools with history like App and GSU to ODU or UNC-C.

(02-28-2024 04:41 PM)Yosef Himself Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Funny as App and GaSo desperately wanted in the CUSA in 2010-2011. To the point of begging. Got told to pound sand.

The trajectories of the SBC and CUSA can be traced back to that decision by CUSA. It's unlikely that Coastal, JMU, ODU, and Marshall enter the SBC without App there first, and App doesn't go there if accepted by CUSA.

CUSA turning down Appalachian State and then accepting a school who, at that time, only had plans for a football team (UNC Charlotte) should've been a red flag, but Western Kentucky still decided to move from the SBC to CUSA after that.

(02-28-2024 05:27 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:59 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 03:15 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 02:46 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  “Bloat the G5”? Oh god dude.

The Group of Five is a nonentity. It’s a made up name for the have-nots of CFB that what to pretend they’re big time and feel included. You’re getting casted to the wayside by the powers that be whether CUSA has 20 teams or none at all.

As a fan of a school that just joined a league built on the success for recent FCS callups, one would think you’d understand the rationale behind it… or at least consider that things as they stand now will not be how things look in the future.

Successful and mediocre are two different things. Call-ups and back-fill are two different things. Judy is diluting the water with back-fill which the rest of us now have to share fruits of all our hard work with.

What exactly does SHSU bring to the G5 table, how does your school being here benefit the rest of us?

And you’ve determined that the schools who’ve been called up, two-three of whom have yet to complete a single transition year, are “mediocre G5 members”… whatever that is… how?

SHSU being FBS doesn’t benefit Marshall, or the Sun Belt, or the MAC? It bring benefits to Conference USA, or its business partners and leadership determined it will. It doesn’t and shouldn’t benefit “the rest of us”. The Group of Five isn’t a conference or a real group, it’s a made up name for the band of quasi-FCS tweener schools. Be real.

These moves aren’t made with anyone other than the conference and school in mind.

None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Because most were mediocre in FCS. You think MoState and Tartleton along with Kenneysauw are gonna light the world on fire? They can barely get 7k in their stands on Saturday!

No, I don’t. I don’t think they’ll be much different from *take your pick of random southern AAC/SBC/CUSA school* though.

But to be fair, I never expected Coastal Carolina or ULM to light the world on fire, yet those schools have built reputable FBS programs… wait

These moves are no different than what your favorite conference did for years. Self preservation. The G5 doesn’t exist, and it won’t even in theory soon enough.

You're adding 5 at one time (3 year period) all into one conference. Good luck getting 7k in that high school stadium of yours. I'm sure WKU can't wait to play there. You don't think they're second guessing everything right about now?

(02-29-2024 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:27 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:59 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 03:15 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Successful and mediocre are two different things. Call-ups and back-fill are two different things. Judy is diluting the water with back-fill which the rest of us now have to share fruits of all our hard work with.

What exactly does SHSU bring to the G5 table, how does your school being here benefit the rest of us?

And you’ve determined that the schools who’ve been called up, two-three of whom have yet to complete a single transition year, are “mediocre G5 members”… whatever that is… how?

SHSU being FBS doesn’t benefit Marshall, or the Sun Belt, or the MAC? It bring benefits to Conference USA, or its business partners and leadership determined it will. It doesn’t and shouldn’t benefit “the rest of us”. The Group of Five isn’t a conference or a real group, it’s a made up name for the band of quasi-FCS tweener schools. Be real.

These moves aren’t made with anyone other than the conference and school in mind.

None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Because most were mediocre in FCS. You think MoState and Tartleton along with Kenneysauw are gonna light the world on fire? They can barely get 7k in their stands on Saturday!

No, I don’t. I don’t think they’ll be much different from *take your pick of random southern AAC/SBC/CUSA school* though.

But to be fair, I never expected Coastal Carolina or ULM to light the world on fire, yet those schools have built reputable FBS programs… wait

These moves are no different than what your favorite conference did for years. Self preservation. The G5 doesn’t exist, and it won’t even in theory soon enough.

You're adding 5 at one time (3 year period) all into one conference. Good luck getting 7k in that high school stadium of yours. I'm sure WKU can't wait to play there. WKU has been playing football since 1908, worked hard and moved up the ranks and paid their dues, all so that they get to play in the SHSU HS stadium. You don't think they're second guessing everything right about now?

Frankly, I don’t care about how WKU feels, right about now, last week, last year, or at any point in the future. With respect to WKU, they could be gone today and CUSA would retain its FBS membership, a spot at the CFP table as a non-autonomous conference, and continue to get money from ESPN and other TV partners. That’s all I care about. CUSA isn’t a family, it’s a temporary partnership like any of your beloved G5 conferences. I generally don’t care who it consists of, much less how my school impacts their feelings.

That’s not the point though.

The Sun Belt added 5 FCS programs, 2 of which were recent startups, from 2012-2015. San Marcos, Georgia State and South Alabama all included.

We’re just copying you guys… or your old rivals I guess. I’m not sure if you had this weirdo conference tribalist complex when Marshall was a C-USA member.

It’s about self-preservation. The Group of Five conferences became “watered down” decades ago. The P4 is going to break away, 40 years worths of 1-AA move ups (and others) will be back at square one, it’s happening whether Judy decides to add a 12th member or or stay at 11 or go to 18 or whatever.

Might as well do whatever is best (what the mouse wants) to ensure your chances of being secure in the future are the best they can be. These moves shouldn’t be made with Marshall or Miami OH or San Jose State in mind.

(02-29-2024 02:24 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:27 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:59 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  And you’ve determined that the schools who’ve been called up, two-three of whom have yet to complete a single transition year, are “mediocre G5 members”… whatever that is… how?

SHSU being FBS doesn’t benefit Marshall, or the Sun Belt, or the MAC? It bring benefits to Conference USA, or its business partners and leadership determined it will. It doesn’t and shouldn’t benefit “the rest of us”. The Group of Five isn’t a conference or a real group, it’s a made up name for the band of quasi-FCS tweener schools. Be real.

These moves aren’t made with anyone other than the conference and school in mind.

None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Because most were mediocre in FCS. You think MoState and Tartleton along with Kenneysauw are gonna light the world on fire? They can barely get 7k in their stands on Saturday!

No, I don’t. I don’t think they’ll be much different from *take your pick of random southern AAC/SBC/CUSA school* though.

But to be fair, I never expected Coastal Carolina or ULM to light the world on fire, yet those schools have built reputable FBS programs… wait

These moves are no different than what your favorite conference did for years. Self preservation. The G5 doesn’t exist, and it won’t even in theory soon enough.

You're adding 5 at one time (3 year period) all into one conference. Good luck getting 7k in that high school stadium of yours. I'm sure WKU can't wait to play there. WKU has been playing football since 1908, worked hard and moved up the ranks and paid their dues, all so that they get to play in the SHSU HS stadium. You don't think they're second guessing everything right about now?

Frankly, I don’t care about how WKU feels, right about now, last week, last year, or at any point in the future. With respect to WKU, they could be gone today and CUSA would retain its FBS membership, a spot at the CFP table as a non-autonomous conference, and continue to get money from ESPN and other TV partners. That’s all I care about. CUSA isn’t a family, it’s a temporary partnership like any of your beloved G5 conferences. I generally don’t care who it consists of, much less how my school impacts their feelings.

That’s not the point though.

The Sun Belt added 5 FCS programs, 2 of which were recent startups, from 2012-2015. San Marcos, Georgia State and South Alabama all included.

We’re just copying you guys… or your old rivals I guess. I’m not sure if you had this weirdo conference tribalist complex when Marshall was a C-USA member.

It’s about self-preservation. The Group of Five conferences became “watered down” decades ago. The P4 is going to break away, 40 years worths of 1-AA move ups (and others) will be back at square one, it’s happening whether Judy decides to add a 12th member or or stay at 11 or go to 18 or whatever.

Might as well do whatever is best (what the mouse wants) to ensure your chances of being secure in the future are the best they can be. These moves shouldn’t be made with Marshall or Miami OH or San Jose State in mind.

Yes, it's been fairly commonplace in the G5since the CFP era began at least.

(02-29-2024 02:24 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:27 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:59 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:35 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  And you’ve determined that the schools who’ve been called up, two-three of whom have yet to complete a single transition year, are “mediocre G5 members”… whatever that is… how?

SHSU being FBS doesn’t benefit Marshall, or the Sun Belt, or the MAC? It bring benefits to Conference USA, or its business partners and leadership determined it will. It doesn’t and shouldn’t benefit “the rest of us”. The Group of Five isn’t a conference or a real group, it’s a made up name for the band of quasi-FCS tweener schools. Be real.

These moves aren’t made with anyone other than the conference and school in mind.

None of the schools that Judy (really it’s the presidents, but we’ll go with Judy) has called up have the pageantry of an App State or Georgia Southern, but they’re as worthy as most of the schools the ‘belt has called up within the past 20 years.

Because most were mediocre in FCS. You think MoState and Tartleton along with Kenneysauw are gonna light the world on fire? They can barely get 7k in their stands on Saturday!

No, I don’t. I don’t think they’ll be much different from *take your pick of random southern AAC/SBC/CUSA school* though.

But to be fair, I never expected Coastal Carolina or ULM to light the world on fire, yet those schools have built reputable FBS programs… wait

These moves are no different than what your favorite conference did for years. Self preservation. The G5 doesn’t exist, and it won’t even in theory soon enough.

You're adding 5 at one time (3 year period) all into one conference. Good luck getting 7k in that high school stadium of yours. I'm sure WKU can't wait to play there. WKU has been playing football since 1908, worked hard and moved up the ranks and paid their dues, all so that they get to play in the SHSU HS stadium. You don't think they're second guessing everything right about now?

Frankly, I don’t care about how WKU feels, right about now, last week, last year, or at any point in the future. With respect to WKU, they could be gone today and CUSA would retain its FBS membership, a spot at the CFP table as a non-autonomous conference, and continue to get money from ESPN and other TV partners. That’s all I care about. CUSA isn’t a family, it’s a temporary partnership like any of your beloved G5 conferences. I generally don’t care who it consists of, much less how my school impacts their feelings.

That’s not the point though.

The Sun Belt added 5 FCS programs, 2 of which were recent startups, from 2012-2015. San Marcos, Georgia State and South Alabama all included.

We’re just copying you guys… or your old rivals I guess. I’m not sure if you had this weirdo conference tribalist complex when Marshall was a C-USA member.

It’s about self-preservation. The Group of Five conferences became “watered down” decades ago. The P4 is going to break away, 40 years worths of 1-AA move ups (and others) will be back at square one, it’s happening whether Judy decides to add a 12th member or or stay at 11 or go to 18 or whatever.

Might as well do whatever is best (what the mouse wants) to ensure your chances of being secure in the future are the best they can be. These moves shouldn’t be made with Marshall or Miami OH or San Jose State in mind.

You should care. WKU, MTSU, UTEP and LaTEch are gambling on you and babysitting you and giving you money you haven't earned hoping and praying that you'll be a contributor and not like UNT and Charlotte, FIU, etc. that never accomplish anything and live off of the coattails of the schools in the conference that actually accomplish something. So they are gambling that you won't be a wellfare school and that you'll actually contribute. That's why you should care what WKU and the others think.

(02-29-2024 02:43 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:24 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:27 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 04:59 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  Because most were mediocre in FCS. You think MoState and Tartleton along with Kenneysauw are gonna light the world on fire? They can barely get 7k in their stands on Saturday!

No, I don’t. I don’t think they’ll be much different from *take your pick of random southern AAC/SBC/CUSA school* though.

But to be fair, I never expected Coastal Carolina or ULM to light the world on fire, yet those schools have built reputable FBS programs… wait

These moves are no different than what your favorite conference did for years. Self preservation. The G5 doesn’t exist, and it won’t even in theory soon enough.

You're adding 5 at one time (3 year period) all into one conference. Good luck getting 7k in that high school stadium of yours. I'm sure WKU can't wait to play there. WKU has been playing football since 1908, worked hard and moved up the ranks and paid their dues, all so that they get to play in the SHSU HS stadium. You don't think they're second guessing everything right about now?

Frankly, I don’t care about how WKU feels, right about now, last week, last year, or at any point in the future. With respect to WKU, they could be gone today and CUSA would retain its FBS membership, a spot at the CFP table as a non-autonomous conference, and continue to get money from ESPN and other TV partners. That’s all I care about. CUSA isn’t a family, it’s a temporary partnership like any of your beloved G5 conferences. I generally don’t care who it consists of, much less how my school impacts their feelings.

That’s not the point though.

The Sun Belt added 5 FCS programs, 2 of which were recent startups, from 2012-2015. San Marcos, Georgia State and South Alabama all included.

We’re just copying you guys… or your old rivals I guess. I’m not sure if you had this weirdo conference tribalist complex when Marshall was a C-USA member.

It’s about self-preservation. The Group of Five conferences became “watered down” decades ago. The P4 is going to break away, 40 years worths of 1-AA move ups (and others) will be back at square one, it’s happening whether Judy decides to add a 12th member or or stay at 11 or go to 18 or whatever.

Might as well do whatever is best (what the mouse wants) to ensure your chances of being secure in the future are the best they can be. These moves shouldn’t be made with Marshall or Miami OH or San Jose State in mind.

You should care. WKU, MTSU, UTEP and LaTEch are gambling on you and babysitting you and giving you money you haven't earned hoping and praying that you'll be a contributor and not like UNT and Charlotte, FIU, etc. that never accomplish anything and live off of the coattails of the schools in the conference that actually accomplish something. So they are gambling that you won't be a wellfare school and that you'll actually contribute. That's why you should care what WKU and the others think.

Sorry, I don’t. Probably because we hold the exact same seat at the exact same table as Western Kentucky.

My school is entitled to the same media payout as established members.

My school receives the same cut of NCAA distributions earned by the league.

My school gets as much say in membership-at this point-as established members. And, by the way… so does Western Kentucky.

My school remains in that same seat (and even gets a little bit more money) regardless of what a regional public school in Bowling Green, Kentucky does.

They’re not babysitting anyone, they’re equal partners. So we should cater to their feelings… why? Your explanation was ******, sorry, it came off as a tantrum about stuff that happened a decade ago, or something.

Because they’ve been FBS a while? Because they were really really nice and invited us? Because CSNBBS poster “GreenBison” has seen them on TV more and heard more about them so they make things better? Because, having been passed up by countless conferences countless times, they just bring such irreplaceable value? Oh, the horror playing Eastern Kentucky and McNeese State instead of Western Kentucky and Louisiana Tech! That wouldn’t be anything like the last hundred years of my team’s history.

Keep dodging the point. CUSA is simply doing what the Sun Belt did, to the best of their abilities. If you, as a fan, are upset that these schools who you feel are less deserving have been elevated to your school’s/conference’s level (whichever it is you care more about), then I understand that. But if you’re complaining about FBS schools number #131, #132 and #133 watering things down, so concerned about the health and wellness of the glorious Group of Have-No… I mean Five, then I think you should look on down the line and potentially in the mirror.

(02-29-2024 02:35 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:24 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  Frankly, I don’t care about how WKU feels, right about now, last week, last year, or at any point in the future. With respect to WKU, they could be gone today and CUSA would retain its FBS membership, a spot at the CFP table as a non-autonomous conference, and continue to get money from ESPN and other TV partners. That’s all I care about. CUSA isn’t a family, it’s a temporary partnership like any of your beloved G5 conferences. I generally don’t care who it consists of, much less how my school impacts their feelings.

That’s not the point though.

The Sun Belt added 5 FCS programs, 2 of which were recent startups, from 2012-2015. San Marcos, Georgia State and South Alabama all included.

We’re just copying you guys… or your old rivals I guess. I’m not sure if you had this weirdo conference tribalist complex when Marshall was a C-USA member.

It’s about self-preservation. The Group of Five conferences became “watered down” decades ago. The P4 is going to break away, 40 years worths of 1-AA move ups (and others) will be back at square one, it’s happening whether Judy decides to add a 12th member or or stay at 11 or go to 18 or whatever.

Might as well do whatever is best (what the mouse wants) to ensure your chances of being secure in the future are the best they can be. These moves shouldn’t be made with Marshall or Miami OH or San Jose State in mind.

Yes, it's been fairly commonplace in the G5since the CFP era began at least.

The CFP is directly responsible for it. If we all had a CFP auto-bid for our champion, most of us (including me) wouldn't care about how the other conferences are doing.

(02-29-2024 04:20 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:43 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 02:24 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 11:30 AM)GreenBison Wrote:  

(02-28-2024 05:27 PM)EatEmUp11 Wrote:  No, I don’t. I don’t think they’ll be much different from *take your pick of random southern AAC/SBC/CUSA school* though.

But to be fair, I never expected Coastal Carolina or ULM to light the world on fire, yet those schools have built reputable FBS programs… wait

These moves are no different than what your favorite conference did for years. Self preservation. The G5 doesn’t exist, and it won’t even in theory soon enough.

You're adding 5 at one time (3 year period) all into one conference. Good luck getting 7k in that high school stadium of yours. I'm sure WKU can't wait to play there. WKU has been playing football since 1908, worked hard and moved up the ranks and paid their dues, all so that they get to play in the SHSU HS stadium. You don't think they're second guessing everything right about now?

Frankly, I don’t care about how WKU feels, right about now, last week, last year, or at any point in the future. With respect to WKU, they could be gone today and CUSA would retain its FBS membership, a spot at the CFP table as a non-autonomous conference, and continue to get money from ESPN and other TV partners. That’s all I care about. CUSA isn’t a family, it’s a temporary partnership like any of your beloved G5 conferences. I generally don’t care who it consists of, much less how my school impacts their feelings.

That’s not the point though.

The Sun Belt added 5 FCS programs, 2 of which were recent startups, from 2012-2015. San Marcos, Georgia State and South Alabama all included.

We’re just copying you guys… or your old rivals I guess. I’m not sure if you had this weirdo conference tribalist complex when Marshall was a C-USA member.

It’s about self-preservation. The Group of Five conferences became “watered down” decades ago. The P4 is going to break away, 40 years worths of 1-AA move ups (and others) will be back at square one, it’s happening whether Judy decides to add a 12th member or or stay at 11 or go to 18 or whatever.

Might as well do whatever is best (what the mouse wants) to ensure your chances of being secure in the future are the best they can be. These moves shouldn’t be made with Marshall or Miami OH or San Jose State in mind.

You should care. WKU, MTSU, UTEP and LaTEch are gambling on you and babysitting you and giving you money you haven't earned hoping and praying that you'll be a contributor and not like UNT and Charlotte, FIU, etc. that never accomplish anything and live off of the coattails of the schools in the conference that actually accomplish something. So they are gambling that you won't be a wellfare school and that you'll actually contribute. That's why you should care what WKU and the others think.

Sorry, I don’t. Probably because we hold the exact same seat at the exact same table as Western Kentucky.

My school is entitled to the same media payout as established members.

My school receives the same cut of NCAA distributions earned by the league.

My school gets as much say in membership-at this point-as established members. And, by the way… so does Western Kentucky.

My school remains in that same seat (and even gets a little bit more money) regardless of what a regional public school in Bowling Green, Kentucky does.

They’re not babysitting anyone, they’re equal partners. So we should cater to their feelings… why? Your explanation was ******, sorry, it came off as a tantrum about stuff that happened a decade ago, or something.

Because they’ve been FBS a while? Because they were really really nice and invited us? Because CSNBBS poster “GreenBison” has seen them on TV more and heard more about them so they make things better? Because, having been passed up by countless conferences countless times, they just bring such irreplaceable value? Oh, the horror playing Eastern Kentucky and McNeese State instead of Western Kentucky and Louisiana Tech! That wouldn’t be anything like the last hundred years of my team’s history.

Keep dodging the point. CUSA is simply doing what the Sun Belt did, to the best of their abilities. If you, as a fan, are upset that these schools who you feel are less deserving have been elevated to your school’s/conference’s level (whichever it is you care more about), then I understand that. But if you’re complaining about FBS schools number #131, #132 and #133 watering things down, so concerned about the health and wellness of the glorious Group of Have-No… I mean Five, then I think you should look on down the line and potentially in the mirror.

Looks like the G5 and CUSA are lucky to have SHSU and the other two schools I've never heard of. Can't wait to see you dominate next year.