Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Why are they going Woke? Is there data showing different outcomes?

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Found your problem

(11-29-2023 09:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Why are they going Woke? Is there data showing different outcomes?

I'm an late 80s and early 90s kid who went to public schools. I bought into and still do idealize the whole "judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin" way of living. Being with and around all kinds of different looking people this has worked well. Wokism seeks to look at everything throught the lens of inherent racial groups and differences and address the differences not on an individual basis but on group racial, ethic, or other group designations seeking to equalize outcomes not of individuals, but groups a whole. That practice doesn't not lead to programs that treat people as individuals but rather a black, white, or whatever nameless number. and seeks to satisfy the groups outcomes and not the individuals. It's a regressive philosophy backt o tribal survivsl and prejudice.

My dad died of cancer a few years ago before the age of 60 and seeing any of his grandchilden after a short three year battle. He was white. How was his outcome? If he could have made it 65 he would have met his grandchildren and seen his beloved green wave in the cotton bowl with me and his grandson. No he had three painful year of chemo on and off and them passed. Perhaps a better way to address poor cancer outcomes to address all the cancer outcomes that aren't improving or were people are lost to soon no matter their skin color.

(11-29-2023 09:52 PM)Poseidon Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Why are they going Woke? Is there data showing different outcomes?

I'm an late 80s and early 90s kid who went to public schools. I bought into and still do idealize the whole "judge a person by the content of their character not the color of their skin" way of living. Being with and around all kinds of different looking people this has worked well. Wokism seeks to look at everything throught the lens of inherent racial groups and differences and address the differences not on an individual basis but on group racial, ethic, or other group designations seeking to equalize outcomes not of individuals, but groups a whole. That practice doesn't not lead to programs that treat people as individuals but rather a black, white, or whatever nameless number. and seeks to satisfy the groups outcomes and not the individuals. It's a regressive philosophy backt o tribal survivsl and prejudice.

My dad died of cancer a few years ago before the age of 60 and seeing any of his grandchilden after a short three year battle. He was white. How was his outcome? If he could have made it 65 he would have met his grandchildren and seen his beloved green wave in the cotton bowl with me and his grandson. No he had three painful year of chemo on and off and them passed. Perhaps a better way to address poor cancer outcomes to address all the cancer outcomes that aren't improving or were people are lost to soon no matter their skin color.

Completely agree. My dad died of cancer. My point is that if there is actual data showing that there are different outcomes because of race, then how is that Woke?
I’m tired of people using the word Woke from both sides when talking about things they disagree.

(11-29-2023 09:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Why are they going Woke? Is there data showing different outcomes?

Because all lives matter.

If there are disparities in outcomes and the whole point of ESPN's PSA is to make that known then it is incumbent on them to make that a key part of their message.

Actually stating that black American men have a worse cancer survival rate than men of other backgrounds is kind of key if that's their intent. Again, if that is true and they are trying to convey that, they should say it explicitly.

These people are in professional media selling a narrative, they do this for a living every day, they know exactly what they're doing when they put together a PSA and leave out the specific information that's needed for the audience to put it in the proper context.

It wasn't meant to inform

(11-29-2023 10:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Why are they going Woke? Is there data showing different outcomes?

Because all lives matter.

Yes they do and if there are some that are having worse outcomes that can be fixed it should be addressed. We should strive for everyone to have great outcomes.

But if it makes you upset and want to call it woke. Carry on.

Eye roll

(11-29-2023 10:32 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 10:25 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:23 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 09:01 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Direct quote from an ESPN promo during the Nova-A&M Basketball game on ESPN2 now.

Even the cancer warriors have gone woke.

Why are they going Woke? Is there data showing different outcomes?

Because all lives matter.

Yes they do and if there are some that are having worse outcomes that can be fixed it should be addressed. We should strive for everyone to have great outcomes.

According to the CDC: “Leading risk factors for preventable cancers are smoking, getting too much ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun or tanning beds, being overweight or having obesity, and drinking too much alcohol.”

None of those factors have anything to do with race, but instead with behavior. Everyone would have better outcomes with healthier behavior. Let’s focus on that rather than promoting a false virtue signaling narrative which will actually harm more Blacks because it does not address the real problem.

Mods, I inadvertently posted this here. It more appropriately belongs on the political board. Feel free to move.

(11-29-2023 10:48 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(11-29-2023 10:32 PM)Cubanbull1 Wrote:  Yes they do and if there are some that are having worse outcomes that can be fixed it should be addressed. We should strive for everyone to have great outcomes.

According to the CDC: “Leading risk factors for preventable cancers are smoking, getting too much ultraviolet (UV) radiation from the sun or tanning beds, being overweight or having obesity, and drinking too much alcohol.”

None of those factors have anything to do with race, but instead with behavior. Everyone would have better outcomes with healthier behavior. Let’s focus on that rather than promoting a false virtue signaling narrative which will actually harm more Blacks because it dos not address the real problem.

I haven't reviewed any research and don't have a dog in this fight, but what you posted is completely irrelevant in the context of this thread. Prevention is all well and good, but the quote specifically references outcomes which is what happens after you've been diagnosed.