(12-04-2023 07:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 07:17 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 10:28 AM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:10 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:11 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Sacramento St.
Montana
Montana St.
Idaho
North Dakota
North Dakota St.
South Dakota
South Dakota St.
UTEP
NMSU

Could keep the MWC alive if they wanted and we have a G6 lol.

With the imminent demise of the Pac 12, and the fall of the WAC in 2012(ish), we have seen two FBS conferences dissapear from the West, giving less and less options for teams to get in to the FBS from the west. Whereas even mediocre eastern/Southeastern schools get an invite to the big boys.

It is time a new Western FBS conference is made like the Snow Belt (best name).

I'd take out UND and USD and add in Cali schools and Weber. And also UNI and Mo St. if they were interested.

North-West
Montana
Montana St.
Idaho
Weber St. (good basketball, decent facilities)

Mid-West
North Dakota St.
South Dakota St.
Northern Iowa
Missouri St.

West
Sacramento St.
UC Davis

South-West
UTEP
NMSU

possible future additions:
Cal Poly, Eastern Washington (once they get a decent stadium and finances in order)

This would immediately be a competitive G6 conference.

You removed UND & USD but have EWU as possible future addition? Not logical.

You've already got the Dakotas covered with NDSU and SDSU. UND and USD don't bring in any extra media market, fan support or facilities. Don't get me wrong, they're not horrible options, but I think there are better options still on the board.

EWU gets you a slice of the Washington market, plus a natural rival to Idaho (and OOC rival to WSU and Gonzaga). Their fan support and facilities are pretty woeful so they'd need to improve things before they get in.

I could see NAU getting an invite before USD and UND once they improve fan support and facilities.

1. I don’t think NDSU/SDSU can be convinced without UND/USD.
2. The Dakotas bring about zero markets.
3. NAU goes way back in the Big Sky and wouldn’t be left out.

If you're constructing a Snowbelt conference, you're doing it wrong if you're using "markets" as the basis for any decision making.

NAU has a bigger problem: it has an indoor stadium that only has a capacity of 11,230. Even without any attendance rules, that's a pretty limiting factor on the ability to generate revenue.

(12-04-2023 07:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 07:17 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 10:28 AM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:10 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 08:11 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  Sacramento St.
Montana
Montana St.
Idaho
North Dakota
North Dakota St.
South Dakota
South Dakota St.
UTEP
NMSU

Could keep the MWC alive if they wanted and we have a G6 lol.

With the imminent demise of the Pac 12, and the fall of the WAC in 2012(ish), we have seen two FBS conferences dissapear from the West, giving less and less options for teams to get in to the FBS from the west. Whereas even mediocre eastern/Southeastern schools get an invite to the big boys.

It is time a new Western FBS conference is made like the Snow Belt (best name).

I'd take out UND and USD and add in Cali schools and Weber. And also UNI and Mo St. if they were interested.

North-West
Montana
Montana St.
Idaho
Weber St. (good basketball, decent facilities)

Mid-West
North Dakota St.
South Dakota St.
Northern Iowa
Missouri St.

West
Sacramento St.
UC Davis

South-West
UTEP
NMSU

possible future additions:
Cal Poly, Eastern Washington (once they get a decent stadium and finances in order)

This would immediately be a competitive G6 conference.

You removed UND & USD but have EWU as possible future addition? Not logical.

You've already got the Dakotas covered with NDSU and SDSU. UND and USD don't bring in any extra media market, fan support or facilities. Don't get me wrong, they're not horrible options, but I think there are better options still on the board.

EWU gets you a slice of the Washington market, plus a natural rival to Idaho (and OOC rival to WSU and Gonzaga). Their fan support and facilities are pretty woeful so they'd need to improve things before they get in.

I could see NAU getting an invite before USD and UND once they improve fan support and facilities.

1. I don’t think NDSU/SDSU can be convinced without UND/USD.
2. The Dakotas bring about zero markets.
3. NAU goes way back in the Big Sky and wouldn’t be left out.

1. As UtGriz said, NDSU and SDSU hhave left behind their state counterparts many times before, and there were rumours that NDSU were vehemently opposed to UND joining them in the MVFC (UND were Big West, Indy and Big sky previously).

2. Not sure how adding more zero markets helps then???

3. Like I said, NAU has some upside, but their dome is very small and not great. If they got that facility upgraded / knocked down rebuilt then they would be in the convo.

(12-04-2023 07:51 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  SDSU and NDSU left them behind before and to move to FBS I don't see why they wouldn't again. Would give each state 1 FCS and 1 FBS team which would be a healthy balance.

I already touched on the easiest way for the Montanas and Dakota State schools to move up would be if the MWC was only partially poached. The 2nd easiest would be IF the entire MWC merges with the PAC2 and IF the Mountain West Conference, bowl tie ins, ex. could be purchased. If possible I'd like to see this as a Conference. **Divisions as an Example**

NORTH:

Montana
MSU
Idaho
NDSU
SDSU
UNI

(STATES: MT, ID, ND, SD, IA)

SOUTH

NAU
UTEP
NMSU
Missouri State
McNeese
Tarleton State

(STATES: AZ, NM, TX, LA, MO)

All of these teams on this list have the facilities (outside some expansion needed for a few cases) to make the move or have shown desire and effort to move up (see Tarleton State).

Personally, I think it would be a pretty awesome conference with a variety of States, FCS historical and current Blue Bloods and some well located FBS schools.

I like this, although I think Weber St. deserves to be in based on their basketball and the purple palace alone.

But regardless of the final makeup, considering there are now two less FBS conferences in the west, surely there is a case for a new conference to be created? It certainly isnt fair that there are no options for growing schools in the west. But I guess fairness doesn't mean much when it comes to FBS schools protecting their CFP money. Sad.

(12-04-2023 10:20 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 07:51 PM)Utgrizfan Wrote:  SDSU and NDSU left them behind before and to move to FBS I don't see why they wouldn't again. Would give each state 1 FCS and 1 FBS team which would be a healthy balance.

I already touched on the easiest way for the Montanas and Dakota State schools to move up would be if the MWC was only partially poached. The 2nd easiest would be IF the entire MWC merges with the PAC2 and IF the Mountain West Conference, bowl tie ins, ex. could be purchased. If possible I'd like to see this as a Conference. **Divisions as an Example**

NORTH:

Montana
MSU
Idaho
NDSU
SDSU
UNI

(STATES: MT, ID, ND, SD, IA)

SOUTH

NAU
UTEP
NMSU
Missouri State
McNeese
Tarleton State

(STATES: AZ, NM, TX, LA, MO)

All of these teams on this list have the facilities (outside some expansion needed for a few cases) to make the move or have shown desire and effort to move up (see Tarleton State).

Personally, I think it would be a pretty awesome conference with a variety of States, FCS historical and current Blue Bloods and some well located FBS schools.

I like this, although I think Weber St. deserves to be in based on their basketball and the purple palace alone.

But regardless of the final makeup, considering there are now two less FBS conferences in the west, surely there is a case for a new conference to be created? It certainly isnt fair that there are no options for growing schools in the west. But I guess fairness doesn't mean much when it comes to FBS schools protecting their CFP money. Sad.

Why i'm thinking the only way it's possible is if an invite is offered due to the partial poaching or taking over and filling in an existing Conference, aka the Mountain West I'd all their teams are absorbed by the PAC2.

I like Weber State but I think they would be blocked from moving up by the other in state schools. Utah already has 3 FBS programs and currently has 3 FCS programs including WSU, In particular I could see Utah State having issues letting them become FBS.

NO to the Montanas & Dakotas in FBS. Delaware moving up is already enough.

(12-04-2023 10:13 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 07:19 PM)BePcr07 Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 07:17 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  

(12-04-2023 10:28 AM)nodak651 Wrote:  

(12-03-2023 09:10 PM)captain_jazz Wrote:  With the imminent demise of the Pac 12, and the fall of the WAC in 2012(ish), we have seen two FBS conferences dissapear from the West, giving less and less options for teams to get in to the FBS from the west. Whereas even mediocre eastern/Southeastern schools get an invite to the big boys.

It is time a new Western FBS conference is made like the Snow Belt (best name).

I'd take out UND and USD and add in Cali schools and Weber. And also UNI and Mo St. if they were interested.

North-West
Montana
Montana St.
Idaho
Weber St. (good basketball, decent facilities)

Mid-West
North Dakota St.
South Dakota St.
Northern Iowa
Missouri St.

West
Sacramento St.
UC Davis

South-West
UTEP
NMSU

possible future additions:
Cal Poly, Eastern Washington (once they get a decent stadium and finances in order)

This would immediately be a competitive G6 conference.

You removed UND & USD but have EWU as possible future addition? Not logical.

You've already got the Dakotas covered with NDSU and SDSU. UND and USD don't bring in any extra media market, fan support or facilities. Don't get me wrong, they're not horrible options, but I think there are better options still on the board.

EWU gets you a slice of the Washington market, plus a natural rival to Idaho (and OOC rival to WSU and Gonzaga). Their fan support and facilities are pretty woeful so they'd need to improve things before they get in.

I could see NAU getting an invite before USD and UND once they improve fan support and facilities.

1. I don’t think NDSU/SDSU can be convinced without UND/USD.
2. The Dakotas bring about zero markets.
3. NAU goes way back in the Big Sky and wouldn’t be left out.

1. As UtGriz said, NDSU and SDSU hhave left behind their state counterparts many times before, and there were rumours that NDSU were vehemently opposed to UND joining them in the MVFC (UND were Big West, Indy and Big sky previously).

2. Not sure how adding more zero markets helps then???

3. Like I said, NAU has some upside, but their dome is very small and not great. If they got that facility upgraded / knocked down rebuilt then they would be in the convo.

It's not a zero market, per se. What I'm saying is that for leagues like ours, TV networks aren't paying out anything based on population, it's not the big ten which has it's own tv network. What matters? Having passionate fans and fans that will actually watch, and pay to watch. The Big Sky TV is basically based on riding the coattails of the Montana schools and their TV partners. The Dakota schools have strong local TV partners as well. Rather than copying Maction and the other G5 leagues with FB. A conf like the Snowbelt could leverage the strengths of schools like the Montanas and Dakotas... allow schools to make their own local deals (and keep the rev), and limit conference rights to streaming and national tv. The individual schools would get about the same money, better local coverage, and they could maintain weekend FB games. including UND and USD also gets you more rivalry games between flagship schools, which helps with TV.

(12-04-2023 08:50 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  NAU has a bigger problem: it has an indoor stadium that only has a capacity of 11,230. Even without any attendance rules, that's a pretty limiting factor on the ability to generate revenue.

The Dome is an issue, but as big as some other schools mentioned.

NAU needs a new arena first, but we just opened last year a $54 million performance center, and working on the arena.

The Montanas will always want a conference with California presence for recruiting.