I'd be willing to bet that Cig gets 8 wins and a CoY honors in his first 3 years.

He has shown some true colors in HOW he left, but there is no denying his ability to coach.

(12-14-2023 01:53 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:43 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:28 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:14 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:22 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  You literally said multiple times cig was retiring here and actually specifically said he was not going to leave for a Big Ten job, so it's kinda rich hearing this from you

BS. I never said Cig wouldn’t leave for a Big 10 job. You must have me confused with someone else.

Truth is, Cig himself said he thought he’d retire at JMU, and given his age that was a reasonable prediction. I also thought he’d retire at JMU. So did many of us. We were wrong. So what?

As for Cig leaving JMU I knew, we all knew, he wasn’t going to leave JMU for another G5. It would take an offer from a P5 school, and no blue-blood P5 would come looking for a 63 year old HC. JMU and Cig caught lightning in a bottle going 11-1 this past season. The national attention to JMU’s success, boosted by JMU hosting CGD, created the perfect environment for a needy Big 10 program with deep pockets to come calling.

So take your snarky blather elsewhere. Cig has earned his money at each stop along his coaching path. I’m disappointed JMU has lost his coaching talent, but estatic that he helped elevate JMU to a position of relevance in FBS FB.

Cited here:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19290899

You continually put down people who thought another program might take him. He did say that, but most coaches say that, and I'm sure that was his intention. I'm happy for Cig and excited for the future too, but we're always going to have the threat of a P5 stealing our coach - it's just the reality of G5 right now.

Nice cherry-pick. I fired off that post in response to being irritated at that CGD producer’s comment. Now cite all my other comments that deny we’d lose Cig.

Cig was genuinely happy at JMU. He wasn’t necessarily looking, but he (like most rational people) are open to listening to offers. That said, Cig didn’t go to MSU, wasn’t even considered at MSU that we know of…and the IU offer came out of left field after IU shelled out over $15m to can a HC.

Of course JMU will always be at risk of losing a successful coach to a program with deeper pockets. We can agree about that. It happens to virtually all programs and enterprises, college athletics to major corporations. Nothing new about this.

Well there's this one a few days later, after the rumors of interest from Indiana began, where you said as long as JMU rewards him by being the highest paid Sun Belt coach, he wouldn't leave. JMU did, he still left.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19316044

How is that even a cherry pick? You called BS and said you NEVER said that, yet low and behold, you did.

And here's another one from early on in that topic predicted if we did even better than we ended up doing this season, he still wouldn't go: https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19103991

When I looked at their 2024 schedule a couple weeks ago, I think my thought was 3 "easy" wins, 3 "maybe" wins, and 6 that would be tough to extremely improbable. If he can pull a couple JMU transfers (like Jordan), add in some of our better recruits, and bring in a few others guys...he could probably hit 6 wins next year. Not gonna be easy, but he might do it. No matter what he bolsters about, I don't think IU is going to get more than 8 wins anytime soon. But honestly, he doesn't have to. He can ride 6 or 7 win seasons for the first 4 years and get up to half a million per year pretty quickly. The fact that he gets a quarter million raise each year he makes a bowl is where early success can make a huge difference. It also boosts the pool he has for his staff, which can keep some of those guys there and not running to take their own HC job.

(12-14-2023 01:53 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:43 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:28 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:14 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 12:22 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  You literally said multiple times cig was retiring here and actually specifically said he was not going to leave for a Big Ten job, so it's kinda rich hearing this from you

BS. I never said Cig wouldn’t leave for a Big 10 job. You must have me confused with someone else.

Truth is, Cig himself said he thought he’d retire at JMU, and given his age that was a reasonable prediction. I also thought he’d retire at JMU. So did many of us. We were wrong. So what?

As for Cig leaving JMU I knew, we all knew, he wasn’t going to leave JMU for another G5. It would take an offer from a P5 school, and no blue-blood P5 would come looking for a 63 year old HC. JMU and Cig caught lightning in a bottle going 11-1 this past season. The national attention to JMU’s success, boosted by JMU hosting CGD, created the perfect environment for a needy Big 10 program with deep pockets to come calling.

So take your snarky blather elsewhere. Cig has earned his money at each stop along his coaching path. I’m disappointed JMU has lost his coaching talent, but estatic that he helped elevate JMU to a position of relevance in FBS FB.

Cited here:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19290899

You continually put down people who thought another program might take him. He did say that, but most coaches say that, and I'm sure that was his intention. I'm happy for Cig and excited for the future too, but we're always going to have the threat of a P5 stealing our coach - it's just the reality of G5 right now.

Nice cherry-pick. I fired off that post in response to being irritated at that CGD producer’s comment. Now cite all my other comments that deny we’d lose Cig.

Cig was genuinely happy at JMU. He wasn’t necessarily looking, but he (like most rational people) are open to listening to offers. That said, Cig didn’t go to MSU, wasn’t even considered at MSU that we know of…and the IU offer came out of left field after IU shelled out over $15m to can a HC.

Of course JMU will always be at risk of losing a successful coach to a program with deeper pockets. We can agree about that. It happens to virtually all programs and enterprises, college athletics to major corporations. Nothing new about this.

Well there's this one a few days later, after the rumors of interest from Indiana began, where you said as long as JMU rewards him by being the highest paid Sun Belt coach, he wouldn't leave. JMU did, he still left.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19316044

And Cig did turn IU first offer down. When money gets crazy things go crazy, and IU wasn’t prepared to take “no” as an answer.

Two stories.

First (true) story: In 1995 Microftsoft was going to release their new OS Windows95. Bill Gates wanted to use the Stones song “Start Me Up” with the ads promoting the release. The Stones had never allowed their music to be used to promote product sales, and when approached about using “Start Me Up” Jagger threw out a crazy number thinking it would dissuade Microsoft. Legend has it that the number was $14 million (or the equivalent of amount $28m today). Ultimately, negotiatings settled on $3m (or about $6 million in today’s money).

Second (anecdotal) story, often attributed to Winston Churchill or George Bernard Shaw. At a high-society event an older man asked an attractive younger woman if she would sleep with him for $1 million dollars. The woman says yes. Then the man then asks “would you sleep with me for $10 dollars?” The woman, indignantly, responds “certainly not. What kind of woman do you think I am?” The man responds “we already know what kind of woman you are. Now we’re just negotiating the price.”

Moral of both stories, everyone has a price.

LOLonghorn - never forget the "legacy lectures"

(12-14-2023 02:20 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  When I looked at their 2024 schedule a couple weeks ago, I think my thought was 3 "easy" wins, 3 "maybe" wins, and 6 that would be tough to extremely improbable. If he can pull a couple JMU transfers (like Jordan), add in some of our better recruits, and bring in a few others guys...he could probably hit 6 wins next year. Not gonna be easy, but he might do it. No matter what he bolsters about, I don't think IU is going to get more than 8 wins anytime soon. But honestly, he doesn't have to. He can ride 6 or 7 win seasons for the first 4 years and get up to half a million per year pretty quickly. The fact that he gets a quarter million raise each year he makes a bowl is where early success can make a huge difference. It also boosts the pool he has for his staff, which can keep some of those guys there and not running to take their own HC job.

I think Cig Wins 4/6 of the first 7, and 1 of the last 5. 6 wins get him a one year extension on his contract.

My best guess is we get more wins than IU next year, but I'll have a better feel come early January.

(12-14-2023 02:08 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:53 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:43 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:28 PM)For the Dukes Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:14 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  BS. I never said Cig wouldn’t leave for a Big 10 job. You must have me confused with someone else.

Truth is, Cig himself said he thought he’d retire at JMU, and given his age that was a reasonable prediction. I also thought he’d retire at JMU. So did many of us. We were wrong. So what?

As for Cig leaving JMU I knew, we all knew, he wasn’t going to leave JMU for another G5. It would take an offer from a P5 school, and no blue-blood P5 would come looking for a 63 year old HC. JMU and Cig caught lightning in a bottle going 11-1 this past season. The national attention to JMU’s success, boosted by JMU hosting CGD, created the perfect environment for a needy Big 10 program with deep pockets to come calling.

So take your snarky blather elsewhere. Cig has earned his money at each stop along his coaching path. I’m disappointed JMU has lost his coaching talent, but estatic that he helped elevate JMU to a position of relevance in FBS FB.

Cited here:
https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19290899

You continually put down people who thought another program might take him. He did say that, but most coaches say that, and I'm sure that was his intention. I'm happy for Cig and excited for the future too, but we're always going to have the threat of a P5 stealing our coach - it's just the reality of G5 right now.

Nice cherry-pick. I fired off that post in response to being irritated at that CGD producer’s comment. Now cite all my other comments that deny we’d lose Cig.

Cig was genuinely happy at JMU. He wasn’t necessarily looking, but he (like most rational people) are open to listening to offers. That said, Cig didn’t go to MSU, wasn’t even considered at MSU that we know of…and the IU offer came out of left field after IU shelled out over $15m to can a HC.

Of course JMU will always be at risk of losing a successful coach to a program with deeper pockets. We can agree about that. It happens to virtually all programs and enterprises, college athletics to major corporations. Nothing new about this.

Well there's this one a few days later, after the rumors of interest from Indiana began, where you said as long as JMU rewards him by being the highest paid Sun Belt coach, he wouldn't leave. JMU did, he still left.

https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19316044

How is that even a cherry pick? You called BS and said you NEVER said that, yet low and behold, you did.

And here's another one from early on in that topic predicted if we did even better than we ended up doing this season, he still wouldn't go: https://csnbbs.com/thread-975822-post-19...id19103991

Oh gee, and JMU didn’t go undefeated either. My prediction was off. The shame of it all!

Perhaps, had JMU defeated App St., and the lawsuit against the NCAA then been allowed to go forward, and as a result of a TRO, JMU was allowed to play Troy in the SBC championship game, and assuming JMU won that game, and then JMU was chosen to play in the NY6 game as the top G5 (earning the $4m prize), and JMU won the Fiesta Bowl, finishing an undefeated season, Cig would have stayed at JMU.

Isn’t that sequence of events exactly what the “Fire Alger” crowd assumed would happen? Cig would be our hero, we’d put a statue up in his honor, and he’d finish his career as a legend at JMU.

But none of it played out that way. JMU lost to App St. The lawsuit was shelved. JMU finished 11-1, not undefeated as my post was projecting, and Cig received an offer no sane person would turn down, from a bottom feeding Big 10 program that was willing to buy out their current coach for $15m.

Am I guilty of assuming Cig would stay at JMU? Yep. Sue me.

98th Rule of Acquisition "Every Man has his Price"

Brian

Veni Vidi Volavi

I came I saw I flew

(12-14-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  LOLonghorn - never forget the "legacy lectures"

And every JMU fan who wanted to put a statue of Cig up.

52-9. With expectations that in 2024 JMU would be chasing a spot in the expanded CFP. It was the best of times. Let’s hope the momentum isn’t lost.

(12-14-2023 03:19 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  LOLonghorn - never forget the "legacy lectures"

And every JMU fan who wanted to put a statue of Cig up.

52-9. With expectations that in 2024 JMU would be chasing a spot in the expanded CFP. It was the best of times. Let’s hope the momentum isn’t lost.

While Cig didn't win the NC, & Mickey and Mike did - I think Cig is the best HF coach we've had. Also the most arrogant.

(12-14-2023 03:23 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 03:19 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  LOLonghorn - never forget the "legacy lectures"

And every JMU fan who wanted to put a statue of Cig up.

52-9. With expectations that in 2024 JMU would be chasing a spot in the expanded CFP. It was the best of times. Let’s hope the momentum isn’t lost.

While Cig didn't win the NC, & Mickey and Mike did - I think Cig is the best HF coach we've had. Also the most arrogant.

Based on a common definition of “arrogant” I’d have to say Withers and Wood were JMU’s most “arrogant” HC…with Wood the least to show for it.

(12-14-2023 03:23 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 03:19 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  LOLonghorn - never forget the "legacy lectures"

And every JMU fan who wanted to put a statue of Cig up.

52-9. With expectations that in 2024 JMU would be chasing a spot in the expanded CFP. It was the best of times. Let’s hope the momentum isn’t lost.

While Cig didn't win the NC, & Mickey and Mike did - I think Cig is the best HF coach we've had. Also the most arrogant.

Not even close, Withers was arrogant on steroids. Cig was just all business. I am hoping that Chesney is Cig with a personality.

(12-14-2023 03:41 PM)BSKB 24 Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 03:23 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 03:19 PM)Longhorn Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 02:50 PM)bcp_jmu Wrote:  LOLonghorn - never forget the "legacy lectures"

And every JMU fan who wanted to put a statue of Cig up.

52-9. With expectations that in 2024 JMU would be chasing a spot in the expanded CFP. It was the best of times. Let’s hope the momentum isn’t lost.

While Cig didn't win the NC, & Mickey and Mike did - I think Cig is the best HF coach we've had. Also the most arrogant.

Not even close, Withers was arrogant on steroids. Cig was just all business. I am hoping that Chesney is Cig with a personality.

I conveniently forgot about him.

If Cig doesn’t have any scheduling criteria in the contract, he will maintain Indiana’s soft approach and schedule 3 cupcakes each year. Then he only needs to go 3-6 in the Big 18 each year to cash in on bonuses.

It is a very low bar to become bowl eligible. 82 out of 133 teams make it.
Wish I had some annual bonus clauses with such low hurdles on he metrics. I would be lining the retirement coffers with mounds of cash.

It just shows how desperate the Hoosiers are to get out of the lifelong basement. They’ll pay just to get halfway up the stairs and not even open the door to the living quarters of the rich & famous.

(12-14-2023 03:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  If Cig doesn’t have any scheduling criteria in the contract, he will maintain Indiana’s soft approach and schedule 3 cupcakes each year. Then he only needs to go 3-6 in the Big 18 each year to cash in on bonuses.

It is a very low bar to become bowl eligible. 82 out of 133 teams make it.
Wish I had some annual bonus clauses with such low hurdles on he metrics. I would be lining the retirement coffers with mounds of cash.

It just shows how desperate the Hoosiers are to get out of the lifelong basement. They’ll pay just to get halfway up the stairs and not even open the door to the living quarters of the rich & famous.

If Cig gets five 6-6 or better seasons in a row, IU will build him a statue, and he may deserve it. It would be more than any other coach there has been able to achieve in a century.

(12-14-2023 03:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  If Cig doesn’t have any scheduling criteria in the contract, he will maintain Indiana’s soft approach and schedule 3 cupcakes each year. Then he only needs to go 3-6 in the Big 18 each year to cash in on bonuses.

It is a very low bar to become bowl eligible. 82 out of 133 teams make it.
Wish I had some annual bonus clauses with such low hurdles on he metrics. I would be lining the retirement coffers with mounds of cash.

It just shows how desperate the Hoosiers are to get out of the lifelong basement. They’ll pay just to get halfway up the stairs and not even open the door to the living quarters of the rich & famous.

I think the expectations are IU will lose to Mich, OSU, Wash, PSU, & Oregon 9 out of 10 times. For them to have a soft OOC likely with bother no one.

(12-14-2023 01:50 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:19 PM)Dukeman Wrote:  Cig starts every season at Indiana 0-3

At JMU he starts 7-0

JMU was the perfect job for him.

I don't think so.

Home FIU
Home W Ill
Road UCLA


No games they can't win in the first 7 next year. Now the last 5 games scheduled should lead to challenging results to end the year.

I don’t think he meant it as IU will start the season 0-3, but rather they will almost always have 3 games that they will lose with the likes of OSU, Michigan, Penn State, and Oregon in the schedule mix.

I’m not sure that JMU will usually have 7 games on their schedule that they “should” win.

(12-14-2023 04:52 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 03:56 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  If Cig doesn’t have any scheduling criteria in the contract, he will maintain Indiana’s soft approach and schedule 3 cupcakes each year. Then he only needs to go 3-6 in the Big 18 each year to cash in on bonuses.

It is a very low bar to become bowl eligible. 82 out of 133 teams make it.
Wish I had some annual bonus clauses with such low hurdles on he metrics. I would be lining the retirement coffers with mounds of cash.

It just shows how desperate the Hoosiers are to get out of the lifelong basement. They’ll pay just to get halfway up the stairs and not even open the door to the living quarters of the rich & famous.

I think the expectations are IU will lose to Mich, OSU, Wash, PSU, & Oregon 9 out of 10 times. For them to have a soft OOC likely with bother no one.

Looks like most years he will face 3 of those teams.

For 2024:
3 easy/automatic W's : FIU, WIU, Charlotte.
3 near certain L's : OSU, Michigan, Washington

Needs to win 3 of the following next year to get to 6-6 and a bowl:
UCLA (7-5), Nebraska (5-7), Purdue (4-8), Michigan St (4-8), NorthWestern (7-5), UMd (7-5)

Beat Nebraska, Purdue, and Mich St next year, go bowling, and collect another $4.5m in extension/retirement money.

Not trivial, but doable. Nebraska lost to Georgia Southern last year.

(12-14-2023 01:53 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  I'd be willing to bet that Cig gets 8 wins and a CoY honors in his first 3 years.

He has shown some true colors in HOW he left, but there is no denying his ability to coach.

Cig has never shown the ability to beat more talented teams.

He will have to do that at Indiana.

We have seen him get outcoached; most recently against App State.

And most notably against North Dakota State in 2019 championship game (BTW, 19 returning starters for Cigs first season with JMU)

(12-14-2023 01:50 PM)Dukester Wrote:  

(12-14-2023 01:19 PM)Dukeman Wrote:  Cig starts every season at Indiana 0-3

At JMU he starts 7-0

JMU was the perfect job for him.

I don't think so.

Home FIU
Home W Ill
Road UCLA


No games they can't win in the first 7 next year. Now the last 5 games scheduled should lead to challenging results to end the year.

The 0-3 refers to games Indiana will undoubtably lose every season, not necessarily the first three games