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(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:23 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you do not understand how football works. Coaches do not call plays and say "throw deep to number 18." Do you really believe that is how football works, man? That is kind of eye opening.

P.S. if they ran up the middle, people would complain that they were too conservative (which was all over facebook)

Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

(12-19-2023 10:53 AM)Murray007 Wrote:  If we haven't fired JJ then there is no way Rahne will get canned. At least football is making some progress... Basketball looks like a liferaft with a massive puncture.

This right here. The order of priority on the fire list is:

1. Wood Selig.
2. Jeff Jones
...
...
...
8. Ricky Rahne.

Sure, Ricky has had plenty to time to get his system in place and recruit talent. But I'm not of the opinion that he should be fired immediately.

Wood Selig and Jeff Jones have no right to be employed by the school. They should have both been fired years ago.

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:23 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you do not understand how football works. Coaches do not call plays and say "throw deep to number 18." Do you really believe that is how football works, man? That is kind of eye opening.

P.S. if they ran up the middle, people would complain that they were too conservative (which was all over facebook)

Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

(12-19-2023 09:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 08:46 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Everyone is so emotional about that loss. Holy cow. Next year is the year you determine whether or not he is the guy. He won 4 more games than the year before. If he does half of that next year the team wins 8 games. Nobody should want the guy canned after they won 4 more games than the previous year. Wild.

Yeah, I don't understand it. I was upset last night for a few minutes but its a bowl game. If it was a conference championship or a top bowl, I can understand it. Not the Toastery Tomato can bowl. The kids go,fans go, you have fun and hope to win. The bowl game has not impact on what is going to happen next year.

I have my complaints about Rahne. But, fans are so black and white, he is either the best coach in the world or someone that has never seen a football in his life.

This is how I feel about it. I also expected to see some guys on the field, so they can make a decision on them for the following year. I don't know if that happened or not. I hope the people attended had an amazing time, but I am pretty sure that the coaches were using this entire time to evaluate the roster, and see what they need for next year. I could be wrong, but that's what I would do if I was going to the Toastery bowl. The goal is a conference championship, and playing in a bigger bowl.

I know what you are saying my friend! I'm not a football guy at all, but was following the score from the #95 Amtrak train. I would have to say that if I was a football fan, going from 28-0 to losing the game is probably pretty dang hard to swallow for the major football fan. Plus the fact that it was a big story in the US sports world for a period of time is probably not the PR the University might want. Good news is, not too many people outside of ODU or Western fans are gonna remember this for long. Hopefully it doesn't hurt recruiting.

When WKU was down 28-0 their live money line was +2500!

I think the Fire Rahne movement is a complete overreaction BUT there is something wrong with the coaching when a team blows four leads of 20+ points in a single season. It happens to everyone ONCE at some point. Twice? OK, maybe. a 3rd and 4th time is atrocious.

In addition to the off season recruiting and planning for Spring ball, RR needs to get his house in order and figure out situational football. Rahne needs to assert himself more if he isn't already.

Also, a bit ironic that a big, physical 3rd string backup QB led their comeback...much like Vasko a few weeks back.

One of the players on the radio postgame show when asked about the meltdown said "some players didn't do their jobs". Is that coaching? Player error? Both I suppose.

We stub our toe every time we are on the verge of establishing momentum as a program. That is my biggest disappointment.

I'll be back next year full of hope (i know...hope isn't a strategy). See you in Columbia to play the Gamecocks.

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:23 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you do not understand how football works. Coaches do not call plays and say "throw deep to number 18." Do you really believe that is how football works, man? That is kind of eye opening.

P.S. if they ran up the middle, people would complain that they were too conservative (which was all over facebook)

Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

Grant threw that ball to the receiver quick right at the snap of the ball. CLEARLY a first read for him. Designed and orchestrated by the coaching staff. No, I am not going to admit I am wrong. It was a bad throw at the wrong time. But I cannot blame Grant for doing what he is told to do. You are wrong. Stop coddling the coaching staff for a clear error and ignorent decision on their part.

(12-19-2023 12:10 PM)Roy Munson Wrote:  I think the Fire Rahne movement is a complete overreaction BUT there is something wrong with the coaching when a team blows four leads of 20+ points in a single season. It happens to everyone ONCE at some point. Twice? OK, maybe. a 3rd and 4th time is atrocious.

In addition to the off season recruiting and planning for Spring ball, RR needs to get his house in order and figure out situational football. Rahne needs to assert himself more if he isn't already.

Also, a bit ironic that a big, physical 3rd string backup QB led their comeback...much like Vasko a few weeks back.

One of the players on the radio postgame show when asked about the meltdown said "some players didn't do their jobs". Is that coaching? Player error? Both I suppose.

We stub our toe every time we are on the verge of establishing momentum as a program. That is my biggest disappointment.

I'll be back next year full of hope (i know...hope isn't a strategy). See you in Columbia to play the Gamecocks.

ODU always gets in their own way when comes to big games or national attention. I think that's a big factor in the fire range movement at those people who remember the growth we had at the beginning then stagnation since. Should have went to better bowl in 2016 with those 10 wins but I'm sure the players appreciated that trip. Just so frustrating to get the CFB world talking about the program for all the wrong reasons

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:23 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you do not understand how football works. Coaches do not call plays and say "throw deep to number 18." Do you really believe that is how football works, man? That is kind of eye opening.

P.S. if they ran up the middle, people would complain that they were too conservative (which was all over facebook)

Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

I have posted our offense and route concept on here 3-4 times. Post snap, the WR adjusts his route based on leverage. The QB is the one that makes the decision where to throw the ball. No coach is saying, Grant throw deep to 18 on first down. It was Grants decision to throw the ball at a covered WR

Time of possession, WKU 41 minutes ODU 19. That glaring stat has been all over these games where we blew the big lead.

Lesson to be learned. You can’t keep your defense on the field for ridiculously long periods of time and expect to win. You just can’t.


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(12-19-2023 01:12 PM)ODU1986 Wrote:  Time of possession, WKU 41 minutes ODU 19. That glaring stat has been all over these games where we blew the big lead.

Lesson to be learned. You can’t keep your defense on the field for ridiculously long periods of time and expect to win. You just can’t.


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That is a good area where the defense needs to improve as well.

(12-19-2023 01:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:23 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you do not understand how football works. Coaches do not call plays and say "throw deep to number 18." Do you really believe that is how football works, man? That is kind of eye opening.

P.S. if they ran up the middle, people would complain that they were too conservative (which was all over facebook)

Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

I have posted our offense and route concept on here 3-4 times. Post snap, the WR adjusts his route based on leverage. The QB is the one that makes the decision where to throw the ball. No coach is saying, Grant throw deep to 18 on first down. It was Grants decision to throw the ball at a covered WR

The receiver got no leverage at all on that play. And that ball was thrown immediately. To me that is by design. There is no way Grant had additional progressions to look at on that play. But, thats also been a regular problem for us with our receievers not getting any separation and leverage. On top of that, most of our receivers are undersized and are about the same size or smaller than the opposing corners they face

(12-19-2023 12:30 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:23 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you do not understand how football works. Coaches do not call plays and say "throw deep to number 18." Do you really believe that is how football works, man? That is kind of eye opening.

P.S. if they ran up the middle, people would complain that they were too conservative (which was all over facebook)

Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

Grant threw that ball to the receiver quick right at the snap of the ball. CLEARLY a first read for him. Designed and orchestrated by the coaching staff. No, I am not going to admit I am wrong. It was a bad throw at the wrong time. But I cannot blame Grant for doing what he is told to do. You are wrong. Stop coddling the coaching staff for a clear error and ignorent decision on their part.

What would you have said if he'd thrown it on target? Bad play call?

Because the previous two possessions we ran up the middle the first two plays.

(12-19-2023 09:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 08:46 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Everyone is so emotional about that loss. Holy cow. Next year is the year you determine whether or not he is the guy. He won 4 more games than the year before. If he does half of that next year the team wins 8 games. Nobody should want the guy canned after they won 4 more games than the previous year. Wild.

Yeah, I don't understand it. I was upset last night for a few minutes but its a bowl game. If it was a conference championship or a top bowl, I can understand it. Not the Toastery Tomato can bowl. The kids go,fans go, you have fun and hope to win. The bowl game has not impact on what is going to happen next year.

I have my complaints about Rahne. But, fans are so black and white, he is either the best coach in the world or someone that has never seen a football in his life.

This is how I feel about it. I also expected to see some guys on the field, so they can make a decision on them for the following year. I don't know if that happened or not. I hope the people attended had an amazing time, but I am pretty sure that the coaches were using this entire time to evaluate the roster, and see what they need for next year. I could be wrong, but that's what I would do if I was going to the Toastery bowl. The goal is a conference championship, and playing in a bigger bowl.

I am with you guys. I am not sure how many of our guys did not play because they entered the portal, but I know it was a few and obviously we didn't have our All-American Linebacker. I too was upset for a few minutes and then I moved on. We're a 6-6 team in a low tier bowl game. Not a big deal to me.

(12-19-2023 01:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 12:30 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

Grant threw that ball to the receiver quick right at the snap of the ball. CLEARLY a first read for him. Designed and orchestrated by the coaching staff. No, I am not going to admit I am wrong. It was a bad throw at the wrong time. But I cannot blame Grant for doing what he is told to do. You are wrong. Stop coddling the coaching staff for a clear error and ignorent decision on their part.

What would you have said if he'd thrown it on target? Bad play call?

Because the previous two possessions we ran up the middle the first two plays.

We were in a position to start draining clock. Also, Western KYs run defense was very suspect and we did exploit it. Why go away from what was actually working?

(12-19-2023 01:47 PM)oduhoops71 Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 08:46 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Everyone is so emotional about that loss. Holy cow. Next year is the year you determine whether or not he is the guy. He won 4 more games than the year before. If he does half of that next year the team wins 8 games. Nobody should want the guy canned after they won 4 more games than the previous year. Wild.

Yeah, I don't understand it. I was upset last night for a few minutes but its a bowl game. If it was a conference championship or a top bowl, I can understand it. Not the Toastery Tomato can bowl. The kids go,fans go, you have fun and hope to win. The bowl game has not impact on what is going to happen next year.

I have my complaints about Rahne. But, fans are so black and white, he is either the best coach in the world or someone that has never seen a football in his life.

This is how I feel about it. I also expected to see some guys on the field, so they can make a decision on them for the following year. I don't know if that happened or not. I hope the people attended had an amazing time, but I am pretty sure that the coaches were using this entire time to evaluate the roster, and see what they need for next year. I could be wrong, but that's what I would do if I was going to the Toastery bowl. The goal is a conference championship, and playing in a bigger bowl.

I am with you guys. I am not sure how many of our guys did not play because they entered the portal, but I know it was a few and obviously we didn't have our All-American Linebacker. I too was upset for a few minutes and then I moved on. We're a 6-6 team in a low tier bowl game. Not a big deal to me.

Sorry excuse. They were down to their 3rd string QB, half the starting O-line and leading receiver and that was just on offense.

(12-19-2023 01:47 PM)oduhoops71 Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:09 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 09:04 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 08:46 AM)757ODU Wrote:  Everyone is so emotional about that loss. Holy cow. Next year is the year you determine whether or not he is the guy. He won 4 more games than the year before. If he does half of that next year the team wins 8 games. Nobody should want the guy canned after they won 4 more games than the previous year. Wild.

Yeah, I don't understand it. I was upset last night for a few minutes but its a bowl game. If it was a conference championship or a top bowl, I can understand it. Not the Toastery Tomato can bowl. The kids go,fans go, you have fun and hope to win. The bowl game has not impact on what is going to happen next year.

I have my complaints about Rahne. But, fans are so black and white, he is either the best coach in the world or someone that has never seen a football in his life.

This is how I feel about it. I also expected to see some guys on the field, so they can make a decision on them for the following year. I don't know if that happened or not. I hope the people attended had an amazing time, but I am pretty sure that the coaches were using this entire time to evaluate the roster, and see what they need for next year. I could be wrong, but that's what I would do if I was going to the Toastery bowl. The goal is a conference championship, and playing in a bigger bowl.

I am with you guys. I am not sure how many of our guys did not play because they entered the portal, but I know it was a few and obviously we didn't have our All-American Linebacker. I too was upset for a few minutes and then I moved on. We're a 6-6 team in a low tier bowl game. Not a big deal to me.

Any bowl game should be treated with more respect than that. Making a bowl is a challenging goal and not easy to do.. And you never know when your next chance may be at it again. We are NOT a guarantee for any bowl game next year. I guarantee you Vegas betting odds for us will be right back at 4 games next year (even with 6 games won this year). It doesnt matter if you are in a "lower tier bowl" or the Sugar Bowl. Bowl games generate money and exposure for the school.

I mean I'm pretty upset. Not burn the barn down upset but as a fan it was infuriating to watch. We should never lose after being up 28-0, and up 35-14 in the 3rd. The fact that it was the 4th time this year we blew a large lead made it even more infuriating. Wilson's pick was killer especially at the moment of the game, but the offense had no life in the second half. Getting not one but two kicks blocked in key moments of the game was heartwrenching, and the missed FG was too.

This game will live on in infamy along with 4th and 29 and the UNC game as one that will sting in ODU fans minds for a long time lol

(12-19-2023 01:43 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:10 PM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 10:00 AM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  Yet, they were running those sideline quick screens effectively and Wilson was making great running RPO reads the whole game. His first read on that play was to throw deep (under the coaching direction). They got greedy and it burned them. They put their quarterback in a horrible spot with that play call. And it ultimately shifted the momentum in the game. They were also in the position to start draining some clock too there.

Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

I have posted our offense and route concept on here 3-4 times. Post snap, the WR adjusts his route based on leverage. The QB is the one that makes the decision where to throw the ball. No coach is saying, Grant throw deep to 18 on first down. It was Grants decision to throw the ball at a covered WR

The receiver got no leverage at all on that play. And that ball was thrown immediately. To me that is by design. There is no way Grant had additional progressions to look at on that play. But, thats also been a regular problem for us with our receievers not getting any separation and leverage. On top of that, most of our receivers are undersized and are about the same size or smaller than the opposing corners they face

“There is no way grant had additional progressions”

Tell me you don't know what you are talking about without actually saying it

(12-19-2023 01:49 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 01:45 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 12:30 PM)ODURallyFox Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:14 AM)Vabirds Wrote:  

(12-19-2023 11:01 AM)Stat Geek Wrote:  Rally- you are wrong Just own it

Stat-
Trying to be respectful but I disagree with you. That play was designed by the coaches as the first read being the deep ball. I am not sure how it can be seen any other way. If it is obviously covered the QB should proceed through his progressions.

Grant threw that ball to the receiver quick right at the snap of the ball. CLEARLY a first read for him. Designed and orchestrated by the coaching staff. No, I am not going to admit I am wrong. It was a bad throw at the wrong time. But I cannot blame Grant for doing what he is told to do. You are wrong. Stop coddling the coaching staff for a clear error and ignorent decision on their part.

What would you have said if he'd thrown it on target? Bad play call?

Because the previous two possessions we ran up the middle the first two plays.

We were in a position to start draining clock. Also, Western KYs run defense was very suspect and we did exploit it. Why go away from what was actually working?

There was 14 minutes left in the game at that point, what are you talking about?