(12-31-2023 09:59 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 04:58 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have posted multiple times that USF would shine if it landed membership in an all-sports power conference. The foundation has been set. All that is needed is an opportunity.

If the SEC adds FSU/Clemson, I think the Big10 could add Miami/USF.

Both are AAU, and make for nice travel partners.

I could see that.

(01-01-2024 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 09:59 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 04:58 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have posted multiple times that USF would shine if it landed membership in an all-sports power conference. The foundation has been set. All that is needed is an opportunity.

If the SEC adds FSU/Clemson, I think the Big10 could add Miami/USF.

Both are AAU, and make for nice travel partners.

I could see that.

I don’t see the Big 10 adding USF. The Big 10 is very old school and traditional. Even if the Bulls present themselves as an excellent “project”,
I just don’t see the Big 10 establishment going for it.

They’ll pursue Miami and then try and reel in the white whale: ND. I’m inclined to think that ND will have to rethink their current position if the ACC starts losing its top football brands. Will folks really take ND seriously as a national title contender playing a soft schedule that includes 5 ACC left behinds?

(01-01-2024 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 09:59 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 04:58 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have posted multiple times that USF would shine if it landed membership in an all-sports power conference. The foundation has been set. All that is needed is an opportunity.

If the SEC adds FSU/Clemson, I think the Big10 could add Miami/USF.

Both are AAU, and make for nice travel partners.

I could see that.

I can't. The SEC doesn't want FSU, and likely really don't want Clemson either.
FSU if they move go to BIG. Likely along with VA or NC.
My guess is if SEC added or wanted to add anyone it would be NC,VA.

Only move I see as possible for USF is ACC.

(12-24-2023 06:11 AM)XLance Wrote:  

(12-23-2023 09:44 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Ya'll probably thought that call up would come after the stadium was built, now there is likely 2 conferences that are not the AAC on the phone congratulating you on your bowl win.

The ACC offers you no media money for the first 9 years, the Big12 offers a full payout from the moment you enter the league....choose wisely.

USF is going to be interesting. It's possible that the ACC will bypass the Bulls.
Many feel as if the ACC needs two schools in Florida. But after FSU leaves adding a school in another state would increase ACCN revenue whereas USF does not.
Another consideration is size. Most ACC schools have relatively small UG populations (even the publics like Clemson, Carolina and UVa).

It's not a foregone conclusion that USF would actually get an ACC invitation.

Should do it now as FSU making all of the noise .AAC buyout is small compared to the other conferences.

(01-01-2024 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 09:59 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 04:58 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have posted multiple times that USF would shine if it landed membership in an all-sports power conference. The foundation has been set. All that is needed is an opportunity.

If the SEC adds FSU/Clemson, I think the Big10 could add Miami/USF.

Both are AAU, and make for nice travel partners.

I could see that.

I can't. The SEC doesn't want FSU, and likely really don't want Clemson either.
FSU if they move go to BIG. Likely along with VA or NC.
My guess is if SEC added or wanted to add anyone it would be NC,VA.

Only move I see as possible for USF is ACC.

You’re probably right but if usf got into the B1G the UCF meltdown would be so awesome.

(01-01-2024 11:58 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 09:59 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 04:58 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  I have posted multiple times that USF would shine if it landed membership in an all-sports power conference. The foundation has been set. All that is needed is an opportunity.

If the SEC adds FSU/Clemson, I think the Big10 could add Miami/USF.

Both are AAU, and make for nice travel partners.

I could see that.

I can't. The SEC doesn't want FSU, and likely really don't want Clemson either.
FSU if they move go to BIG. Likely along with VA or NC.
My guess is if SEC added or wanted to add anyone it would be NC,VA.

Only move I see as possible for USF is ACC.

You’re probably right but if usf got into the B1G the UCF meltdown would be so awesome.

Really, with the AAU accreditation, IMO we should be aiming higher than the nB12. Sure, I'd take an nB12 invite if it came, but the SEC or B1G should IMO be our true aspirational conferences, or absent them the ACC if it is still together.

Of course, we'll probably remain stuck in AAC purgatory for a long while, but still.

(01-01-2024 12:38 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 11:58 AM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 09:20 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 08:28 AM)bill dazzle Wrote:  

(12-31-2023 09:59 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  If the SEC adds FSU/Clemson, I think the Big10 could add Miami/USF.

Both are AAU, and make for nice travel partners.

I could see that.

I can't. The SEC doesn't want FSU, and likely really don't want Clemson either.
FSU if they move go to BIG. Likely along with VA or NC.
My guess is if SEC added or wanted to add anyone it would be NC,VA.

Only move I see as possible for USF is ACC.

You’re probably right but if usf got into the B1G the UCF meltdown would be so awesome.

Really, with the AAU accreditation, IMO we should be aiming higher than the nB12. Sure, I'd take an nB12 invite if it came, but the SEC or B1G should IMO be our true aspirational conferences, or absent them the ACC if it is still together.

Of course, we'll probably remain stuck in AAC purgatory for a long while, but still.

I dunno.

The comments by Mr. Swarbrick here about Tallahassee (27:40), make me think that USF (Tampa) might well be an option.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHxS4hBgS0k

(12-31-2023 03:13 PM)Crayton Wrote:  Wouldn’t be surprised to see Tampa/Orlando as mid-December playoff sites under the next contract. IF the CFP uses neutral sites, they’ll try and keep a rotating roster.

Tampa/Orlando may continue to host New Years events. There are significant B1G/SEC alumni bases that don’t care about the playoff so much as the vacation.

Reasons like this, are why I think USF paired with Miami, might very well be a possibility.

And I still think that both of them recently getting AAU invites is unlikely to be a coincidence.

(12-24-2023 07:08 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 12:29 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Jim Williams listed the ACC initial rankings of interest. That doesn't mean who they'd take, but the order which they would be considered:

1. Tulane
2. South Florida
3. Memphis
4. Alabama-Birmingham
5. East Carolina
6. Tulsa

There is a class difference between the first three and the second three. Academics a is a very real and big thing for the ACC. I suspect Memphis only moves onto the invite runway if the ACC loses six (6) schools, as 15 is the magic number they need in the fold for their ESPN contract.

If six schools paid the $540M to exit, that would leave the ACC would $3B in their war chest, a huge leg up on the Big 12.

I don't think Jim Williams knows what he's talking about. You really think the academics in the ACC (which now includes Stanford and Cal) would choose Tulsa and East Carolina over Rice?

Do you really think that Cal and Stanford will be in the ACC very long? They can’t be looking at ACC membership as a long term solution. The only reason they are there now is they were looking for a lifeline and the ACC threw them one.

(01-01-2024 04:01 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 07:08 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 12:29 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Jim Williams listed the ACC initial rankings of interest. That doesn't mean who they'd take, but the order which they would be considered:

1. Tulane
2. South Florida
3. Memphis
4. Alabama-Birmingham
5. East Carolina
6. Tulsa

There is a class difference between the first three and the second three. Academics a is a very real and big thing for the ACC. I suspect Memphis only moves onto the invite runway if the ACC loses six (6) schools, as 15 is the magic number they need in the fold for their ESPN contract.

If six schools paid the $540M to exit, that would leave the ACC would $3B in their war chest, a huge leg up on the Big 12.

I don't think Jim Williams knows what he's talking about. You really think the academics in the ACC (which now includes Stanford and Cal) would choose Tulsa and East Carolina over Rice?

Do you really think that Cal and Stanford will be in the ACC very long? They can’t be looking at ACC membership as a long term solution. The only reason they are there now is they were looking for a lifeline and the ACC threw them one.

It's what you might call a stall & spare strategy. They make more than they would have elsewhere outside of the P2 and they buy time and hope for the likelihood that the Big 10 does raid the ACC and perhaps there is an odd take which needs a partner, like Stanford most likely.

If I were some kind of game-theory economist, I would conduct studies of CFB realignment.

These realignment maneuvers seem to be among the purist societal examples of naked, self-interested behavior, unencumbered by any kind of extraneous influences.

And I am not singling any school out, what makes it a "pure form" thing is that all schools behave seemingly the same way. Doesn't matter if you are Ohio State on one end or an FCS school moving to FBS on the other, and everyone in between.

(01-01-2024 04:01 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 07:08 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(12-24-2023 12:29 AM)Stugray2 Wrote:  Jim Williams listed the ACC initial rankings of interest. That doesn't mean who they'd take, but the order which they would be considered:

1. Tulane
2. South Florida
3. Memphis
4. Alabama-Birmingham
5. East Carolina
6. Tulsa

There is a class difference between the first three and the second three. Academics a is a very real and big thing for the ACC. I suspect Memphis only moves onto the invite runway if the ACC loses six (6) schools, as 15 is the magic number they need in the fold for their ESPN contract.

If six schools paid the $540M to exit, that would leave the ACC would $3B in their war chest, a huge leg up on the Big 12.

I don't think Jim Williams knows what he's talking about. You really think the academics in the ACC (which now includes Stanford and Cal) would choose Tulsa and East Carolina over Rice?

Do you really think that Cal and Stanford will be in the ACC very long? They can’t be looking at ACC membership as a long term solution. The only reason they are there now is they were looking for a lifeline and the ACC threw them one.

It up to them, no. Just like during the PAC yearlong breakup, they’re desperately trying to get to the BIG in whatever ACC pillaging occurs (aka actively trying to kill ACC). Word is that if missing out on BIG, rebuilding with PAC4, perhaps in alignment with ND is the top long term choice.

I mean , they’re not getting full pay until new BIG deal and after ESPN option..hmm. But when that’s the only offer, you take it, and kick the can down the road.

Stanford misstep imo. Their best chance at the BIG, only chance imo, is via ND joining. And for that to occur, the ACC needs to forced to breakup and the SEC get its fill in a defensive move. This pushes ND to BIG/fox with no south asset as must have. Stanford needs this to be a battle against Duke (without UNC)…or for P2 to go past 20 each. All of which requires ACC to basically collapse

My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

In that scenario, I think BIG and B12 pick the ACC carcass apart.

Pitt, VT, Duke and Louisville to the B12. UVA and GT to the BIG.

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

Not happening….

If 1 leaves it’s going to cost. If 4 leave it’s going to cost 4 times as much.
Not going to be easy getting out for anyone. The moment ESPN, The ACC, or anyone else sticks their neck out the AG’s of a half dozen states are going to drop paperwork on them.

This will be tied up in court for years.

(12-23-2023 11:14 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  I have to wonder if UCF has to be wondering if they jumped the gun. The ACC would be a more convenient conference home for them and there’s a good chance that rival USF will be going there soon.

Absolutely not.

No one knows what will happen with the ACC. And every year UCF spends sitting at the big boy table the more they become true peers of the big boys.

Does anyone remember that Utah and TCU were MWC teams?

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

Those 4 leave and the ACC is more stable, not less.

And the espn deal that FSU is bemoaning isn't as concerning to the rest.

And I think ND would still be fine with who's left. When NC etal leave, this pretty much becomes ND's conference of opponents.

So the ACC backfills and everyone moves on.

And I think Army and Navy might well be in the mix as backfill in this scenario.

ACC

Army, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, VT, VA, Duke, WF, Navy, GT, USF, Miami, Tulane, SMU, Cal, Stanford, ND

(01-01-2024 05:26 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

In that scenario, I think BIG and B12 pick the ACC carcass apart.

Pitt, VT, Duke and Louisville to the B12. UVA and GT to the BIG.

I just don’t see UVA and GT offering enough to make their additions worth it to the Big 10. They aren’t exactly known for being big spenders in football and don’t bring a great pedigree.

As for the Big 12, it’s certainly possible that they could cherry pick the SEC remnants and Louisville, VT, and potentially Pitt could be some of the most amenable to that set up. This could even lead to the Big 12 being the M1 conference, absorbing all or most of the ACC’s remaining 12 schools.

(01-01-2024 07:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:26 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

In that scenario, I think BIG and B12 pick the ACC carcass apart.

Pitt, VT, Duke and Louisville to the B12. UVA and GT to the BIG.

I just don’t see UVA and GT offering enough to make their additions worth it to the Big 10. They aren’t exactly known for being big spenders in football and don’t bring a great pedigree.

As for the Big 12, it’s certainly possible that they could cherry pick the SEC remnants and Louisville, VT, and potentially Pitt could be some of the most amenable to that set up. This could even lead to the Big 12 being the M1 conference, absorbing all or most of the ACC’s remaining 12 schools.

Would VA and GT just be another Purdue and Indiana? The B1G is just absorbing some major PAC teams next season so they may not want to add the ACC mediocrity. Could keep the ACC together.

(01-01-2024 08:15 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 07:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:26 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

In that scenario, I think BIG and B12 pick the ACC carcass apart.

Pitt, VT, Duke and Louisville to the B12. UVA and GT to the BIG.

I just don’t see UVA and GT offering enough to make their additions worth it to the Big 10. They aren’t exactly known for being big spenders in football and don’t bring a great pedigree.

As for the Big 12, it’s certainly possible that they could cherry pick the SEC remnants and Louisville, VT, and potentially Pitt could be some of the most amenable to that set up. This could even lead to the Big 12 being the M1 conference, absorbing all or most of the ACC’s remaining 12 schools.

Would VA and GT just be another Purdue and Indiana? The B1G is just absorbing some major PAC teams next season so they may not want to add the ACC mediocrity. Could keep the ACC together.

I don't see how anyone here can say that Virginia is a better ad than Stanford. Stanford is basically more Superior in every regard as university, market, and athletic program.

Along with making significantly more geographic sense.

(01-01-2024 08:32 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 08:15 PM)Sellular1 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 07:28 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:26 PM)Owls9878 Wrote:  

(01-01-2024 05:19 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  My best guess:

Florida St gets out of the ACC at a decent rate but part of the price was is that UNC and NC St get out too. Clemson rounds out the 4-team SEC expansion.

This leaves the ACC sufficiently weakened that ND and Miami go to the Big 10.

This leaves:

BC, Cuse, Pitt, L’ville, VT, UVA, Duke, WF, GT, SMU, Cal, and Stanford

That group of 12 adds UConn, USF, Tulane, and Memphis for 16.

In that scenario, I think BIG and B12 pick the ACC carcass apart.

Pitt, VT, Duke and Louisville to the B12. UVA and GT to the BIG.

I just don’t see UVA and GT offering enough to make their additions worth it to the Big 10. They aren’t exactly known for being big spenders in football and don’t bring a great pedigree.

As for the Big 12, it’s certainly possible that they could cherry pick the SEC remnants and Louisville, VT, and potentially Pitt could be some of the most amenable to that set up. This could even lead to the Big 12 being the M1 conference, absorbing all or most of the ACC’s remaining 12 schools.

Would VA and GT just be another Purdue and Indiana? The B1G is just absorbing some major PAC teams next season so they may not want to add the ACC mediocrity. Could keep the ACC together.

I don't see how anyone here can say that Virginia is a better ad than Stanford. Stanford is basically more Superior in every regard as university, market, and athletic program.

Along with making significantly more geographic sense.

In isolation, I agree, except with the geography part. The brand itself appreciates the BIG brand more than UVa


If it takes adding UVa to get UNC, then advantage UVa. BIG is already the top in CA and the west. Getting UVa and UNC expands BIG. Potentially on the way to owning coastal south

And if you get those two, you’re not far off from ND imo. FSU, Miami, Stanford…ND (after Fox writes the check to finish off ACC)

Adding Stanford only makes sense if at ND’s request imo. They’re far from the other west satellite franchises and like UVa the TV revenue isn’t favorable. But if the SEC walls off the BIG from at least peer status in VA, NC, (GA?) and FL, then adding Stanford may be a part of what’s needed to get ND.

If SEC adds UNC, UVa, FSU, Clemson… BIG adds Miami, and Fox/ESPN force 8 more to Big 12…what does ND do?