(01-09-2024 09:42 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 06:03 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:53 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 05:47 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(12-30-2023 03:44 PM)Garrettabc Wrote:  Travel is the big expense with these 2 plus the stress on the SAs and being far away from each other’s fan bases will effect game attendance. My solution would be to invite OSU and WSU for the same rate as Stan and Cal in which they accept. The 4 west coast schools play one another twice a year in all sports including football. SMU plays these schools in all sports just once a year.

In football that’s 7 games out of an 8 game schedule filled out. There would be 4 games left (2 home, 2 away) out of the other 14 schools in the ACC to spread out the travel burden. In other words, your school wouid travel to one of these destinations once every 7 years.

In basketball ND enters the picture, they wouid play the 4 west coast teams once, the same amount as SMU which brings their game total to 8. The ACC could drop the number of conference basketball games from 18 to 16, making it so that the remaining number of games vs the west wouid be 8 that gets divided up between the 14. The math is 4x8=32/14=2.5 games and half of those wouid be home games.

Baseball gets a little trickier because SMU and SU don’t have baseball. I’m not so sure about the other sports, so if you have any ideas let us know.

And of course the additions get ACCN rates in Oregon and Washington. I realize ESPN only has 1 more pro-rata left, but it does not mean they are are not willing to pay half rate for the other school.

1. CA and TX pay for themselves in terms of ACCN subs; OR and WA do not.
2. Sorry Cougs, but the ACC should pass on Wash. State; the Oregon State Beavers are a maybe, however (much more populous area).
3. If ESPN pays less than full pro rata, the ACC must pass; "one half won't do" - Talk Talk

Washington is more populous than Oregon, but OSU appears to have better attendance and it's proximity to Portland. Could also swap out WSU for UNLV if that pleases Stan and Cal.

I guess this is more for the benefit of Stan and Cal than those in the east and middle.

Seattle follows the Huskies, not the Cougars.
The Beavers at least have a decent following in Portand.

They did a nice remodel on their stadium too.

Add OSU and SDSU

It wouldn't hurt to get into SoCal

Agree with both, but with the right scheduling model.

Yeah I know ESPN is only going to do 1 more pro-rata, but it does not mean they will pay nothing for the extra school(s).

I'd consult with Stan, Cal and SMU. I would allow each to get a partner they want, then what ESPN wants to pay for them, then all 6 split the monies equally. Just to be clear, this would be four pro-rata schools plus the extra two pooled and split evenly. This becomes the west wing.

(01-09-2024 09:18 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Stanford has released its annual athletics report. For FY 2023 it had $137 million in revenues and $158 million in expenses. This included $25 million in broadcast rights that they won't have once they join the ACC. They already receive $12 million a year from the university.

Stanford's largest source of revenues is endowment payouts of $44 million. If we assume a payout rate of 4-6%, that would indicate an athletic endowment of $670 million to $1.1 billion.

You'd like to think that Stanford could just dip into the endowment to cover expenses but it's more complicated than that. University endowments aren't just one big pot of money. They're a collection of many smaller pots of money dedicated to cover specific expenses, such as an endowment to cover the head football coach's salary.

As a member of the ACC, Stanford will have serious money problems.

https://giving.stanford.edu/endowment/

Stanford grants itself about 4-5% per year. An athletic scholarship costs $62,000 a year at Stanford and they have 350 full scholarships spread over 850 athletes so that's $28 million, and when you add the endowed positions like Hall noted you get to $44 M. Stanford also charges all restricted gifts an 8% internal charge per year that is pulled out for non-restricted use.

Unlike Hall, I don't think membership in the ACC presents Stanford with any serious money problems. In fact as I understand Stanford's endowments, they are more fungible than Duke's up to an including loans.

The business side of Duke is very conservative and uses conservative accounting principles. At Stanford, on a $37 B endowment, pulling out 4% is $1.5 Billion a year. Duke has 12 B in their main University Endowment and another 4 in the James B Duke endowment of which the U is entitled to 32%.

My point is that no one need worry about Stanford and money.

Cal Berkley has an endowment of $7.4 Billion.

https://www.ucberkeleyfoundation.org/wp-...022-23.pdf

They list 4% pegged to Athletic Support or $300,000,000. Now a full ride at Berkley costs an average of about $40-45K for the Athletic Department - 70% of the cost up the road at Stanford. That means the endowment can pay 350 full rides at Cal just culling 5% a year.

Duke, Stanford, ND, UNC, and UVa are either fully endowed or nearly fully endowed regarding athletic scholarships. They can chose to post this as an annual revenue or not. But you and I know that from a pure business standpoint, that's not annual revenue. The tension it creates is that that more "working class" schools have to gin up the money every year via ticket sales, annual donations, or TV. And that's what brings us to FSU.

(01-09-2024 09:41 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:18 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Stanford has released its annual athletics report. For FY 2023 it had $137 million in revenues and $158 million in expenses. This included $25 million in broadcast rights that they won't have once they join the ACC. They already receive $12 million a year from the university.

Stanford's largest source of revenues is endowment payouts of $44 million. If we assume a payout rate of 4-6%, that would indicate an athletic endowment of $670 million to $1.1 billion.

You'd like to think that Stanford could just dip into the endowment to cover expenses but it's more complicated than that. University endowments aren't just one big pot of money. They're a collection of many smaller pots of money dedicated to cover specific expenses, such as an endowment to cover the head football coach's salary.

As a member of the ACC, Stanford will have serious money problems.

I assume Cal is not any better, probably a little worse.

I said this once in other places, but I'll say it again. I'm embarrassed for Stan, Cal and SMU that they are taking a 30% share or less. I don't know how they'll stay competitive or even keep the status quo taking that much of a pay cut. In SMU's case, they are already behind athletically in comparison to the rest of the ACC.

I'll even throw this out there again, all travel expenses should be pooled so no schools are spending more on travel than others. This in itself is a form of unequal revenue sharing.

We appreciate your thoughts and prayers

(01-09-2024 09:41 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:18 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Stanford has released its annual athletics report. For FY 2023 it had $137 million in revenues and $158 million in expenses. This included $25 million in broadcast rights that they won't have once they join the ACC. They already receive $12 million a year from the university.

Stanford's largest source of revenues is endowment payouts of $44 million. If we assume a payout rate of 4-6%, that would indicate an athletic endowment of $670 million to $1.1 billion.

You'd like to think that Stanford could just dip into the endowment to cover expenses but it's more complicated than that. University endowments aren't just one big pot of money. They're a collection of many smaller pots of money dedicated to cover specific expenses, such as an endowment to cover the head football coach's salary.

As a member of the ACC, Stanford will have serious money problems.

I assume Cal is not any better, probably a little worse.

I said this once in other places, but I'll say it again. I'm embarrassed for Stan, Cal and SMU that they are taking a 30% share or less. I don't know how they'll stay competitive or even keep the status quo taking that much of a pay cut. In SMU's case, they are already behind athletically in comparison to the rest of the ACC.

I'll even throw this out there again, all travel expenses should be pooled so no schools are spending more on travel than others. This in itself is a form of unequal revenue sharing.

Sh!t .... every school in the ACC would kill to have a fraction of the donor support SMU has.

Just give me one of those heavy hitters at Louisville ....

I understand that those donors just shook the dust off their checkbooks, so it may take a little time for the Ponies to catch up. But NIL and the portal have suddenly made rebuilding efforts microwavable.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2023/01/20/u...situation/

https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/colle...343327.php

Cal has $440 million in athletics debt that is being kicked down the road as of now and will balloon soon

they get a very large academic side subsidy and their debt service is not included in the athletics budget.....and they sponsor a lot of sports with that small budget

losing $20 million or so in conference revenues will be a big blow to them and they are already in a bad spot

"In SMU's case, they are already behind athletically in comparison to the rest of the ACC."
Not sure this is true in Football, but time will tell. Check out the Way Too Early pre-season rankings from ESPN, Sporting News, Bleacher Report, On3, etc. which have SMU ranked about 5th in ACC and in the Top 25. Hopefully we can prove ourselves to be an asset to the ACC.
Might add that Stanford had a really good recruiting class.

(01-09-2024 04:46 PM)AusTxPony Wrote:  "In SMU's case, they are already behind athletically in comparison to the rest of the ACC."
Not sure this is true in Football, but time will tell. Check out the Way Too Early pre-season rankings from ESPN, Sporting News, Bleacher Report, On3, etc. which have SMU ranked about 5th in ACC and in the Top 25. Hopefully we can prove ourselves to be an asset to the ACC.
Might add that Stanford had a really good recruiting class.

I was making a reference to all sports. The ACC prides itself on being well rounded.

(01-09-2024 02:00 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Cal Berkley has an endowment of $7.4 Billion.

https://www.ucberkeleyfoundation.org/wp-...022-23.pdf

They list 4% pegged to Athletic Support or $300,000,000. Now a full ride at Berkley costs an average of about $40-45K for the Athletic Department - 70% of the cost up the road at Stanford. That means the endowment can pay 350 full rides at Cal just culling 5% a year.

Duke, Stanford, ND, UNC, and UVa are either fully endowed or nearly fully endowed regarding athletic scholarships. They can chose to post this as an annual revenue or not. But you and I know that from a pure business standpoint, that's not annual revenue. The tension it creates is that that more "working class" schools have to gin up the money every year via ticket sales, annual donations, or TV. And that's what brings us to FSU.

Yup. Makes no sense for rich schools to live off of FSU's money. Does it?

FSU doesn't have those enodowments so it has to take a chance for the P2.

BUT EVEN IF FSU did have the endowment....rich schools are running to the P2 as well....rich schools fight for $$$ just as hard as poor schools. See Texas, A&M, etc

(01-09-2024 08:38 PM)nole Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 02:00 PM)SouthernConfBoy Wrote:  Cal Berkley has an endowment of $7.4 Billion.

https://www.ucberkeleyfoundation.org/wp-...022-23.pdf

They list 4% pegged to Athletic Support or $300,000,000. Now a full ride at Berkley costs an average of about $40-45K for the Athletic Department - 70% of the cost up the road at Stanford. That means the endowment can pay 350 full rides at Cal just culling 5% a year.

Duke, Stanford, ND, UNC, and UVa are either fully endowed or nearly fully endowed regarding athletic scholarships. They can chose to post this as an annual revenue or not. But you and I know that from a pure business standpoint, that's not annual revenue. The tension it creates is that that more "working class" schools have to gin up the money every year via ticket sales, annual donations, or TV. And that's what brings us to FSU.

Yup. Makes no sense for rich schools to live off of FSU's money. Does it?

FSU doesn't have those enodowments so it has to take a chance for the P2.

BUT EVEN IF FSU did have the endowment....rich schools are running to the P2 as well....rich schools fight for $$$ just as hard as poor schools. See Texas, A&M, etc

Stop derailing threads. There is no criticism of FSU in this thread.

SMU needs to field a baseball team.

FACTS:

Cal & Stanford:Cal and Stanford will receive a partial share of ACC Tier 1 media revenue — estimated at about $25 million annually — for the next nine years before getting a full payment in the final three years of the conference’s deal with ESPN, according to a person familiar with the terms. Will get full share of ACCN rights distribution. Will participate in the success initiatives that rewards winning programs.

SMU:Will forgo all ACC Tier 1 media revenue for nine years before getting a full payment in the final three years of the conference’s deal with ESPN. Will get full share of ACCN rights distribution. Will participate in the success initiatives that rewards winning programs.

The money being withheld from the three new teams is expected to create an annual pot of revenue between $50 million and $60 million it will be added to the CFP & NCAA distributions to create a pool of "extra cash". Some of the revenue will be divided proportionally among the 14 full-time members and Notre Dame, and another portion will be put in a pool designated for success initiatives that rewards winning programs.

The majority of ACC presidents mandated signing the Cardinals, Bears and Mustangs before the ACC became obsolete. “This is an exciting day for the ACC, Syracuse University and our student-athletes, students, alumni and fans,” said Syracuse athletic director John Wildhack. “Stanford University, University of California-Berkeley and Southern Methodist University are top-tier institutions with tremendous academic profiles that align with the outstanding member universities that comprise the ACC.”

If anyone in the ACC can gauge the financial value of three new schools, it’s Wildhack. He engineered the current ESPN-ACC contract and saw to it the contract was lengthy, and was assured every ACC school signed an ironclad “grant of rights” agreement. In Wildhack’s statement, he suggested the three new programs, with their historic heritage, are “highly competitive in all sports, with exceptional strength in the Olympic sports.” Additionally, they “will strengthen [the ACC] and enhance [the conference’s] position among the elite power conferences in the NCAA.”

OLYMPIC SPORTS SUCCESS REALIGNMENT:
The New "Big 3" ???? (SEC-BIG10-ACC) Here's how the realigned DC points look:

Here is a look at what each school will bring to the ACC on the athletic field:

California
Cal-Berkeley is the flagship of the University of California’s 10-campus system and is regularly ranked as the No. 1 public university in the nation. The university’s football program has won five NCAA titles, but the last came in 1937. California last won the Pac-12 Conference in 2006; and that was its first conference title since 1975. Over the last 10 years, the Golden Bears have compiled a 49-66 record. The Bears’ last bowl appearance was the 2019 Redbox Bowl against Illinois.

In men’s basketball, Cal has struggled to compete in the Pac-12. The Bears’ last winning season was in 2016-17. The last time Cal was in the NCAA tournament was in 2013; ironically the Bears were ousted in the second round that year by Syracuse. Cal hasn’t advanced to the second weekend of the NCAA tournament since 1997.

Cal’s women’s basketball team made it to the Final Four in 2013, but haven’t been to the tournament since 2019.

The school has produced nearly 300 individual NCAA champions thanks mainly to men’s and women’s swimming, rowing and track and field.

Stanford
Stanford boasts the most successful athletic program in the country having won the NACDA Directors’ Cup in 26 of the award’s 29 years. The school has won 134 NCAA team championships; more than any other school. Stanford’s list of athletic alums includes Tiger Woods, John Elway, Katie Ledecky, Mike Mussina and John McEnroe.

Under former coach David Shaw, Stanford’s football teams enjoyed 10 straight winning seasons from 2009 to 2018, but the Cardinal have had losing records in each of the last four years. Stanford’s last bowl appearance came in the 2018 Sun Bowl.

Stanford’s basketball program has had success in the past, but the Cardinal haven’t been to the NCAA tournament since 2014. Stanford has struggled to just three winning seasons in seven years under current head coach Jerod Haase.

Stanford’s women’s basketball program is led by Hall of Fame coach Tara VanDerveer. Her teams have won three NCAA titles, including most recently in 2021.

The women’s tennis program has won 20 of the last 41 NCAA titles. The women’s soccer team has recently won NCAA titles in 2011, 2017 and 2019. The men’s soccer team won national titles in 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Of course, Stanford’s golf progam is known for Tiger Woods, but on the women’s side, Rose Zhang won the individual title in 2022 and 2023. She was the first two-time winner in women’s golf.

Southern Method University
SMU has enjoyed four straight winning seasons, including three bowl appearances in the last seven years.

The SMU basketball program has been to the NCAA tournament just twice since 1993 and the Mustangs’ last NCAA win came in the 1988 tournament.

The women’s basketball team hasn’t fared much better. SMU has had just one winning season in the last 10 years. The Mustangs’ last NCAA appearance came in 2008 and their last win was in the 2000 NCAA tournament.

The men’s soccer team is a national contender and the women’s soccer team is currently ranked.

Bryson DeChambeau was the NCAA’s individual golf champion in 2015.

ACC REALIGNED TALENT:
How would new football teams fit in the ACC? Each of their football talent composite scores compare favorably in the ACC:

(01-10-2024 10:00 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  FACTS:

Cal & Stanford:Cal and Stanford will receive a partial share of ACC Tier 1 media revenue — estimated at about $25 million annually — for the next nine years before getting a full payment in the final three years of the conference’s deal with ESPN, according to a person familiar with the terms. Will get full share of ACCN rights distribution. Will participate in the success initiatives that rewards winning programs.

SMU:Will forgo all ACC Tier 1 media revenue for nine years before getting a full payment in the final three years of the conference’s deal with ESPN. Will get full share of ACCN rights distribution. Will participate in the success initiatives that rewards winning programs.

The money being withheld from the three new teams is expected to create an annual pot of revenue between $50 million and $60 million it will be added to the CFP & NCAA distributions to create a pool of "extra cash". Some of the revenue will be divided proportionally among the 14 full-time members and Notre Dame, and another portion will be put in a pool designated for success initiatives that rewards winning programs.

The majority of ACC presidents mandated signing the Cardinals, Bears and Mustangs before the ACC became obsolete. “This is an exciting day for the ACC, Syracuse University and our student-athletes, students, alumni and fans,” said Syracuse athletic director John Wildhack. “Stanford University, University of California-Berkeley and Southern Methodist University are top-tier institutions with tremendous academic profiles that align with the outstanding member universities that comprise the ACC.”

If anyone in the ACC can gauge the financial value of three new schools, it’s Wildhack. He engineered the current ESPN-ACC contract and saw to it the contract was lengthy, and was assured every ACC school signed an ironclad “grant of rights” agreement. In Wildhack’s statement, he suggested the three new programs, with their historic heritage, are “highly competitive in all sports, with exceptional strength in the Olympic sports.” Additionally, they “will strengthen [the ACC] and enhance [the conference’s] position among the elite power conferences in the NCAA.”

OLYMPIC SPORTS SUCCESS REALIGNMENT:
The New "Big 3" ???? (SEC-BIG10-ACC) Here's how the realigned DC points look:

Here is a look at what each school will bring to the ACC on the athletic field:

California
Cal-Berkeley is the flagship of the University of California’s 10-campus system and is regularly ranked as the No. 1 public university in the nation. The university’s football program has won five NCAA titles, but the last came in 1937. California last won the Pac-12 Conference in 2006; and that was its first conference title since 1975. Over the last 10 years, the Golden Bears have compiled a 49-66 record. The Bears’ last bowl appearance was the 2019 Redbox Bowl against Illinois.

In men’s basketball, Cal has struggled to compete in the Pac-12. The Bears’ last winning season was in 2016-17. The last time Cal was in the NCAA tournament was in 2013; ironically the Bears were ousted in the second round that year by Syracuse. Cal hasn’t advanced to the second weekend of the NCAA tournament since 1997.

Cal’s women’s basketball team made it to the Final Four in 2013, but haven’t been to the tournament since 2019.

The school has produced nearly 300 individual NCAA champions thanks mainly to men’s and women’s swimming, rowing and track and field.

Stanford
Stanford boasts the most successful athletic program in the country having won the NACDA Directors’ Cup in 26 of the award’s 29 years. The school has won 134 NCAA team championships; more than any other school. Stanford’s list of athletic alums includes Tiger Woods, John Elway, Katie Ledecky, Mike Mussina and John McEnroe.

Under former coach David Shaw, Stanford’s football teams enjoyed 10 straight winning seasons from 2009 to 2018, but the Cardinal have had losing records in each of the last four years. Stanford’s last bowl appearance came in the 2018 Sun Bowl.

Stanford’s basketball program has had success in the past, but the Cardinal haven’t been to the NCAA tournament since 2014. Stanford has struggled to just three winning seasons in seven years under current head coach Jerod Haase.

Stanford’s women’s basketball program is led by Hall of Fame coach Tara VanDerveer. Her teams have won three NCAA titles, including most recently in 2021.

The women’s tennis program has won 20 of the last 41 NCAA titles. The women’s soccer team has recently won NCAA titles in 2011, 2017 and 2019. The men’s soccer team won national titles in 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Of course, Stanford’s golf progam is known for Tiger Woods, but on the women’s side, Rose Zhang won the individual title in 2022 and 2023. She was the first two-time winner in women’s golf.

Southern Method University
SMU has enjoyed four straight winning seasons, including three bowl appearances in the last seven years.

The SMU basketball program has been to the NCAA tournament just twice since 1993 and the Mustangs’ last NCAA win came in the 1988 tournament.

The women’s basketball team hasn’t fared much better. SMU has had just one winning season in the last 10 years. The Mustangs’ last NCAA appearance came in 2008 and their last win was in the 2000 NCAA tournament.

The men’s soccer team is a national contender and the women’s soccer team is currently ranked.

Bryson DeChambeau was the NCAA’s individual golf champion in 2015.

ACC REALIGNED TALENT:
How would new football teams fit in the ACC? Each of their football talent composite scores compare favorably in the ACC:

LMAO at this. NCSU beat UNC, Clemson and Miami and I dare say will beat the crap out of Cal and Stanford next year. Then consider Dook beat NCSU. Virginia and GT beat UNC. Dook beat Clemson...etc etc.

Nothing is more ridiculous than recruiting rankings.

That is an awfully nice half glass full article.

(01-10-2024 10:44 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  That is an awfully nice half glass full article.

I guess we can agree there are two sides of looking at the current ACC situation: glass half full or glass half empty.

Despite all the current disagreements regarding FSU & the ACC, one thing we should be able to agree upon is how all the ACC Naysayers in 2011 and 2012 who told the future about the ACC demise before 2020 and never getting a Linear Network channel sure were wrong! I find it funny how the ACC has been stable until recently (FSU Lawsuit) but we have seen the Pac12 die and the Big12 on life support in the last 24 months!

I am looking forward to the Ireland trip and matchup in 2024! Hope to see you there! Go Jackets!

Give Stan and Cal 5 games each like ND. In this scenario ND could play each of them annually and not count against the 5 game agreement with the ACC. This would reduce travel for at least the football teams. With that the ACC could drop down to 7 conference games with 15 football members, rotate Stan, Cal and ND and that comes out to one of these opponents every year and cycle through these teams h&h every 9 years.

The schedules could be 3 annuals for everybody, the other 4 games with the other 11 teams can be managed. Adding another full time member makes things a little more streamlined with a 3 (annual)-4-4-4 conference schedule.

(01-15-2024 09:40 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

Which is good and all for those non-rev sports, but at the cost of being better at football and basketball.

(01-09-2024 03:17 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:41 AM)Garrettabc Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:18 AM)Hallcity Wrote:  Stanford has released its annual athletics report. For FY 2023 it had $137 million in revenues and $158 million in expenses. This included $25 million in broadcast rights that they won't have once they join the ACC. They already receive $12 million a year from the university.

Stanford's largest source of revenues is endowment payouts of $44 million. If we assume a payout rate of 4-6%, that would indicate an athletic endowment of $670 million to $1.1 billion.

You'd like to think that Stanford could just dip into the endowment to cover expenses but it's more complicated than that. University endowments aren't just one big pot of money. They're a collection of many smaller pots of money dedicated to cover specific expenses, such as an endowment to cover the head football coach's salary.

As a member of the ACC, Stanford will have serious money problems.

I assume Cal is not any better, probably a little worse.

I said this once in other places, but I'll say it again. I'm embarrassed for Stan, Cal and SMU that they are taking a 30% share or less. I don't know how they'll stay competitive or even keep the status quo taking that much of a pay cut. In SMU's case, they are already behind athletically in comparison to the rest of the ACC.

I'll even throw this out there again, all travel expenses should be pooled so no schools are spending more on travel than others. This in itself is a form of unequal revenue sharing.

Sh!t .... every school in the ACC would kill to have a fraction of the donor support SMU has.

Just give me one of those heavy hitters at Louisville ....

I understand that those donors just shook the dust off their checkbooks, so it may take a little time for the Ponies to catch up. But NIL and the portal have suddenly made rebuilding efforts microwavable.

Love this quote

But NIL and the portal have suddenly made rebuilding efforts microwavable.

FACT: 2021-2022 or fiscal year 2022 the ACC was paid by ESPN $443.7M for their Television rights. The average payout for the league’s 14 full-time members was $39.4 million — about $10 million less than it was in the Southeastern Conference.

What we will find out in 2022-23 or fiscal year 23 is how much is a full year year of ACC Network fully distributed worth we know it will be more than 443.7M but how much? 25, 50, or 100M??

In fiscal year 24 or 2023-2024 things will stay the same except the TV annual increase of 2 or 4% whatever that is.

However things look really well for the ACC in Fiscal year 2025 or 2024-25. Stanford, California, and SMU join. There is a 72M boost the the TV contract. What we do not know is it 72M to 500M, or 550M? On top of that the ACC Network will add 21.4M "in-state" subscriptions to the $41.7M "in-state" subscriptions making the new total of "in-sate" Subscriber rate to 65.8M via Stanford, Cal and SMU.While we do not have data on what the ACCN is charging for "In state" and "Out of State" subscriptions we do know that exact price point yet however there has been some media coverage on it.

from the Sports Business Journal:
Sources expect ESPN to price the ACC Network similar to SEC Network, which at launch was around $1.30 per subscriber per month in-market and around 25 cents per subscriber per month out-of-market.[https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Journal/Issues/2016/07/25/Media/ESPN-ACC-Network.aspx]

from the twitter:
Sports TV Ratings shared a graphic that the avg fee paid by 92M ACC Network subscribers is .73cents or 67.1M in subscription fees. This of course is before ESPN and ACC Split Advertising dollars.

If it is true that the ACC in-state subscriber rate is $1.30 and the out of state rate is .25 cents like the SBJ reports than by adding Stanford, Cal, and SMU the ACC just found a way to flip 24.1M TV subscribers from Out of state to In State and increase their profit of th e 24.1M by $1.05 or $25.3M and again that is before they talk increase in advertisement dollars that the ACC and ESPN Share.

So you can clearly see how adding Stanford, Cal ad SMU add over 100M to the TV payout to the ACC! (72M via pro rata and another 25M to the ACCN) To keep this contract the ACC has to stay above 14 mbrs (includes ND partial mbrship) So four schools can buy or file a lawsuit to get out of the conf/GOR and the other 14 still get the 600-700M in TV contract payout per year. (there is a chance the total payout could be 900M-950M 2024-25 for the ACC)

I think the ACC will be just fine with Stanford, Cal, and SMU and hope FSU can raise the 500M sooner then later so they can buy there way out ASAP!