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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-02-2024 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
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(01-01-2024 09:09 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  In the end, Michigan overcame its special teams blunders and won it with a great defensive effort.

The real thing i saw was that mich o and d line was SEC calber.

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No question, Michigan was able to go toe-to-toe on both lines vs Alabama.

I think this is a reason why many said this year was one of Saban's best coaching jobs. In years past, Alabama often had an overwhelming talent advantage, especially on the lines. This team didn't, as we saw vs USF some three months ago and against Texas as well.

Quo, if you break a head coaches' job down into 4 roughly equal essential skillsets you have recruitment, hiring of staff, game day decisions, and PR. While Saban doesn't get enough credit for PR, likely due to going off on the press at times, he is actually exactly what an administration at a school wants in a Head Football Coach from a PR perspective. Do you recall the last time a major negative was associated with Saban? I can't. So, check the PR box in spades. Recruiting is excellent. What has sagged for Saban is his most valued assistants have been promoted out and their replacements thus far have been weaker. And I do believe his game day decision making is not as keen as it was.

Saban will be a legend because for most of his career he checked all 4 boxes. Bowden, Paterno, and Bear all declined the same way, in keeping strong assistants, and in maintaining strong game day control. At 70 it is a matter of energy and to stay on top of all aspects of a program that large is extremely taxing. They naturally with age let more responsibility for quality control reside with their coordinators and when that happens focus is lost between departments, and it impacts in game decision making. It's an age issue. And we all suffer it.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-01-2024 11:00 PM)Mister Consistency Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:49 PM)UCGrad1992 Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:48 PM)bronconick Wrote:  QB Power from the 4 yard line. Tommy ****ing Rees.

Yeah, that was a head scratcher call. Thought for sure they'd get the QB out in space to give the option to throw or run it.

I don't think QB power was the original call. They had the left side perfectly blocked on the perimeter and a receiver open in the flat for a walk-in TD on a swing pass, but the snap was so bad that Milroe had no other option but to go forward and hope for the best.

Amazing that Bama went 12-2 this year without a lineman who can snap the ball. Can't say I have seen a title contender struggle with that so consistently in 25+ years of watching college football.

I read an article this morning in the Athletic that QB power was the call all the way. Essentially they lined up for QB power and Michigan didn't like the alignment they were in and call the TO. Once Alabama saw Michigan's new alignment they called a timeout to adjust their blocking scheme, but the play was always going to be QB power.

I think what this shows is that Alabama didn't have the embarrassment of riches at WR, TE, and RB that they have become accustomed to and, in its own way this Playoff appearance is even more remarkable than in years where they've had greater success.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-02-2024 12:22 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(01-02-2024 11:48 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 09:12 PM)shere khan Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 09:09 PM)BeatWestern! Wrote:  In the end, Michigan overcame its special teams blunders and won it with a great defensive effort.

The real thing i saw was that mich o and d line was SEC calber.

07-coffee3

No question, Michigan was able to go toe-to-toe on both lines vs Alabama.

I think this is a reason why many said this year was one of Saban's best coaching jobs. In years past, Alabama often had an overwhelming talent advantage, especially on the lines. This team didn't, as we saw vs USF some three months ago and against Texas as well.

Quo, if you break a head coaches' job down into 4 roughly equal essential skillsets you have recruitment, hiring of staff, game day decisions, and PR. While Saban doesn't get enough credit for PR, likely due to going off on the press at times, he is actually exactly what an administration at a school wants in a Head Football Coach from a PR perspective. Do you recall the last time a major negative was associated with Saban? I can't. So, check the PR box in spades. Recruiting is excellent. What has sagged for Saban is his most valued assistants have been promoted out and their replacements thus far have been weaker. And I do believe his game day decision making is not as keen as it was.

Saban will be a legend because for most of his career he checked all 4 boxes. Bowden, Paterno, and Bear all declined the same way, in keeping strong assistants, and in maintaining strong game day control. At 70 it is a matter of energy and to stay on top of all aspects of a program that large is extremely taxing. The naturally with age let more responsibility for quality control reside with their coordinators and when that happens focus is lost between departments and it impacts in game decision making. It's an age issue. And we all suffer it.

Oh I agree.

IMO Saban is the GOAT head coach, and by some distance. He's won the most national titles, he's done it at two schools, he's won the most major bowl games, and he's done it under far more competitive circumstances than say Bear Bryant did.

Really, despite all his success at Alabama, maybe his biggest impact was at LSU. In 2000 when Saban arrived, LSU was a moribund program, a "bridesmaid" program living off 50 year old glory. They would show the reels of the 1958 national title team and Billy Cannon winning the Heisman with a punt return in 1959 over and over. In the present, they were getting beat like a drum by Steve Spurrier most years. He turned LSU in to a super-power and they have remained a such. Unlocked all the potential there.

So I won't say anything against Saban.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
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(01-01-2024 08:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Jim Harbaugh big-shotting Holly Rowe

he does that **** all the time.

Harbaugh makes Michigan very hard to root for.

Respectfully, I think a lot of people simply misunderstand Jim Harbaugh and misinterpret his actions as “big-timing” or unwilling to answer questions. He is simply incredibly comfortable with who he is and doesn’t need or want spotlight on him personally. He is constantly throwing his players out in front of the media to take the credit and accolades. He is 100% there for his players and doesn’t care to play the media game.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-02-2024 01:03 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 09:12 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Jim Harbaugh big-shotting Holly Rowe

he does that **** all the time.

Harbaugh makes Michigan very hard to root for.

Respectfully, I think a lot of people simply misunderstand Jim Harbaugh and misinterpret his actions as “big-timing” or unwilling to answer questions. He is simply incredibly comfortable with who he is and doesn’t need or want spotlight on him personally. He is constantly throwing his players out in front of the media to take the credit and accolades. He is 100% there for his players and doesn’t care to play the media game.

Harbaugh is a fantastic coach. He was frankly unlucky not to win a Super Bowl with the 49ers teams he put together in the early 2010s. From 2011 - 2013, he had the best team in the league, and that was right in the middle of the Patriots Brady dynasty.

So him winning never surprises me.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-02-2024 01:03 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 09:12 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Jim Harbaugh big-shotting Holly Rowe

he does that **** all the time.

Harbaugh makes Michigan very hard to root for.

Respectfully, I think a lot of people simply misunderstand Jim Harbaugh and misinterpret his actions as “big-timing” or unwilling to answer questions. He is simply incredibly comfortable with who he is and doesn’t need or want spotlight on him personally. He is constantly throwing his players out in front of the media to take the credit and accolades. He is 100% there for his players and doesn’t care to play the media game.

She asks a fair question and he doesn't answer. Sorry but that's a bunch of ****. Then he was asked what was the turnaround during the trophy ceremony and he ******* changes the subject. That's a load of ****.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
For entertainment purposes it's really too bad that Molly McGrath wasn't assigned to that game.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-02-2024 01:07 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-02-2024 01:03 PM)NotoriousOne Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 09:12 PM)UpStreamRedTeam Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:49 PM)stever20 Wrote:  
(01-01-2024 08:48 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Jim Harbaugh big-shotting Holly Rowe

he does that **** all the time.

Harbaugh makes Michigan very hard to root for.

Respectfully, I think a lot of people simply misunderstand Jim Harbaugh and misinterpret his actions as “big-timing” or unwilling to answer questions. He is simply incredibly comfortable with who he is and doesn’t need or want spotlight on him personally. He is constantly throwing his players out in front of the media to take the credit and accolades. He is 100% there for his players and doesn’t care to play the media game.

Harbaugh is a fantastic coach. He was frankly unlucky not to win a Super Bowl with the 49ers teams he put together in the early 2010s. From 2011 - 2013, he had the best team in the league, and that was right in the middle of the Patriots Brady dynasty.

So him winning never surprises me.

?

He made the Super Bowl by winning the NFC once, losing to his brother and Baltimore. Never played Brady in a postseason.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
It looked like some other team stole Alabama's uniforms last night and played in the game. They looked poorly coached on both sides of the ball. The defense blowing assignments and letting up big plays and the O line not knowing who to block on pass plays. I think I saw more mental mistakes last night by Alabama than in the last 5 years combined.

First thing I would do is fire Tommy Rees. It was like Brian Kelley was calling the plays for Alabama. They averaged 6 yards plus when they ran the ball but they kept calling passing plays and the o line couldn't pick up the blitz. How many times did the sacks push them out of fg range? If Alabama lined up and put a hat on hat and ran the ball they win that game.

Luckily I am not a gambler I thought Bama was going to crush Mich.

Alabamas defense wasn't flying around the field like they usually do either.

Now its up to Penix to beat Harbaugh. Go Huskies!
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-02-2024 08:10 PM)Arch Stanton Wrote:  It looked like some other team stole Alabama's uniforms last night and played in the game. They looked poorly coached on both sides of the ball. The defense blowing assignments and letting up big plays and the O line not knowing who to block on pass plays. I think I saw more mental mistakes last night by Alabama than in the last 5 years combined.

First thing I would do is fire Tommy Rees. It was like Brian Kelley was calling the plays for Alabama. They averaged 6 yards plus when they ran the ball but they kept calling passing plays and the o line couldn't pick up the blitz. How many times did the sacks push them out of fg range? If Alabama lined up and put a hat on hat and ran the ball they win that game.

Luckily I am not a gambler I thought Bama was going to crush Mich.

Alabamas defense wasn't flying around the field like they usually do either.

Now its up to Penix to beat Harbaugh. Go Huskies!

Ha! Their signs were stolen! The House always wins!
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No surprise, great ratings for this game. An all-time top 10 cable telecast! -

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Best Semi ratings since Year 1 (wasn't that a massacre?)
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(01-02-2024 10:56 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  Best Semi ratings since Year 1 (wasn't that a massacre?)

the Alabama/Ohio St game that year was the record holder. That was a close game. FSU/Oregon was a massacre.
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
While I was cheering for both teams to lose, I at least have the consolation that the Tide ended the season with a loss while the Vols ended the season with a win.

Go Washington {checks notes} ...Huskies, beat TTUN!!!
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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
Michigan finally has an SEC level defense and O Line. Bama is still the same team that was one play away from losing to Auburn.

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RE: Rose Bowl: #4 Alabama vs #1 Michigan
(01-03-2024 08:57 PM)shere khan Wrote:  Michigan finally has an SEC level defense and O Line. Bama is still the same team that was one play away from losing to Auburn.

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You mean Alabama is the same team that one unreviewed 4th down pass in the final four minutes of the SEC Championship game would have shown a trapped ball that hit the ground and given the Bulldogs the ball and lead with 4 minutes to play and would have been playing Florida State in the Orange Bowl while Georgia took on Michigan? Yes, that was the same Alabama team that had Hugh Freeze brilliantly decide to rush two when the standard 4-man rush had stymied Alabama all night and it gave Alabama's offense enough time, 11 seconds total, 7 seconds on the pass route, for a receiver to break free and for Milroe to throw the ball accurately and with no rush, in order for them to escape with a win. In other words, an Alabama which easily could/should have had 3 losses instead of 1? Yes, that Bama was one play away from playing for another championship and might have if they had ever corrected their game time issues on the sideline. But they didn't and Michigan rightly won.
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