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The NCAA has come out with an in-depth review of its membership history:

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/5/media...ences.aspx
01-05-2024 03:22 PM
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(01-05-2024 03:22 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The NCAA has come out with an in-depth review of its membership history:

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/5/media...ences.aspx

Some interesting info. Thanks for posting, R-Dali.
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(01-05-2024 04:01 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(01-05-2024 03:22 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The NCAA has come out with an in-depth review of its membership history:

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/5/media...ences.aspx

Some interesting info. Thanks for posting, R-Dali.

Yeah, that’s good stuff, perfect for the Silly Season!
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I would’ve never expected the NCAA to actually do this. They must be keenly aware of the exploding popularity of conference realignment.
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I immediately checked my alma mater and our nickname is wrong. The name they used is the name of our mascot.
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It says there's an NCAA Library in Indianapolis that houses all the archives. That must be completely private and not open to the public as I can't find anything on it.
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(01-05-2024 05:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It says there's an NCAA Library in Indianapolis that houses all the archives. That must be completely private and not open to the public as I can't find anything on it.
It's probably a research library, and where they keep their stash of gold bars.
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When you go by the maps on the dashboard, it looks like the NCAA doesn't consider "football only" members as part of that conference.

No Idaho or Utah State on the Sun Belt map (UTA, Little Rock, and Denver are there).
No Army or Navy on the AAC map (Wichita State is there).
No Hawaii on the Mountain West map.

Wonder what was behind that decision.
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They did not list any schools that are no longer in operations anymore either, plus they don't count schools before the day. Kansas and Kansas State along with Wichita State were like founders of the all Kansas NAIA conference.
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(01-05-2024 03:22 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The NCAA has come out with an in-depth review of its membership history:

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/5/media...ences.aspx

This membership directory has been available for some time. An interesting feature is the ability to select by sport for those doing field hockey, lacrosse, and bowling realignment.

https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/5/3/mem...ctory.aspx
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(01-06-2024 03:46 PM)Yosef181 Wrote:  When you go by the maps on the dashboard, it looks like the NCAA doesn't consider "football only" members as part of that conference.

No Idaho or Utah State on the Sun Belt map (UTA, Little Rock, and Denver are there).
No Army or Navy on the AAC map (Wichita State is there).
No Hawaii on the Mountain West map.

Wonder what was behind that decision.
The same one that shows a certain school in northern Indiana as being a member of the Atlantic Coast Conference.
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(01-05-2024 04:04 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-05-2024 04:01 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  
(01-05-2024 03:22 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  The NCAA has come out with an in-depth review of its membership history:

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2024/1/5/media...ences.aspx

Some interesting info. Thanks for posting, R-Dali.

Yeah, that’s good stuff, perfect for the Silly Season!
Some interesting discoveries:

(1) The NCAA membership map for 1938 does not have two of the current PAC-12 schools. It did have 3 WCC schools.

(2) If you select a conference (e.g. ASUN) it shows all current and former members. In the case of the ASUN this includes when it was the TRAA, You can then select a year to show the members.

(3) I clicked on The Texas Athletic Conference. It showed 5 schools in Texas and one in Massachusetts. Some weird affiliation? But Texas doesn't do field hockey and this was in the 1930s. Football? A school in Boston affiliating with a bunch of Texas football schools? That is as far fetched as schools in British Columbia or northern Washington playing football with Texas schools.

It turns out that Hardin-Simmons in Abilene was just Simmons University until 1934 when it changed its name in honor of benefactors John and Mary Hardin. Mary Hardin is the same "Mary Hardin" as in Mary Hardin-Baylor. John Hardin was a storekeeper who invested in land that happened to be on top of the Burkburnett oil field. At one time, there were 300 producing wells on his property. With their newfound wealth the Hardin's released the mortgages they held on about 1/4 the properties in Burkburnett, helped build churches, retired the local public school debt, and built a power plant which they donated to the community.

They helped fund Hardin Junior College in nearby Wichita Falls. This later became Hardin College with the addition of a senior division, and eventually Midwestern State University. In addition to Hardin-Simmons, Mary Hardin-Baylor, and Midwestern State, the Hardin's contributed to Howard Payne and Abilene Christian.

Just plain Simmons University is in Boston.

(4) The definite article "The" is definitely part of the name of The University of Tulsa (TUT).

One can imagine the blue-clad fans on one side of Skelly Stadium shouting "TTTEEEEEE" creating a stiff breeze across the field.

The gold-clad fans opposite respond with a bass-throated YOOOOUUUUUWWW that thunders back like a gale force wind.

Those in shout back TTTTTTEEEEEEEEE bending the masts flying the hurricane warning flags on the other side.

What is next? The earth splitting as if the stadium were astride the San Andreas Fault like at Cal? (technically the Hayward Fault, but this is my story).

The fans in gold are sitting quietly, ankles crossed, hands folded in their lap, a slightly bemused smile (no teeth or laughter).

(5) Other schools with a definite "The".

The Citadel, of course.

That School Up North: The University of the South, (Sewanee). I'm in Houston. Tennesee is north.

Also That Other That School Up North in the state so extremely northern that it borders Michigan.

And, The University of North Carolina at Charlotte and The University of North Carolina at Greensboro. The campuses at Asheville, Wilmington, Pembroke, and near Durham do not rate a definite article, though the one in Chapel Hill adds a comma, as in "UNC,CH"
or "CHUNC". If I were CHUNC I'd probably go by Carolina too.
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(01-06-2024 04:45 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  They did not list any schools that are no longer in operations anymore either, plus they don't count schools before the day. Kansas and Kansas State along with Wichita State were like founders of the all Kansas NAIA conference.
Which schools?

I was thinking that if you did conferences for a particular year, it would show members that were no longer NCAA nor had sports. I tried The Summit League and it had Northeastern Illinois. But then I did the search by school and it does have Northeastern Illinois, and it also shows the years that the school was an NCAA member.

They likely have one record per school-year with the conference (if any), the division, the school name on the membership rolls. They they then have records for each school, along with its location: city, state, and lat-long, and current nickname (e.g., North Dakota is the Fighting Hawks).

If you follow a school whose name has changed over the years it shows the name changes.

The NCAA likely had interns doing all the data entry from typewritten pages. I've seen typewritten lists from the Phog Allen papers for the list of schools eligible for the first NCAAT in 1938. If they did not have the locations it would have been difficult to determine what the schools were.

You mentioned NAIA. This is based on the NCAA records. While some schools were dual membership this would only show the NCAA membership. The RMAC disappears during the period they were in the NAIA until the return to DII.
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(01-06-2024 03:28 PM)jimrtex Wrote:  
(01-05-2024 05:55 PM)IWokeUpLikeThis Wrote:  It says there's an NCAA Library in Indianapolis that houses all the archives. That must be completely private and not open to the public as I can't find anything on it.
It's probably a research library, and where they keep their stash of gold bars.

I can think of a certain Senator from Rutgers' state who probably wishes he had stashed his gold bars in a research library...
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Speaking of time wasting, here's something I've been working on for years. I had shared this with teamvsn, and now, I present you this in full: A (mostly) complete listing of members that have ever been part of the National Association of Intercollegiate Basketball/Athletics.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mZGS...uW9i4/edit
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(01-08-2024 10:10 PM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Speaking of time wasting, here's something I've been working on for years. I had shared this with teamvsn, and now, I present you this in full: A (mostly) complete listing of members that have ever been part of the National Association of Intercollegiate Basketball/Athletics.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mZGS...uW9i4/edit
The NCAA dashboard was built on tableau. There is a public option which might let you add more graphical information.
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