(01-09-2024 10:13 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  In terms of OOC schedules

USF is @Alabama and hosts Miami
Memphis is @Florida State, hosts Troy
Boise is @Oregon, has both Wazzuu and Oregon State and also plays @Georgia Southern
Miami (OH) is @Notre Dame, @Northwestern and is home to Cincinnati
Liberty is @App State and hosts ECU
Troy is @Iowa, @Memphis and hosts Nevada

While the cross G5 conference games are interesting, I don't see them gaining any national recognition. Looks like Liberty has the easiest schedule of those listed (never mind their conference schedule).

If Boise State's top transfer QB pans out next year and takes down Oregon? They might be back to the way Peterson ran the boat which means they may actually get the love and be ranked in the top 10 if they run it?

I'll throw Toledo out there. UMASS, @MissSt, @WKU. They have an easy enough schedule and if they do pull off the win against Miss State they likely deserve the spot.

The main suspects
AAC - Army, Memphis and UTSA
CUSA - Liberty, WKU and JaX State
MAC - Toledo, Miami and Ohio
MWC - Fresno, Boise and Air Force
SBC - App, Troy and JMU

Would not count out much of anyone. G5 this year was about as even as you will see, not much of a gap from top to bottom.

(01-09-2024 06:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 06:24 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Still waiting on the 7-5 model to be adopted. At this point its still 6-6.

This guy is picking Tulane and Boise. Both. Based on it presently being 6-6

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...24-season/

I'm concerned for WSU/OSU, I think that they're the ones holding things up. If the rest of the Conferences offered them something worthwhile then they'd certainly be willing to deal, but it's possible that we just muddle through with a 6-6 format for 2 years.

As long as there is still 12 conferences it should be 6-6. If the PAC actually disappears then we can move to a 5-7 format.

IMHO, it's way to early to put much thought into this. There's still a LOT of moving pieces.

(01-10-2024 10:39 AM)b2b Wrote:  IMHO, it's way to early to put much thought into this. There's still a LOT of moving pieces.

Haha...like App State's punter going to ECU?

In reality there are just pieces, outside of the QB (and maybe a punter), the main changes are just depth type changes.

(01-10-2024 08:29 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 06:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 06:24 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Still waiting on the 7-5 model to be adopted. At this point its still 6-6.

This guy is picking Tulane and Boise. Both. Based on it presently being 6-6

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...24-season/

I'm concerned for WSU/OSU, I think that they're the ones holding things up. If the rest of the Conferences offered them something worthwhile then they'd certainly be willing to deal, but it's possible that we just muddle through with a 6-6 format for 2 years.

As long as there is still 12 conferences it should be 6-6. If the PAC actually disappears then we can move to a 5-7 format.

The PAC wouldnt qualify this year due to non-compliance. They would also probably not qualify next year because its doubtful they could get to compliance in that year either.

(01-11-2024 03:01 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-10-2024 08:29 AM)ballantyneapp Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 06:40 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 06:24 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  Still waiting on the 7-5 model to be adopted. At this point its still 6-6.

This guy is picking Tulane and Boise. Both. Based on it presently being 6-6

https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...24-season/

I'm concerned for WSU/OSU, I think that they're the ones holding things up. If the rest of the Conferences offered them something worthwhile then they'd certainly be willing to deal, but it's possible that we just muddle through with a 6-6 format for 2 years.

As long as there is still 12 conferences it should be 6-6. If the PAC actually disappears then we can move to a 5-7 format.

The PAC wouldnt qualify this year due to non-compliance. They would also probably not qualify next year because its doubtful they could get to compliance in that year either.

I'm still trying to figure out where the 12 conferences are. I'm counting 10 with the PAC-2 and its really 9 now.

The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

(01-12-2024 07:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

While I agree with you the AAC isnt the front runner, OOC isnt a good measuring stick. Some conferences have teams who do not play FCS schools and play multiple top 10 schools.

Bowl season has shown G5 is a bunch of close to even teams. Its wide open and this should make for a lot of excitement and entertaining troll post next season.

Can you imagine your top team getting manhandled by MWC team? Works against us all.

(01-12-2024 08:06 AM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  

(01-12-2024 07:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

While I agree with you the AAC isnt the front runner, OOC isnt a good measuring stick. Some conferences have teams who do not play FCS schools and play multiple top 10 schools.

Bowl season has shown G5 is a bunch of close to even teams. Its wide open and this should make for a lot of excitement and entertaining troll post next season.

Can you imagine your top team getting manhandled by MWC team? Works against us all.

1. That's where SoS comes into play. That's how we get rankings like Massey, which has the American well behind the Sun Belt and Mountain West:
https://masseyratings.com/cf/fbs/ratings?c=1

And the Saragin ratings, which has the AAC behind the Sun Belt East, Sun Belt West, and Mountain West:
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm

And the Colley Matrix, which has the AAC behind the Sun Belt, Mountain West, and Conference USA:
https://www.colleyrankings.com/curconf.html

2. If you find troll posts exciting, um, more power to you. Some people live for that mindless drama.

3. Can I imagine my team getting "manhandled" by a MWC team? Sure, we lost to one this year. One game between two teams doesn't reflect overall conference strength.

4. Even if we limited the list to non-conference record against other G5s...

1) Mountain West - 0.611 (11-7)
2) Sun Belt - 0.552 (16-13)
3 (tie) Conference USA - 0.500 (9-9)
3 (tie) American - 0.500 (10-10)
5) MAC - 0.294 (5-12)

...the AAC is still tied for 3rd, not "the top dog". Sure, there's some parity in every level of college football, but if you're trying to say the Mountain West and MAC are essentially the same when it comes to on-field quality, I disagree. If you said the same thing about the SEC and ACC, would you believe yourself? I wouldn't.

(01-09-2024 09:54 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I know its early but it won't be long before the conference pre-season rankings are out. This season it appears to be somewhat wide open for the G5 spot and this year it will be access into the CFP.

What we know

SMU is gone to the ACC, Army is in the American

2023 Winners

American-SMU
CUSA-Liberty
MAC-Miami (OH)
Sun Belt-Troy
Mountain West-Boise

You would have to keep all of these title winners as contenders in 2024. I would replace SMU with Memphis coming off their Liberty Bowl win and returning their QB.

I think some others to keep an eye on.

USF in the American. Beating Syracuse 45-0 was a statement. USF made significant progress this season and looks to have some swagger going in to 2024.

UNLV in the MWC. UNLV seems to have momentum as a program. They lost their bowl game to Kansas 49-36 but they seem to be moving in the right direction. Playing in Allegiant Stadium is a game changer for the program. Also their non conference is manageable, with games at Houston, at Kansas and home against Army (plus a FCS). They host Boise, Fresno and SDSU and go to Oregon St. Difficult yet manageable. And the MWC CCG is at Allegiant.

Not to mention, SMU will be in the ACC in July, lol.

(01-12-2024 09:20 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-09-2024 09:54 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I know its early but it won't be long before the conference pre-season rankings are out. This season it appears to be somewhat wide open for the G5 spot and this year it will be access into the CFP.

What we know

SMU is gone to the ACC, Army is in the American

2023 Winners

American-SMU
CUSA-Liberty
MAC-Miami (OH)
Sun Belt-Troy
Mountain West-Boise

You would have to keep all of these title winners as contenders in 2024. I would replace SMU with Memphis coming off their Liberty Bowl win and returning their QB.

I think some others to keep an eye on.

USF in the American. Beating Syracuse 45-0 was a statement. USF made significant progress this season and looks to have some swagger going in to 2024.

UNLV in the MWC. UNLV seems to have momentum as a program. They lost their bowl game to Kansas 49-36 but they seem to be moving in the right direction. Playing in Allegiant Stadium is a game changer for the program. Also their non conference is manageable, with games at Houston, at Kansas and home against Army (plus a FCS). They host Boise, Fresno and SDSU and go to Oregon St. Difficult yet manageable. And the MWC CCG is at Allegiant.

Not to mention, SMU will be in the ACC in July, lol.

That was more a comment of who I was replacing SMU with. I am saying I think Memphis is the front runner over Tulane or others. But lots of national pundits have named Tulane.

I like to go with what we know and what we know is that Memphis returns its coach and QB. We also know that Tulane does not.

Also see the bold at the beginning of my post.

(01-12-2024 07:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

The only thing that matters is the single highest ranked single champion. All the bs chest pounding about who's the best G5 conference doesn't mean crap. The CFP folks couldn't care less about that at the G5 level. The SBC is probably a more "fun" conference fwiw.

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(01-12-2024 10:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-12-2024 07:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

The only thing that matters is the single highest ranked single champion. All the bs chest pounding about who's the best G5 conference doesn't mean crap. The CFP folks couldn't care less about that at the G5 level. The SBC is probably a more "fun" conference fwiw.

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The unequal CFP payout to G5 conferences based on performance says otherwise. If I remember correctly, the best conference receives 5/15ths of the overall G5 share, the second-best receives 4/15ths of it, and it gradually decreases until you get to the worst conference, who receives 1/15th of it. The last I saw, the value of 1/15th share was well over $1 Million.

And I think you meant to reply to thewavefan, not me? That's who is trolling by "chest pounding" about being the best G5 conference. I simply provided evidence to refute his claim.

(01-12-2024 07:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

Historically this has been the AAC bowl. My point was that until another conference has the track record of excellence that the AAC does then the casual fan must assume the team from the AAC has the best shot. If you don’t like that, then prove it by having your conference take the spot 6-8 times over the next 9 years.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here. If a G5 school plays an exclusive G5 schedule with no OOC P5 matchups like Liberty recently did, they should be disqualified from the playoffs going forward.

(01-12-2024 10:28 AM)b2b Wrote:  

(01-12-2024 07:20 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  

(01-11-2024 09:30 PM)Thewavefan Wrote:  The AAC is still firmly in control of who gets the spot. We are still the top dog until proven otherwise. It will be a lot of fun to see who rises up. Counting down the days until next season.

I know you're a troll, but I'll respond anyway. The AAC finishing 9th out of the 10 conferences in overall non-conference winning percentage this year has proven otherwise.

1) SEC - 0.769 (50-15)
2) Pac-12 - 0.755 (34-11)
3) Big Ten - 0.750 (39-13)
4) Big 12 - 0.686 (35-16)
5) ACC - 0.656 (44-23)
6) Sun Belt - 0.574 (39-29)
7) Mountain West - 0.500 (28-28)
8) Conference USA - 0.488 (20-21)
9) American - 0.435 (27-35)
10) MAC - 0.407 (22-32)

Imagine performing worse than Conference USA and believing you're still "the top dog"

I don't know what reality you're trying to live in, but it isn't real.

The only thing that matters is the single highest ranked single champion. All the bs chest pounding about who's the best G5 conference doesn't mean crap. The CFP folks couldn't care less about that at the G5 level. The SBC is probably a more "fun" conference fwiw.

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Agreed there. We saw that with Liberty this year. Certainly CUSA wasn't the highest rated conference.

WAY TOO MANY fans beat the chest of their conference like it means something when it comes to playoffs. It doesn't. Teams are looked at based on their schedules and how they performed. With these bloated conferences, sometimes you have an easy path to the CG. That is supposed to be factored in and the whole schedule looked at. In every sport. That is why many "supposed" great basketball conferences might only get 3 bids in a year because they really only had 3 really good teams...many others were just average (or just above average).

(01-09-2024 09:54 AM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  I know its early but it won't be long before the conference pre-season rankings are out. This season it appears to be somewhat wide open for the G5 spot and this year it will be access into the CFP.

What we know

SMU is gone to the ACC, Army is in the American

2023 Winners

American-SMU
CUSA-Liberty
MAC-Miami (OH)
Sun Belt-Troy
Mountain West-Boise

You would have to keep all of these title winners as contenders in 2024. I would replace SMU with Memphis coming off their Liberty Bowl win and returning their QB.

I think some others to keep an eye on.

USF in the American. Beating Syracuse 45-0 was a statement. USF made significant progress this season and looks to have some swagger going in to 2024.

UNLV in the MWC. UNLV seems to have momentum as a program. They lost their bowl game to Kansas 49-36 but they seem to be moving in the right direction. Playing in Allegiant Stadium is a game changer for the program. Also their non conference is manageable, with games at Houston, at Kansas and home against Army (plus a FCS). They host Boise, Fresno and SDSU and go to Oregon St. Difficult yet manageable. And the MWC CCG is at Allegiant.

The mwc CCG is at the home of the higher seed. It was at Allegiant because UNLV hosted