(01-17-2024 03:07 PM)GoodOwl Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 02:52 PM)olliebaba Wrote:  GoodOwl, some of your suggestions are doable and some are not. Electrical fences would not be approved by either party.

Changing the 14th amendment would never pass if the Demons have the numbers in Congress. Do you think they would vote for eliminating their voters? Nah, I don't think so.

Arresting wrong doers? How will that happen if most DAsses rule in Liberal cities?

But, there is already a law prohibiting illegal aliens and sending them back that should be the most important function that needs to be implemented. "Poco a poco", little by little if need be.

You're not wrong, ollie, but these are doable suggestions to help the problem start solving iteself. Take away their access to healthcare if the providers so choose and schools if the school so chooses (including college, trade schools, job training, et cetera) and see how many will turn tail back to whence they came.

The thing that few talk about is how there are many Legal American citizens who happen to be from some of the same countries these folks barged in from, who actually spent years correctly going through the Legal process of American Citizenship, yet they are tainted and mistakenly associated with these hordes of folks swarming the borders and infiltrating our cities and States. It is patently unfair to every Citizen who patiently goes through the Legal process of Citizenship that these other folks get their criminal border-crossing behavior ignored.

after a hooty-hoo, I gots ta tinkin' ... I need legal help here ... what's to stop any state from filing v. US to petition such?

(01-17-2024 12:52 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 12:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 09:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 08:57 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I disagree with Miller, but mostly because I have to.

So how do you see this turning around?

And it's not just happening in this country. It's a cabal of major corporations, financial institutions, universities, the media, governments, etc.

They have been infiltrated and taken over across decades, and rooting them all out and retaking power on more than a temporary basis in isolated cases, seems unlikely.

Unless we have a freaking hot civil war, or some such apocalyptic outcome.

Its doesnt take a civil war. Look at how scared those politicians were on Jan6th. That was just a few thousand old folks armed with canes. Marie Antoinette thought things would always be going her way as well. It really doesnt take violence or blood shed. Mass organized protests is all it takes (see the farmers in Germany). American truckers could bring the nation to its knees in just 3 or 4 days. The problem is things have to get really really bad (waaaaay worse than they are now) before that kind of organized protest occurs on a mass scale.

What do you think the prosecution of Jan 6th was about? It wasn't because of the so called crimes....

its to show working Americans, we can take everything you have and put you in prison if you step out of line against us. Most of us look at these people at being basically stupid by their actions.

The one thing they know 100% working America fears losing what they have and especially their freedom. More than the freedom the government is taking away today.

The prosecution of Jan 6th was to show unless you are welling to lose everything. Know your place. It will be decades before working America does anything other than to try and vote them out.

If republicans ever gain full control and have the balls to do what the government did to those on Jan 6th. You will see the rioting and looting stop from those people that dont think they have much to lose....

even people that dont value losing what they own. Value having their freedom taken away for years.

Republicans don't have the balls or a backbone to stand up to it. Yet, like democrats, we the people still vote them into office knowing full well when they have control they do nothing. When they dont have control they shout from the roof tops about putting in laws they know will never pass.

BTW, we dont need new laws...enforce the ones we have.

The funny thing is the truckers wouldnt not have to do anything but sit at home and watch tv (rather than driving trucks). The power of the average "nobody" American worker simply doing nothing is under estimated by almost everyone. That said, it takes almost all of them working together to accomplish a political goal----and things have to get much much worse before that happens---but the ruling elite seem to think its impossible. I assure you----its not impossible---it just takes the right conditions.

you would have to get the truckers to agree to it and I don't think that they would want their families to suffer to prove a political point. remember that as head of the family a man/woman has to work to feed their children...and them.

(01-17-2024 03:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is the truckers wouldnt not have to do anything but sit at home and watch tv (rather than driving trucks). The power of the average "nobody" American worker simply doing nothing is under estimated by almost everyone. That said, it takes almost all of them working together to accomplish a political goal----and things have to get much much worse before that happens---but the ruling elite seem to think its impossible. I assure you----its not impossible---it just takes the right conditions.

Unfortunately a significant portion of the Right also believe it impossible.

(01-17-2024 02:16 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 01:38 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 12:22 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 09:39 AM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 08:57 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  I disagree with Miller, but mostly because I have to.

So how do you see this turning around?

And it's not just happening in this country. It's a cabal of major corporations, financial institutions, universities, the media, governments, etc.

They have been infiltrated and taken over across decades, and rooting them all out and retaking power on more than a temporary basis in isolated cases, seems unlikely.

Unless we have a freaking hot civil war, or some such apocalyptic outcome.

Its doesnt take a civil war. Look at how scared those politicians were on Jan6th. That was just a few thousand old folks armed with canes. Marie Antoinette thought things would always be going her way as well. It really doesnt take violence or blood shed. Mass organized protests is all it takes (see the farmers in Germany). American truckers could bring the nation to its knees in just 3 or 4 days. The problem is things have to get really really bad (waaaaay worse than they are now) before that kind of organized protest occurs on a mass scale.

You have more faith in Americans than I do. IMO, by the time enough people realize what's up, it will be way too late, which is what Dennis Miller was saying. In fact, he thinks it is too late now, b/c he sees no way to fix it.

in the scope of today's politics, neither does thine...

#feudalism = #globohomo-ism

I'll have a beer with you and Dennis in Costa Rica anytime! Or even in the 'Sip, until the time comes.

(01-17-2024 03:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 01:40 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 12:28 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 08:47 AM)TripleA Wrote:  I used to love Miller's stand-up routines, and later, his take on all things political. He's a funny dude, and very clever.

Last night, he explained why he dropped out of sight, and stopped with both his comedy and his political commentary.

He said sane people have already lost the battle. This country is done, and the idiots are now in charge. He said he sees no way for us to regain our country, and he doesn't think anybody else knows how to fix it, either.

He was pretty much resigned to the worst.

It struck me that maybe he has been having a few beers with Stink.

And me

"And me," meaning you're resigned to the worst, or "and me" meaning having a few beers with Stink and Miller?

Both i guess

Ha, why did I even ask? I already knew the answer.

(01-17-2024 03:55 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-17-2024 03:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The funny thing is the truckers wouldnt not have to do anything but sit at home and watch tv (rather than driving trucks). The power of the average "nobody" American worker simply doing nothing is under estimated by almost everyone. That said, it takes almost all of them working together to accomplish a political goal----and things have to get much much worse before that happens---but the ruling elite seem to think its impossible. I assure you----its not impossible---it just takes the right conditions.

Unfortunately a significant portion of the Right also believe it impossible.

You seem to think that assessing the situation and thinking it's going to be hard to stop these maniacs equates to rolling over and giving up.

You obviously don't know a lot of us well enough. I would fight to the death even today at my advanced age for my freedom. I have put myself in that position in the military before, during Nam.

But you're missing the point. We're not cowards. We simply think a lot on our side aren't going to wake up in time to help us fight the battle, until the idiots have enough power, and are so entrenched in the institutions that matter (if they aren't already), to make it difficult, if not impossible.

Do we have equal justice under the law now? NO. We have J6 "insurrectionists" rotting in prison now. Who is doing anything about that? No freaking body.

We have cities overrun by crime to the point that companies are moving out. Who is doing anything about that? Nobody.

We have the president's son running a bribery scheme and getting paid off by our enemies. Who is doing anything about that? Nobody, so far.

We are spending multi-trillions on BS crap like protecting Ukraine's border, to the point that we're going to eventually devalue the US dollar and crash the economy on a scale that will make the Great Depression look like a picnic. And nobody is doing anything about it.

Our border is completely broken, we are overrun now with millions who want to destroy us from within, or at least don't give a crap about our culture, and nobody is doing anything about it.

When the hell are you and I and everybody else going to START doing anything about it? I don't see it.

I likely won't live long enough for it to matter, anyway. But I feel terrible for my grandkids and great grandson.

C'mon Andy, that was not aimed at you, nor anyone else in particular. I was just talking about folks in general. We go way back, you gotta know how much I respect you.

(01-17-2024 05:16 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  C'mon Andy, that was not aimed at you, nor anyone else in particular. I was just talking about folks in general. We go way back, you gotta know how much I respect you.

Fair enough. It's a subject I'm sensitive about, especially considering how I was treated by civilians when I returned home after my 4 years in the Navy during the Nam era.

Now I see lots of civilians with even worse attitudes about our country. They have been taught to hate, and try to destroy, the very country that gives them the best life possible. Imbeciles.