(01-19-2024 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Oh, and don't be surprised if the SEC takes not only UNC and NC State, but Duke also if the ACC gets antsy. Frankly, once FSU is taken care of I don't believe there will be a great push by any of the others to leave the ACC. And that is what is also best for the SEC. Therefore I see this move by the North Carolina University Board of Governors to be the establishment of an anchor rather than a request for a dual pick up.[/size][/b]

UNC's trustees are not sounding very anchored.

https://247sports.com/college/north-caro...226340360/

(01-29-2024 11:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Oh, and don't be surprised if the SEC takes not only UNC and NC State, but Duke also if the ACC gets antsy. Frankly, once FSU is taken care of I don't believe there will be a great push by any of the others to leave the ACC. And that is what is also best for the SEC. Therefore I see this move by the North Carolina University Board of Governors to be the establishment of an anchor rather than a request for a dual pick up.[/size][/b]

UNC's trustees are not sounding very anchored.

https://247sports.com/college/north-caro...226340360/

Well, it's nice to see the SEC is projected to be earning 13 million more per school by 2029 than the Big 10 in media revenue. I saw another such projection a year ago and marked it but it had the Big 10 hitting 100 million and the SEC hitting around 108 and I don't remember what year that one had zeroed in as their target date.

I will gladly admit that if UNC bails on the ACC it will begin a run and one to which Dandy Don Meredith's ghost will sing Turn Out the Lights the Party's Over!

(01-30-2024 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 11:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Oh, and don't be surprised if the SEC takes not only UNC and NC State, but Duke also if the ACC gets antsy. Frankly, once FSU is taken care of I don't believe there will be a great push by any of the others to leave the ACC. And that is what is also best for the SEC. Therefore I see this move by the North Carolina University Board of Governors to be the establishment of an anchor rather than a request for a dual pick up.[/size][/b]

UNC's trustees are not sounding very anchored.

https://247sports.com/college/north-caro...226340360/

Well, it's nice to see the SEC is projected to be earning 13 million more per school by 2029 than the Big 10 in media revenue. I saw another such projection a year ago and marked it but it had the Big 10 hitting 100 million and the SEC hitting around 108 and I don't remember what year that one had zeroed in as their target date.

I will gladly admit that if UNC bails on the ACC it will begin a run and one to which Dandy Don Meredith's ghost will sing Turn Out the Lights the Party's Over!

Indeed. The ACC can still vote to dissolve or merge into a larger M league before the three new schools have a vote. If the money is there to provide every school a landing spot at equal or better revenue...

(01-30-2024 02:57 AM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-30-2024 12:23 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 11:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Oh, and don't be surprised if the SEC takes not only UNC and NC State, but Duke also if the ACC gets antsy. Frankly, once FSU is taken care of I don't believe there will be a great push by any of the others to leave the ACC. And that is what is also best for the SEC. Therefore I see this move by the North Carolina University Board of Governors to be the establishment of an anchor rather than a request for a dual pick up.[/size][/b]

UNC's trustees are not sounding very anchored.

https://247sports.com/college/north-caro...226340360/

Well, it's nice to see the SEC is projected to be earning 13 million more per school by 2029 than the Big 10 in media revenue. I saw another such projection a year ago and marked it but it had the Big 10 hitting 100 million and the SEC hitting around 108 and I don't remember what year that one had zeroed in as their target date.

I will gladly admit that if UNC bails on the ACC it will begin a run and one to which Dandy Don Meredith's ghost will sing Turn Out the Lights the Party's Over!

Indeed. The ACC can still vote to dissolve or merge into a larger M league before the three new schools have a vote. If the money is there to provide every school a landing spot at equal or better revenue...

That once M7 actually first gave an impression there were seven ACC in waiting to be swooped up into the SEC or BIG, and each had “indications” they would be absorbed once the pesky GoR was modified or even terminated. The realty is that FSU, UNC, and Clemson, “appeared” to have substantive dialogue with the P2 regarding their prospects for moving; a Virginia and Miami had “conversations”, but nothing specific was dangling before them.

One ACC member has surprised me in all this: Georgia Tech. Years back, didn’t Georgia Tech have an open dispute with the ACC over a matter? My memory is fuzzy on this. Recent years, GT, comparatively, has been investing less in their athletic programs, and are resigned to stay in the ACC. The ambition to go to the P2 doesn’t show.

With no real M7, and it wouldn’t be a majority, it would have been enough to force the ACC to place the GoR on the table for deep dialogue. Of course the “we can’t change a contract” argument will dominate, but they do have the power to change facets of it, if not a major overhaul. Now, a couple of those original M7, may not want to mess with the GoR at all.

Being too inflexible is going to hurt the ACC long term. The PAC12 was seen as invincible just a few years ago, and it imploded in short order. The rigidity and poor management led to the PAC’s demise.

While Notre Dame is an ACC member with football independence, they sure have a lot to say and influence concerning ACC football. That’s not a GoR toss-out school.

Letting FSU do the GoR and ACC exit fight alone, then demand as much money from it as they can, is the worst path for the ACC. FSU establishes the precedence, then a few others piggybacking on it and not getting their hands dirty now, is disgusting if they have any intention of leaving the ACC within the next few years.

(01-29-2024 11:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Oh, and don't be surprised if the SEC takes not only UNC and NC State, but Duke also if the ACC gets antsy. Frankly, once FSU is taken care of I don't believe there will be a great push by any of the others to leave the ACC. And that is what is also best for the SEC. Therefore I see this move by the North Carolina University Board of Governors to be the establishment of an anchor rather than a request for a dual pick up.[/size][/b]

UNC's trustees are not sounding very anchored.

https://247sports.com/college/north-caro...226340360/

The writing is on the wall. It's almost embarrassing to see how many refuse to read it.

(01-30-2024 08:45 AM)Lurker Above Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 11:54 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(01-19-2024 08:38 PM)JRsec Wrote:  ....
Oh, and don't be surprised if the SEC takes not only UNC and NC State, but Duke also if the ACC gets antsy. Frankly, once FSU is taken care of I don't believe there will be a great push by any of the others to leave the ACC. And that is what is also best for the SEC. Therefore I see this move by the North Carolina University Board of Governors to be the establishment of an anchor rather than a request for a dual pick up.[/size][/b]

UNC's trustees are not sounding very anchored.

https://247sports.com/college/north-caro...226340360/

The writing is on the wall. It's almost embarrassing to see how many refuse to read it.

Eventually, yes. Right now with the CFP bid looming? Not so much. After the bids are in? Then the networks will know how much they have and how much they want. Right now the problem is minimal. Deal with FSU. The estimate on a 12 game playoff is a payout of 2 billion. If the network(s) keep half the sum will be sufficient to create more movement. If the playoff field expands to 16 that payout will hit 2.7 billion and change. That will be decided by 2026. FSU is looking like a problem that won't keep. The simplest set of moves resolves that. But dragging it out in court might also, we'll see.

(01-21-2024 09:19 AM)TerpsvilleMayor Wrote:  It’s so interesting to me that everyone in this thread are talking about what the SEC and Big Ten and politicians governing specific universities will decide to do when the reality is executives from Fox and ESPN will set up a Zoom to sort this all out.

That's only have true. It depends upon the destination. If it's ESPN and FOX talking, it will still require the involvement of the conference of destination. FSU is an ESPN property, an ACC member school, and if the destination is the SEC only those need be involved, certainly not FOX. If it is the Big 10 it will require ESPN and the ACC and FOX to get it done. And likely ESPN would let Sankey know what is about to happen. It is never simply a network function. ESPN would be guilty of tortuous interference if the ACC wasn't involved whether the other conference is the SEC or Big 10, or whether FOX was involved or not.

For all of this to happen legally FSU must first become a free agent. ESPN might speak with the ACC about this but it's the ACC that has to either win in court or reach a settlement with FSU. If a court decision ESPN will not want to be a party. If a settlement ESPN can certainly have input. Once FSU is free the Big 10 and SEC are free to make a run at them if that's what they desire to do. If they do they will assuredly involve the networks which will have to ultimately help pay for the move.

Now I don't doubt that a FOX exec and ESPN exec can talk about "possible alignments" should there be a breakaway for the top conferences, or maybe submit to one another hypotheticals that say if school X wants to leave conference y to join conference z these are the issues we would have to work out, but they can't make plans for the schools without the schools being involved as well. Way too much liability is in play for them to be that sloppy.

The SEC will make its preferences known to ESPN for future additions to obtain information which can show whether a certain move is profitable, and likewise the Big 10 with FOX. But the only control over the moves the networks can have is that valuation, or "we'll pay for that, or we won't pay for that, or we'll pay this much and no more." If ESPN wants to suggest a school for the SEC to consider and they provide a nice valuation with the suggestion, then they'll have the SEC's curiosity to take a look at it. But that doesn't happen unless somebody knows the school in question is interested.

It's certainly not "think like a president" only from the conference perspective, but neither is it a "network gets what it wants, and everyone plays along" scenario either.

If ESPN decides to pay for an ACC school to move to the SEC FOX and the Big 10 will never know a thing about it. ESPN has more leverage in being able to close that information loop between the ACC and SEC than FOX or the Big 10 could hope to have.

(01-19-2024 06:57 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  https://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc-system.../21244582/


North Carolina or NC State won't be able to leave the ACC without approval from the UNC System president and its board of governors under a proposal to be considered by the board next week.

The policy change would allow either the president or the board of governors to stop a conference change. It comes at a time when Florida State is challenging the conference in court and the biggest brands in college athletics are concentrating in two major conferences — the SEC and the Big Ten.

An initial draft of the policy change was first considered in October. It would have given the president "the opportunity to weigh in."

The current version gives the president and board explicit power to approve or thwart a move.

...

"I really think Carolina and State ought to be in the same conference," said House Speaker Tim Moore, R-Cleveland. "I really think they ought to do that. And I think you’d have a lot of resistance to seeing them split off in different conferences."

Said Senate leader Phil Berger, R-Rockingham: "There is something about the rivalries that exist that i think would be damaged if we have the larger schools within North Carolina in different conferences. I would not like to see that happen. Whether or not that’s something that would be appropriate for the legislature to step in or not, I have not really thought about it that way."

This potentially has very significant implications. If the B10 doesn't want NCSU, UNC's only possible P2 destination is the SEC.

ESPN is certainly not in a rush. So if that happens, I would expect the earliest to be 2033 when the SEC's media contract expires.

Don't be surprised if the Virginia, Kansas, and Arizona BOT's do something similar to this.

And that committee recommendation is policy now.

2024.02.29
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — The board overseeing North Carolina’s public university system will require schools to get approval to change athletic conferences, which most notably could impact any potential move by Atlantic Coast Conference members North Carolina and North Carolina State.
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The measure requires schools to provide advance notice of any conference change, including a report on the financial impact, for the board president’s approval. The president can approve or reject the plan, while the board could also vote to reject a plan initially approved.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/...nferences#

(02-29-2024 10:33 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  And that committee recommendation is policy now.

2024.02.29
CHAPEL HILL, N.C. (AP) — The board overseeing North Carolina’s public university system will require schools to get approval to change athletic conferences, which most notably could impact any potential move by Atlantic Coast Conference members North Carolina and North Carolina State.
....
The measure requires schools to provide advance notice of any conference change, including a report on the financial impact, for the board president’s approval. The president can approve or reject the plan, while the board could also vote to reject a plan initially approved.

https://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/...nferences#

All rules are created out of need. Nobody passes a new rule unless they intend to use it.