(01-25-2024 05:36 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 02:03 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 01:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 12:26 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 12:08 PM)Ourland Wrote:  Look on the bright side. This coaching era ends on March 9th.

Seems we heard a similar sentiment last fall during football season.

Never underestimate Rice Athletics' willingness to accept mediocrity and take no action.

In football, it's Bloomgren's contract that saved him, giving him another year each time he wins six, and that's on Karlgaard. If not for that provision, he'd be gone. Neither we nor McClelland want him around, but we're stuck with him.

There's no reason to keep Pera. As far as I know, his contract is up. For all the rumors of a new intolerance for mediocrity, nothing has changed in the athletics department if he is retained. He's gone, or things get ugly.

Have you or anyone here read the text of Bloomgren’s contract? Or is the “6 wins= one year extension” line just a convenient excuse for non-action?

In any event, contracts are broken al the time in college athletics. Not finding an out from a bad deal is just another excuse for inaction.

I haven't read anything concerning Bloomgren's contract, but that's only because the specifics of it aren't shared by the university. I presume that was done by design, as to not upset anyone, being that Bloomgren is so unpopular.

Typically when a coach's contract expires, we're informed of the AD's intent to renew or let go of said coach, but that hasn't happened, and I'm certain that Bloomgren's contract was set to expire after last season. He was given a sixth year due to Covid.

All I can do is give credence to the rumor here that he is automatically renewed as long as he wins six games. There are no other facts to indicate otherwise. If there were, McClelland would have to announce that the contract was renewed, and for how long. At least that's how it works everywhere else. But yes, it's possible that he gave him a one-year extension in secret, and if he did, I don't blame him for hiding that info from us.

The bottom line is that no one knows anything, and that's how they want it.

So, no firsthand knowledge of the details.

(01-25-2024 06:15 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 05:36 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 02:03 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 01:01 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-25-2024 12:26 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  Seems we heard a similar sentiment last fall during football season.

Never underestimate Rice Athletics' willingness to accept mediocrity and take no action.

In football, it's Bloomgren's contract that saved him, giving him another year each time he wins six, and that's on Karlgaard. If not for that provision, he'd be gone. Neither we nor McClelland want him around, but we're stuck with him.

There's no reason to keep Pera. As far as I know, his contract is up. For all the rumors of a new intolerance for mediocrity, nothing has changed in the athletics department if he is retained. He's gone, or things get ugly.

Have you or anyone here read the text of Bloomgren’s contract? Or is the “6 wins= one year extension” line just a convenient excuse for non-action?

In any event, contracts are broken al the time in college athletics. Not finding an out from a bad deal is just another excuse for inaction.

I haven't read anything concerning Bloomgren's contract, but that's only because the specifics of it aren't shared by the university. I presume that was done by design, as to not upset anyone, being that Bloomgren is so unpopular.

Typically when a coach's contract expires, we're informed of the AD's intent to renew or let go of said coach, but that hasn't happened, and I'm certain that Bloomgren's contract was set to expire after last season. He was given a sixth year due to Covid.

All I can do is give credence to the rumor here that he is automatically renewed as long as he wins six games. There are no other facts to indicate otherwise. If there were, McClelland would have to announce that the contract was renewed, and for how long. At least that's how it works everywhere else. But yes, it's possible that he gave him a one-year extension in secret, and if he did, I don't blame him for hiding that info from us.

The bottom line is that no one knows anything, and that's how they want it.

So, no firsthand knowledge of the details.

No. Neither does anyone else.

Whether we knw the details of Bloomgren's contract, we know that he will apparently be around for another year. So there's some reason somewhere why that is the case. Anextension for 6 wins makes as much sense as anything else.

In his favor, he has increased wins by one per year. And his teams have improved on the defensive side of the ball over Bailiff's, at least from the eye test standpoint.

On the other hand, although he has relented a bit recently, we know that in his heart he wants an offensive approach that seems ill-suited for Rice. Rather than showing the ability to develop a quarterback, he and his staff have relied on bringing in transfers, and last year's transfer was a former 5-star who had started at three quality P5 programs. The chances of finding a better transfer QB are slim at best, meaning there is a high probability that 2023 is his high point rather than a station on the way to somewhere better.

David Bailiff drove me up the wall with his ability to lose 9 or more in a season, doing so 4 times in 11 years. His teams played poor defense, particularly against the long pass, despite having 3 DBs who played for years on Sundays, and atrocious special teams, even with NFL-caliber kickers. But give David Bailiff a quality QB and he could outscore you and win 10. His teams played hard but sloppy. Bloomgren has also shown the ability to lose 9 or more two times in 6 years, and 8 another two times. But give Bloomgren a 5-star QB and he went 6-7. That's falling very far short of winning ten. His teams have not been as sloppy as Bailiff's, but somehow they just don't seem to be playing as hard. There ave been rumors from time to time that his players hate him, but the outbound transfers in the portal have not been excessive, which would tend to argue against that.

This is a FAU MBB thread, not a Bloom/FB thread but I believe Bloom, his staff, Tommy, and others believe Kurt Warner’s kid will be >= to JT. He has shown flashes of being really good when healthy at Temple. We shall see if that analysis is accurate but at worst, it is an upgrade over Padgett and the rest of QB's that Rice fans have seen to date. Given the relatively easy schedule compared to prior years, a 7 win season is realistic but beating 4-5 > 100 ranked FBS teams is not a reason to celebrate progress. But unfortunately, it may trigger another extension.

Here is the simple reality for at least 30 years at Rice: excluding some of sort of malfeasance, just talking wins and losses here, we will buy out one year of a coach's contract. 1. That's it.

Bloomgren has 2 years left on his deal, by virtue of winning 6 this year. It's a pretty simple equation next year. Win 7 and he'll be here. Win less than that and we'll buy out his last year and move on.

Barring a miracle run through the conference tournament, Pera will be gone this year. His time is up.

(01-26-2024 10:41 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  Here is the simple reality for at least 30 years at Rice: excluding some of sort of malfeasance, just talking wins and losses here, we will buy out one year of a coach's contract. 1. That's it.

Bloomgren has 2 years left on his deal, by virtue of winning 6 this year. It's a pretty simple equation next year. Win 7 and he'll be here. Win less than that and we'll buy out his last year and move on.

Barring a miracle run through the conference tournament, Pera will be gone this year. His time is up.

Now Bloomgren has two years left?

(01-26-2024 03:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 10:41 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  Here is the simple reality for at least 30 years at Rice: excluding some of sort of malfeasance, just talking wins and losses here, we will buy out one year of a coach's contract. 1. That's it.

Bloomgren has 2 years left on his deal, by virtue of winning 6 this year. It's a pretty simple equation next year. Win 7 and he'll be here. Win less than that and we'll buy out his last year and move on.

Barring a miracle run through the conference tournament, Pera will be gone this year. His time is up.

Now Bloomgren has two years left?

Correct. He will be paid for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. If he doesn't win 7 this fall, we'll pay him a season's worth of pay to go away.

(This is assuming Tommy is not extending him further, which I haven't heard and don't know why he would do that)

(01-26-2024 04:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 03:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 10:41 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  Here is the simple reality for at least 30 years at Rice: excluding some of sort of malfeasance, just talking wins and losses here, we will buy out one year of a coach's contract. 1. That's it.

Bloomgren has 2 years left on his deal, by virtue of winning 6 this year. It's a pretty simple equation next year. Win 7 and he'll be here. Win less than that and we'll buy out his last year and move on.

Barring a miracle run through the conference tournament, Pera will be gone this year. His time is up.

Now Bloomgren has two years left?

Correct. He will be paid for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. If he doesn't win 7 this fall, we'll pay him a season's worth of pay to go away.

(This is assuming Tommy is not extending him further, which I haven't heard and don't know why he would do that)

So he got a two-year extension for going 6-6? Where did you hear this?

(01-26-2024 04:40 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 04:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 03:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 10:41 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  Here is the simple reality for at least 30 years at Rice: excluding some of sort of malfeasance, just talking wins and losses here, we will buy out one year of a coach's contract. 1. That's it.

Bloomgren has 2 years left on his deal, by virtue of winning 6 this year. It's a pretty simple equation next year. Win 7 and he'll be here. Win less than that and we'll buy out his last year and move on.

Barring a miracle run through the conference tournament, Pera will be gone this year. His time is up.

Now Bloomgren has two years left?

Correct. He will be paid for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. If he doesn't win 7 this fall, we'll pay him a season's worth of pay to go away.

(This is assuming Tommy is not extending him further, which I haven't heard and don't know why he would do that)

So he got a two-year extension for going 6-6? Where did you hear this?

No. The term extended by 1 year. From 2024 to 2025.

He had 2 years left going into this year (no head coach in college football is ever coaching on the last year of their deal). He still has 2 years left now.

As owl40 said above, the coaches think Warner can win them 8+ games next year. We certainly have a soft enough schedule to win 7. If not, Bloom is gone. We’ll see.

(01-26-2024 07:33 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 04:40 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 04:24 PM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 03:10 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(01-26-2024 10:41 AM)RiceFootball2K5 Wrote:  Here is the simple reality for at least 30 years at Rice: excluding some of sort of malfeasance, just talking wins and losses here, we will buy out one year of a coach's contract. 1. That's it.

Bloomgren has 2 years left on his deal, by virtue of winning 6 this year. It's a pretty simple equation next year. Win 7 and he'll be here. Win less than that and we'll buy out his last year and move on.

Barring a miracle run through the conference tournament, Pera will be gone this year. His time is up.

Now Bloomgren has two years left?

Correct. He will be paid for the 2024 and 2025 seasons. If he doesn't win 7 this fall, we'll pay him a season's worth of pay to go away.

(This is assuming Tommy is not extending him further, which I haven't heard and don't know why he would do that)

So he got a two-year extension for going 6-6? Where did you hear this?

No. The term extended by 1 year. From 2024 to 2025.

He had 2 years left going into this year (no head coach in college football is ever coaching on the last year of their deal). He still has 2 years left now.

As owl40 said above, the coaches think Warner can win them 8+ games next year. We certainly have a soft enough schedule to win 7. If not, Bloom is gone. We’ll see.

I'm not convinced that he can even win six.

I thought Bailiff coached through the final year of his contract and that Rice simply did not offer an extension.

I could be misremembering here