(01-29-2024 03:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You don’t need a “bill” to fix the border. It could be done with an EO, except we have a dementia patient for a President.

So no legislation is needed at all and it's fine to handle this through EO's and through executive agencies?

Just to take a quick inventory…things were good under Trump, then Biden and the libs come in and screw everything up, turning everything to $hit…Now according to Biden, 3 years later, everything IS screwed up but it’s Trumps fault, apparently.

(01-29-2024 03:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You don’t need a “bill” to fix the border. It could be done with an EO, except we have a dementia patient for a President.

So no legislation is needed at all and it's fine to handle this through EO's and through executive agencies?

It’s what Trump did. Worked like a charm. Look up Title 42.

(01-29-2024 04:08 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You don’t need a “bill” to fix the border. It could be done with an EO, except we have a dementia patient for a President.

So no legislation is needed at all and it's fine to handle this through EO's and through executive agencies?

It’s what Trump did. Worked like a charm. Look up Title 42.

So HR 2 is completely meaningless and unnecessary?

(01-29-2024 01:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Right now the Dems have their idiotic Ukraine nonsense they want to continue funding

Dems? It's hardly just Dems.

That's very true, but they certainly want it more. Either way Biden has basically all but said they are willing to cut a deal on the border to get that funding, and really as long as it's not called HR 2 and it looks like it came as the form of "bipartisan compromise" (Biden lives in a world where he thinks this matters a ton) and isn't just the fully GOP written bill I suspect you'd probably be able to get almost all of HR 2 in exchange for Ukraine funding. To get it though you'd have to be willing to probably not get 100% of HR 2 and accept Biden getting at least a rhetorical win of getting a bipartisan deal done.

Problem is, that POS bill Mittens and the other weak-kneed Pols putting this thing together would CODIFY 5000(!) illegal entries PER DAY.

Back of the napkin loose math, that's 35,000 per week. That's nearly 2MM a year and that's just the folks walking on in.

Not gonna stop the human traffickers, the drug traffickers, the fence jumpers and the getaways. An entire State the size of Ga. or whoever every 5 years.

Poor, uneducated, unskilled, illiterate and often sick, pregnant (of course), or other situations. Bringing millions of school age kids into to our already failing (horrifically) schools and hospitals.

Where they gonna go? We have housing issues as it is now and rents in many areas are either unattainable or unaffordable.

This is not sustainable, something needs to change and NOW.

(01-29-2024 01:30 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 01:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Right now the Dems have their idiotic Ukraine nonsense they want to continue funding

Dems? It's hardly just Dems.

That's very true, but they certainly want it more. Either way Biden has basically all but said they are willing to cut a deal on the border to get that funding, and really as long as it's not called HR 2 and it looks like it came as the form of "bipartisan compromise" (Biden lives in a world where he thinks this matters a ton) and isn't just the fully GOP written bill I suspect you'd probably be able to get almost all of HR 2 in exchange for Ukraine funding. To get it though you'd have to be willing to probably not get 100% of HR 2 and accept Biden getting at least a rhetorical win of getting a bipartisan deal done.

That bipartisan bill is likely to be unveiled this week. Gonna be real interesting to see the response here.

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The correct response is and should be pretty simple. No.

It's not bipartisan when the participants include Mittens and recently condemned and censured cuck Lankford.

The only correct answer is equally simple. The number is ZERO.

Go to the Consulate or embassy and fill out the paperwork to apply for asylum. In the meantime, Remain In Mexico.

(01-29-2024 05:01 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 01:20 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:43 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 12:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Right now the Dems have their idiotic Ukraine nonsense they want to continue funding

Dems? It's hardly just Dems.

That's very true, but they certainly want it more. Either way Biden has basically all but said they are willing to cut a deal on the border to get that funding, and really as long as it's not called HR 2 and it looks like it came as the form of "bipartisan compromise" (Biden lives in a world where he thinks this matters a ton) and isn't just the fully GOP written bill I suspect you'd probably be able to get almost all of HR 2 in exchange for Ukraine funding. To get it though you'd have to be willing to probably not get 100% of HR 2 and accept Biden getting at least a rhetorical win of getting a bipartisan deal done.

Problem is, that POS bill Mittens and the other weak-kneed Pols putting this thing together would CODIFY 5000(!) illegal entries PER DAY.

Back of the napkin loose math, that's 35,000 per week. That's nearly 2MM a year and that's just the folks walking on in.

Not gonna stop the human traffickers, the drug traffickers, the fence jumpers and the getaways. An entire State the size of Ga. or whoever every 5 years.

Poor, uneducated, unskilled, illiterate and often sick, pregnant (of course), or other situations. Bringing millions of school age kids into to our already failing (horrifically) schools and hospitals.

Where they gonna go? We have housing issues as it is now and rents in many areas are either unattainable or unaffordable.

This is not sustainable, something needs to change and NOW.

Which bill? HR 2 or the compromise bill being talked about by the Senate? Are you a believer executive action could solve all of this or do you think this will take some sort of legislative action as well as executive action? If it's option 1 and all that's needed to solve this is Trump winning then okay block all legislative action, let chaos ensue until the election, Trump wins and then he solves it. If it's option 2 and there is legislation that's needed along with executive action then the best chances to get anything you want legislatively are right this second and if Trump wins you can end any hope of any immigration legislation passing (unless you want to kill the filibuster to do it).

(01-29-2024 03:59 PM)450bench Wrote:  Just to take a quick inventory…things were good under Trump, then Biden and the libs come in and screw everything up, turning everything to $hit…Now according to Biden, 3 years later, everything IS screwed up but it’s Trumps fault, apparently.

Yup.

One EO, simply stating, in essence "This EO will serve to rescind and remove all the dumb things I did when signing the previous EO's on the issue my first day in office"

IOW's simply go back to the Trump policies and that would take exactly NO new legislation.

Let the war in the Godforsaken Wheat field halfway around the world stand on it's own and sell the American public of it's importance to Americans safety and security. Make your case.

If you can, well good for you,, you'l have your proxy war continue.
If not? Well, that's the way this is supposed to work.

(01-29-2024 04:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 04:08 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You don’t need a “bill” to fix the border. It could be done with an EO, except we have a dementia patient for a President.

So no legislation is needed at all and it's fine to handle this through EO's and through executive agencies?

It’s what Trump did. Worked like a charm. Look up Title 42.

So HR 2 is completely meaningless and unnecessary?

Yup. Cause it ain' gonna be passed and signed into law either.

(01-29-2024 05:22 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 04:30 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 04:08 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:47 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(01-29-2024 03:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You don’t need a “bill” to fix the border. It could be done with an EO, except we have a dementia patient for a President.

So no legislation is needed at all and it's fine to handle this through EO's and through executive agencies?

It’s what Trump did. Worked like a charm. Look up Title 42.

So HR 2 is completely meaningless and unnecessary?

Yup. Cause it Ian' gonna be passed and signed into law either.

I swear just answering a question is impossible on this board. Very simple question, is any legislation on the subject needed or can the executive handle this with the power they currently have?

I answered two posts above ^^^

I'll refine it a bit.

It's gonna take a Terlinqua Two-Step.

Step 1, rescind the idiotic EO's that got all this on hyperdrive in the first place. STOP the flow of illegals invading our Country. When we can legitimately see that has happened and is permanent.

Step 2, figure out how we remove EVERYONE without a legitimate reason to be claiming Amnesty. And NO, I want a better job, isn't on that list. Once that is completed, finish the Wall razor wire and all, fly your drones if you'd like. Anyone attempting to cross anywhere other than ports of entry you are cooling for 6 months and $500 fine and denied entry again for 1 year.

Try again illegally, it's a full year, $2000 fine and 5 years you're not welcome. And we can escalate from there for those that just can't control their urge to invade our Sovereign Country.

Simple enough, 3 short paragraphs on a message board.

(01-29-2024 03:41 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You don’t need a “bill” to fix the border. It could be done with an EO, except we have a dementia patient for a President.

C'mon, BT we all know that Biden will do nothing. Executive orders are a crappy way to do things because they can be reversed the next time the opposition is in power. Dueling EOs is much easier to deal with than legislation.

All those arguing that Biden doesn't want Trump or the GOP to "get a win" on immigration are missing the BIG picture. The dems do NOT WANT the border secure. Period. This is why there has been nothing done in the legislature on immigration for decades. The two sides are too far apart on what they want. If one side wants a totally open border and the other wants the border shut and tightly controlled, how do you "compromise" on that?

Which party is listening to the American people? I'd say neither, at this point. If you've been paying attention, recent polling (Rasmussen, I believe) showed that in the past month, things have shifted in terms of what Americans say is our biggest problem. IMMIGRATION has surpassed the economy as the #1 concern.

If Trump campaigns on immigration, as he has, he will be in agreement on that one issue with the majority of Americans. The dems can and have tried to paint the right as haters of immigrants, or of brown or black or other colored peoples. Most folks are waking up to the reality that the left likes the borders totally non-existent. Ignore the noise.

When the first terror attack by foreigners occurs on our soil (and we all know it is coming) it will be a major wake-up call for a lot of Americans and some of our politicians. What happens then, other than the usual finger pointing, will determine our fate in the coming years. Too many here in this country have become pussified and unable to summon the will to protect themselves.

Just one example of the idiocy of this administration is shutting down the pipelines. Gas prices were $2.17 when Trump left office and shortly after biden takes office and shuts down the pipelines the price more than doubled. Why? Because of the idiot liberal agenda.

Another example was during the primaries when the lefty candidates were asked “who is for open borders?” And they all raised their hands. Then what happens? Liberals take over and we’ve got open borders and a literal invasion from the south.

The liberal agenda is killing everything thus country has. Period.

(01-29-2024 05:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I answered two posts above ^^^

I'll refine it a bit.

It's gonna take a Terlinqua Two-Step.

Step 1, rescind the idiotic EO's that got all this on hyperdrive in the first place. STOP the flow of illegals invading our Country. When we can legitimately see that has happened and is permanent.

Step 2, figure out how we remove EVERYONE without a legitimate reason to be claiming Amnesty. And NO, I want a better job, isn't on that list. Once that is completed, finish the Wall razor wire and all, fly your drones if you'd like. Anyone attempting to cross anywhere other than ports of entry you are cooling for 6 months and $500 fine and denied entry again for 1 year.

Try again illegally, it's a full year, $2000 fine and 5 years you're not welcome. And we can escalate from there for those that just can't control their urge to invade our Sovereign Country.

Simple enough, 3 short paragraphs on a message board.

We need to be tougher on those coming in illegally. Research what some countries do regarding this.

First offense - $500 fine, 6 months in jail. No entry for 1 year
Second offense - $1000 fine, 1 year in jail. Barred for 5 years from entry
Any further offense - 5 years in Federal prison. Expelled after sentence, barred for life.

https://www.limitstogrowth.org/articles/...y-than-us/

Quote:Prison, labor camps, caning: Illegal entry no misdemeanor in other countries, By Stephen Dinan, Washington Times, September 23, 2019

Jumping the border in Singapore is punishable by six months in prison — and not less than three strokes with a cane.

In Russia, it can earn you up to two years in a prison labor camp.

Pakistan goes as high as 10 years in prison, while India allows for up to eight years behind bars for those who sneak across its boundaries.

It’s a far cry from the U.S., where illegal entry is a misdemeanor, with a maximum of six months in jail. In reality, most of those who are prosecuted — and only about 1 in 5 border jumpers are — are sentenced to time served and are out within days.

The U.S. has one of the world’s weaker laws for illegal entry, according to the data in a study by the Library of Congress, which surveyed statutes in more than 160 nations and released its findings amid a heated debate over whether America’s penalties are too stiff.

The debate is being driven by the Democratic presidential candidates, some of whom have argued that the U.S. should eliminate the criminal penalty altogether. The data shows that’s a bad idea, said Jessica Vaughan, policy studies director at the Center for Immigration Studies, which advocates for stricter immigration controls.

“Illegal immigration is a crime in almost every nation because regulating immigration is key to maintaining national sovereignty and identity, and citizens and leaders of every nation place a high value on that,” Ms. Vaughan said. “There are good reasons why almost every other country in the world has similar criminal penalties, and we shouldn’t flog people over it, but we do need the tools of arrest and detention to deal with the problem.”

In the U.S., illegal entry is criminalized under 8 US Code Section 1325, “improper entry by alien,” which calls for a fine or imprisonment of up to six months, or both. Doing it a second time can earn a two-year sentence.

That is in addition to the civil penalty for being in the country without authorization, for which the result is deportation.

Those policies are in line with laws in Canada and the United Kingdom, which also impose six-month maximum sentences on illegal entry, but, like the U.S., usually just deport border jumpers instead.

As Grassley said, "If you reward illegality, you get more of it."

(01-29-2024 05:41 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  I answered two posts above ^^^

I'll refine it a bit.

It's gonna take a Terlinqua Two-Step.

Step 1, rescind the idiotic EO's that got all this on hyperdrive in the first place. STOP the flow of illegals invading our Country. When we can legitimately see that has happened and is permanent.

Step 2, figure out how we remove EVERYONE without a legitimate reason to be claiming Amnesty. And NO, I want a better job, isn't on that list. Once that is completed, finish the Wall razor wire and all, fly your drones if you'd like. Anyone attempting to cross anywhere other than ports of entry you are cooling for 6 months and $500 fine and denied entry again for 1 year.

Try again illegally, it's a full year, $2000 fine and 5 years you're not welcome. And we can escalate from there for those that just can't control their urge to invade our Sovereign Country.

Simple enough, 3 short paragraphs on a message board.

EO's ain't permanent, rescinding them ain't permanent. Not to be a jackarse but step 2 can not and never will be permanent because the second a President steps in that has a different opinion they can undo or redo any EO they'd like. Every other issue the right wing response is "executive overreach if you want that to happen get congress to do it" but when it's an issue you want immediate action on and know congress won't give you what you want all of a sudden governing by EO sounds fine.

No an EO is not permanent and no an EO isn’t the best solution, but any bill this government passes will not stop any immigration, slow it down a little at best, and will just be more graft money into the pockets of our congress people.

Go ahead and tell me I’m wrong.

When I said “It is stopped and permanent”, I should have clarified that is done through legislation.

The rescinding/overwriting the idiotic EO’s Sloe* was given a double tapioca to do would be necessary to get anyone to the table to get legislation moving.

IOW’s get that done outta the gate, then go fight the Marxist Globalists on Crapitol Hill.

Then move on. Was in a bit of a hurry a few hours ago…

Make it stop. Pass legislation to insure it’s stopped by law (again, fly your drones if needed), lock up and FINE those that simply can’t contain themselves.

/Rather shocked how close my penalties are to those put forth in that link above, I just made that up some time ago sitting at my desk
Happy someone’s reading along…

Democrats did the exact same thing with COVID.

(01-29-2024 09:14 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  No an EO is not permanent and no an EO isn’t the best solution, but any bill this government passes will not stop any immigration, slow it down a little at best, and will just be more graft money into the pockets of our congress people.

Go ahead and tell me I’m wrong.

Of course, congress is completely broken. Why would I tell you otherwise?

It's why I don't favor overturning Chevron Deference, but certain segments of this board and the right want executive agencies to have as little power to do things as possible unless expressly spelled out by Congress. That action has consequences, one of the consequences of that will be if Trump tries to do things through EO's and through agency actions that aren't clearly and unambiguously listed as powers given to them by congress then some left wing groups will be able to go forum shopping for a friendly judge and said judge doesn't have to give any deference to the agencies interpretation of the powers granted by congress.

Shows how out of touch Romney is. The majority Americans minus the administration's nut huggers (who would cut their's off if the puppet of propaganda told them to) already blame that brain dead sack of monkey dung presently soiling his Depends in the Oval office.

Romney's day is over. Americans, who are growing more Conservative by the day, know he isn't one of them. He can take his leftist azz kissing to wherever useless RINO's retire to.