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(01-27-2024 05:57 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  As a UVa fan, I’m all in with this alignment. Especially the reunion with Maryland.

I don’t understand exactly how ND basketball thrives (meshes) in our mid-Atlantic group, but that’s a knit. Surprisingly, ND has done well competing in Olympic sports while in the ACC.

Yeah, I tried to give everyone tradition/competitive rivals for football (why the SEC 10 are 5 team pods because it wasn't as clear of a breakup with 4 team pods) and still have plenty of games for teams to play other rivals annually while setting up their schedule to how they desire. BYU was tough too going back and forth between a 4 corners pod or Big 8 pod, which is why I opted to give them football independence with ND and allow them to go national scheduling. Obviously the ACC teams would still have room on their basketball schedule to play teams from the northeast if they desire.

ND was kinda tough for olympic, but I figured they'd perfer to remain playing ACC teams in the mid-atlantic/southeast region in their olympic sports while still being able to schedule non-conference games in the Northeast, Midwest, and maybe Cali if they desire. If the ACC opted for 4 team pods for basketball instead of 6 team divisions, I think they would probably have MD, UVA, UNC, Duke in 1, VT, NCST, WF, Clem in 2, and ND, GT, FSU, UM in 3.

I understand the sentiment, but it seems that we’re just effectively recreating what has been the alignment of the P5 or even going back to what were the 6 power conferences in the BCS system here and (a) that’s not what the media marketplace wants as they want USC/Oregon playing Michigan/Ohio State and Texas/Oklahoma playing Alabama/Georgia and (b) a huge point of a breakaway would be for the Big Ten and SEC to accrue even more power as opposed to ceding it.

This is long been one of my main points in realignment: most people generally want a nice, even, coordinated top-down alignment for college football. However, conference realignment is a messy, uneven, uncoordinated bottom-up configuration for college football. Egos and institutional pride can also drive decisions in academia that aren’t the same pure rational economic decisions in other industries (e.g. why Notre Dame would willingly make less TV money in order to continue to be independent). At a minimum, the Big Ten and SEC aren’t giving up power to each other and they certainly won’t allow for the top brands that they just expanded with to go back into an evenly distributed pool of revenue where schools outside of the Big Ten/SEC would be getting way more benefit.

Yeah I get it. Ohio State and Michigan have spent a century building their fiefdom. They’re not giving away their advantageous position for free. It’s just a bit of nostalgia for regionalism, a simpler time when media payouts weren’t encouraging national matchups.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
Love it. I hope something like this evolves over time.

One thing though, Penn St should be with Pitt , West Va and Syracuse in football and the other sports. The history and geography should speak for itself.

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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-27-2024 05:57 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  As a UVa fan, I’m all in with this alignment. Especially the reunion with Maryland.

I don’t understand exactly how ND basketball thrives (meshes) in our mid-Atlantic group, but that’s a knit. Surprisingly, ND has done well competing in Olympic sports while in the ACC.



Why is that surprising?

Baseball made the Super Regionals in 2021 and the College World Series in 2022. Lacrosse won the national championship last year. Soccer does very well. Women's basketball just routed UConn in Storrs.

ND has a well run, fully funded athletic department with 26 sports, men and women.

Its just that basketball fell off a cliff after an ACC Championship in 2015 and two Elite 8's in 2015 and 2016. Mike Brey just got lazy.

Give Shrewsberry some time. He will have basketball doing well again soon.
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(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.
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(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Doesn't matter if it's P2 or P3 or P4. It's only going to benefit the Ohio States and Alabamas anyway. This is just a way for those schools (Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) to make even more money than they are now. Middling P4 schools will never get a sniff at the Natty and will sink into only having 5 or 6 home games a year and losing an extra two games a year because they'll be cannibalizing each other. The middling schools need to realize that they and their fans are being sacrificed for the benefits of the Ohio States and Alabamas. Watch out for what you wish for, you just might get it.

But all that money though? Sure the middling P4s will make more money, but how does that help the fan? They're still going to keep tuition high, they're still going to charge whatever they want for season tickets. They're still going to beg you to donate your hard earned cash for scholarships and they're still going to beg you for NIL money. The trade off for the fan is that you'll now be in a far flung conference playing schools you don't care about and you'll never be able to go to an away game because you'll have to take PTO for friday and buy a couple of plane tickets on top of food a hotel and everything else. Screw the fans anyway right? Just as long as the Athletic Departments can stuff their pockets.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Why go to 30? Why would the larger school have interest in funding the smaller programs who are P schools in name only? There are not 60 teams worth of playing at the top level, you have the P2 and 5 or 6 more schools.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 12:26 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Doesn't matter if it's P2 or P3 or P4. It's only going to benefit the Ohio States and Alabamas anyway. This is just a way for those schools (Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) to make even more money than they are now. Middling P4 schools will never get a sniff at the Natty and will sink into only having 5 or 6 home games a year and losing an extra two games a year because they'll be cannibalizing each other. The middling schools need to realize that they and their fans are being sacrificed for the benefits of the Ohio States and Alabamas. Watch out for what you wish for, you just might get it.

But all that money though? Sure the middling P4s will make more money, but how does that help the fan? They're still going to keep tuition high, they're still going to charge whatever they want for season tickets. They're still going to beg you to donate your hard earned cash for scholarships and they're still going to beg you for NIL money. The trade off for the fan is that you'll now be in a far flung conference playing schools you don't care about and you'll never be able to go to an away game because you'll have to take PTO for friday and buy a couple of plane tickets on top of food a hotel and everything else. Screw the fans anyway right? Just as long as the Athletic Departments can stuff their pockets.

Clemson has a $140m Athletic budget, literally half of A&M's $279m in 2023, yet Clemson somehow managed to grab 2 titles in the past decade, and they had double digit wins in every year from 2011 to 2022. TCU made the title game 12 1/2 months ago with their $138m budget. Either of them would be in the bottom 4 in the SEC in Athletic revenues. That's about as "middling P4" as you can get.
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A lot of people in the P5 are saying the whole FBS plus some FCS schools could break away, and control the money sports of football, basketball, hockey and baseball better.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 01:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:26 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Doesn't matter if it's P2 or P3 or P4. It's only going to benefit the Ohio States and Alabamas anyway. This is just a way for those schools (Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) to make even more money than they are now. Middling P4 schools will never get a sniff at the Natty and will sink into only having 5 or 6 home games a year and losing an extra two games a year because they'll be cannibalizing each other. The middling schools need to realize that they and their fans are being sacrificed for the benefits of the Ohio States and Alabamas. Watch out for what you wish for, you just might get it.

But all that money though? Sure the middling P4s will make more money, but how does that help the fan? They're still going to keep tuition high, they're still going to charge whatever they want for season tickets. They're still going to beg you to donate your hard earned cash for scholarships and they're still going to beg you for NIL money. The trade off for the fan is that you'll now be in a far flung conference playing schools you don't care about and you'll never be able to go to an away game because you'll have to take PTO for friday and buy a couple of plane tickets on top of food a hotel and everything else. Screw the fans anyway right? Just as long as the Athletic Departments can stuff their pockets.

Clemson has a $140m Athletic budget, literally half of A&M's $279m in 2023, yet Clemson somehow managed to grab 2 titles in the past decade, and they had double digit wins in every year from 2011 to 2022. TCU made the title game 12 1/2 months ago with their $138m budget. Either of them would be in the bottom 4 in the SEC in Athletic revenues. That's about as "middling P4" as you can get.

Nice try, but TCU and Clemson are not the same. Middling is WVU, KState, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, 75% of the ACC
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 07:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 05:57 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  As a UVa fan, I’m all in with this alignment. Especially the reunion with Maryland.

I don’t understand exactly how ND basketball thrives (meshes) in our mid-Atlantic group, but that’s a knit. Surprisingly, ND has done well competing in Olympic sports while in the ACC.



Why is that surprising?

Baseball made the Super Regionals in 2021 and the College World Series in 2022. Lacrosse won the national championship last year. Soccer does very well. Women's basketball just routed UConn in Storrs.

ND has a well run, fully funded athletic department with 26 sports, men and women.

Its just that basketball fell off a cliff after an ACC Championship in 2015 and two Elite 8's in 2015 and 2016. Mike Brey just got lazy.

Give Shrewsberry some time. He will have basketball doing well again soon.

That's why I think they need a solid ACC to stay independent. I just don't think the Big East would want ND non-revs winning all the conference titles.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 01:28 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Why go to 30? Why would the larger school have interest in funding the smaller programs who are P schools in name only? There are not 60 teams worth of playing at the top level, you have the P2 and 5 or 6 more schools.

People are just looking for the peak of the sine wave.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 07:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 05:57 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  As a UVa fan, I’m all in with this alignment. Especially the reunion with Maryland.

I don’t understand exactly how ND basketball thrives (meshes) in our mid-Atlantic group, but that’s a knit. Surprisingly, ND has done well competing in Olympic sports while in the ACC.



Why is that surprising?

Baseball made the Super Regionals in 2021 and the College World Series in 2022. Lacrosse won the national championship last year. Soccer does very well. Women's basketball just routed UConn in Storrs.

ND has a well run, fully funded athletic department with 26 sports, men and women.

Its just that basketball fell off a cliff after an ACC Championship in 2015 and two Elite 8's in 2015 and 2016. Mike Brey just got lazy.

Give Shrewsberry some time. He will have basketball doing well again soon.

That's why I think they need a solid ACC to stay independent. I just don't think the Big East would want ND non-revs winning all the conference titles.



Why not? Someone has to win them every year.

What is the difference which conference member does so?

Should the Big East kick out UConn for winning too much?

P.S. I agree that ND wants the ACC to survive in some form beneficial to it. I am just addressing the Big East issue.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 05:17 PM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 04:18 PM)bullet Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 07:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 05:57 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  As a UVa fan, I’m all in with this alignment. Especially the reunion with Maryland.

I don’t understand exactly how ND basketball thrives (meshes) in our mid-Atlantic group, but that’s a knit. Surprisingly, ND has done well competing in Olympic sports while in the ACC.



Why is that surprising?

Baseball made the Super Regionals in 2021 and the College World Series in 2022. Lacrosse won the national championship last year. Soccer does very well. Women's basketball just routed UConn in Storrs.

ND has a well run, fully funded athletic department with 26 sports, men and women.

Its just that basketball fell off a cliff after an ACC Championship in 2015 and two Elite 8's in 2015 and 2016. Mike Brey just got lazy.

Give Shrewsberry some time. He will have basketball doing well again soon.

That's why I think they need a solid ACC to stay independent. I just don't think the Big East would want ND non-revs winning all the conference titles.



Why not? Someone has to win them every year.

What is the difference which conference member does so?

Should the Big East kick out UConn for winning too much?

P.S. I agree that ND wants the ACC to survive in some form beneficial to it. I am just addressing the Big East issue.

Conferences are about teams you can compete with. They wouldn't want their non-revs swamped. That concern was expressed by at least one administrator back when the C7 split.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
(01-29-2024 07:24 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 05:57 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  As a UVa fan, I’m all in with this alignment. Especially the reunion with Maryland.

I don’t understand exactly how ND basketball thrives (meshes) in our mid-Atlantic group, but that’s a knit. Surprisingly, ND has done well competing in Olympic sports while in the ACC.



Why is that surprising?

Baseball made the Super Regionals in 2021 and the College World Series in 2022. Lacrosse won the national championship last year. Soccer does very well. Women's basketball just routed UConn in Storrs.

ND has a well run, fully funded athletic department with 26 sports, men and women.

Its just that basketball fell off a cliff after an ACC Championship in 2015 and two Elite 8's in 2015 and 2016. Mike Brey just got lazy.

Give Shrewsberry some time. He will have basketball doing well again soon.

I didn't pay any attention to ND Olympic sports prior to the Fighting Irish joining the ACC. I guess I somewhat expected their strength (non-football wise) to be in traditional midwestern/northern and indoor sports...basketball, wrestling, volleyball, hockey. They surprised me in the level of competitiveness in outdoor sports such as soccer, lacrosse & baseball; as well as the commitment to all women's sports. Their Olympic sports have made the ACC a little better.
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(01-29-2024 04:12 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 01:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:26 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  
(01-27-2024 03:32 PM)Gemofthehills Wrote:  Just let the P2 go and no need for anyone else. Why let any others be a part of basketball or baseball? No need in giving some a free ride if your not going to enclude everyone.

There is no P5 anymore its P2 M2 and G5, not sure where Oregon St and Washington St fall at this time M2 or G5. The P2 has picked who they want in the club and everyone else is playing DII ball now.

Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Doesn't matter if it's P2 or P3 or P4. It's only going to benefit the Ohio States and Alabamas anyway. This is just a way for those schools (Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) to make even more money than they are now. Middling P4 schools will never get a sniff at the Natty and will sink into only having 5 or 6 home games a year and losing an extra two games a year because they'll be cannibalizing each other. The middling schools need to realize that they and their fans are being sacrificed for the benefits of the Ohio States and Alabamas. Watch out for what you wish for, you just might get it.

But all that money though? Sure the middling P4s will make more money, but how does that help the fan? They're still going to keep tuition high, they're still going to charge whatever they want for season tickets. They're still going to beg you to donate your hard earned cash for scholarships and they're still going to beg you for NIL money. The trade off for the fan is that you'll now be in a far flung conference playing schools you don't care about and you'll never be able to go to an away game because you'll have to take PTO for friday and buy a couple of plane tickets on top of food a hotel and everything else. Screw the fans anyway right? Just as long as the Athletic Departments can stuff their pockets.

Clemson has a $140m Athletic budget, literally half of A&M's $279m in 2023, yet Clemson somehow managed to grab 2 titles in the past decade, and they had double digit wins in every year from 2011 to 2022. TCU made the title game 12 1/2 months ago with their $138m budget. Either of them would be in the bottom 4 in the SEC in Athletic revenues. That's about as "middling P4" as you can get.

Nice try, but TCU and Clemson are not the same. Middling is WVU, KState, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, 75% of the ACC
Not wanting to get off subject in this post it was mentioned that middle group will never win a natty to me its wild that only three current FBS coaches have won a natty 2 in the ACC and 1 in the SEC thats it.The sport has really changed.
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(01-31-2024 05:23 PM)j lance Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 04:12 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 01:41 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:26 PM)GreenBison Wrote:  
(01-29-2024 12:14 PM)jacksfan29! Wrote:  Well if that happens, P2 will have 30 plus teams each. I don't think you understand, the larger schools are no longer interested in funding small programs who are FBS in name only.

Doesn't matter if it's P2 or P3 or P4. It's only going to benefit the Ohio States and Alabamas anyway. This is just a way for those schools (Ohio State, Alabama, Notre Dame, etc.) to make even more money than they are now. Middling P4 schools will never get a sniff at the Natty and will sink into only having 5 or 6 home games a year and losing an extra two games a year because they'll be cannibalizing each other. The middling schools need to realize that they and their fans are being sacrificed for the benefits of the Ohio States and Alabamas. Watch out for what you wish for, you just might get it.

But all that money though? Sure the middling P4s will make more money, but how does that help the fan? They're still going to keep tuition high, they're still going to charge whatever they want for season tickets. They're still going to beg you to donate your hard earned cash for scholarships and they're still going to beg you for NIL money. The trade off for the fan is that you'll now be in a far flung conference playing schools you don't care about and you'll never be able to go to an away game because you'll have to take PTO for friday and buy a couple of plane tickets on top of food a hotel and everything else. Screw the fans anyway right? Just as long as the Athletic Departments can stuff their pockets.

Clemson has a $140m Athletic budget, literally half of A&M's $279m in 2023, yet Clemson somehow managed to grab 2 titles in the past decade, and they had double digit wins in every year from 2011 to 2022. TCU made the title game 12 1/2 months ago with their $138m budget. Either of them would be in the bottom 4 in the SEC in Athletic revenues. That's about as "middling P4" as you can get.

Nice try, but TCU and Clemson are not the same. Middling is WVU, KState, Rutgers, Illinois, Indiana, 75% of the ACC
Not wanting to get off subject in this post it was mentioned that middle group will never win a natty to me its wild that only three current FBS coaches have won a natty 2 in the ACC and 1 in the SEC thats it.The sport has really changed.

The 15 schools with multiple titles have won 58 of the 63 AP titles going all the way back to 1960. When you throw in SEC powers Auburn and Tennessee's 1 each, its 60 of 63 from only 17 schools. Only Colorado 1990, BYU 1984 and Pitt 1976 are exceptions. In that sense, the sport hasn't changed. Alabama has 12; USC and Miami FL 5; Oklahoma, Nebraska and Notre Dame 4 each; Texas, Ohio St., Georgia, Florida, Florida St. and Clemson 3 each; Michigan, Penn St. and LSU 2 each.
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
Decided to take another stab at this, but this time kept the B1G/SEC (Super) separate from the ACC/B12 (Power). Also took into consideration that the ACC/B12 could add Memphis, San Diego St., Tulane, and UNLV if they desire, but left it as optional for them.

Overall:
- CFP, Bowls, and NCAA Tourneys mostly unchanged (slight alterations to autobids, potential minor expansion to tourneys)
- Format allows football and basketball teams to play national schedules, if desired, while non-revenue schedules stay regional, saving on their travel costs
- Provides flexibility for each program who have their own agendas, goals, and ideas in terms of Power/Major scheduling (national vs. regional, aggressive vs. conservative, recruiting vs. alumni areas)

Football:
- Teams plays their pod annually
- Free to schedule remainder of their schedule, but must play at least 9-10 Major opponents
- ND fully independent FB schedule in Major Conference
- Top 10 Pod winners (6 from Super, 4 from Power) play in CCGs for 5 autobids + 1 G5 autobid for CFP (Alt. no CCGs and add 13th regular season game)
- CCGs: Super - Atlanta, Dallas, Indianapolis; Power - Charlote, Las Vegas
- CFP remains 12 teams with top G5 champ included, could expand up to 16 teams (ladder bracket) for WCGs
- Bowl eligibility remains the same, but bowl tie-ins likely altered or eliminated (need 7 wins if 13 regular season games)

Money/Media Partners:
- ESPN (4 networks including TheCW), FOX (2 networks), CBS & NBC (1 network each)
- Streaming on ESPN+ & Peacock
- Conference networks (Super: BTN & SECN, Power: ACCN & PACN) airing games nationally
- Media money paid equally to teams $60 mil/yr for Super teams, $50 mil/yr for ND if FB Indy, $40 mil/yr for Power teams
- Postseason units (CFP, Bowls, NCAA Tourneys) partially or completely go to participating teams instead of conferences


Major Conference (Football)
Super

Oregon
UCLA
USC
Washington

Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M

Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma

Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi St.
Ole Miss

Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Clemson
Florida St.
Miami (FL)
South Carolina

Maryland
North Carolina
Rutgers
Virginia

Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin

Illinois
Indiana
Northwestern
Purdue

Michigan
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Penn St.

Power
Notre Dame - FB indy

California
Oregon St.
Stanford
Washington St.
San Diego St.?

Arizona
Arizona St.
BYU
Utah
UNLV?

Colorado
Iowa St.
Kansas St.
Oklahoma St.
Tulane?

Baylor
Houston
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech

Duke
Georgia Tech
NC State
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Cincinnati
Louisville
South Florida
UCF
Memphis?

Boston College
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
West Virginia
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RE: If we see a P5 breakaway within the NCAA:
Basketball:
- Teams play pod H&H annually and other pod once annually (can play H&H)
- If 8 teams for Power groups, can merge the 2 4-team pods and do full H&H
- Free to schedule remainder of their schedule, but must play at least 22-25 Major opponents
- 8 conference tourneys (4 Super, 4 Power), noted by location
- NCAA Tourney has 36 autobids (8 Major + BE + 26 mid-major +1?) for conference tourney champs, top 36 at-large teams (72 teams total)
- Optional: +1 = 4 team RS champs tourney, top 4 RS champs losing conference tourney, played final weekend, tourney winner gets NCAA tourney autobid
- NIT and CBI likely unaltered unless minor expansion desired (NIT - up to 34-36 teams, CBI - up to 24 teams)

Non-Revenue Olympic Sports:
- Teams play conference schedule/meets as is within their geographical Major Conferences for remaining sports
- Minimal changes to scheduling and postseason tournaments for each sport

Major Conference (Basketball)
Super

Oregon
UCLA
USC
Washington
(Kansas City)
Arkansas
Texas
Texas A&M
Kansas
Missouri
Oklahoma

Alabama
Auburn
LSU
Mississippi St.
Ole Miss
(Nashville)
Florida
Georgia
Kentucky
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

(Charlotte)
Clemson
Florida St.
South Carolina
Miami (FL)
Maryland
North Carolina
Rutgers
Virginia

Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
(Chicago)
Indiana
Illinois
Northwestern
Purdue
(Chicago)
Michigan
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Penn St.

Power
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
(Las Vegas)
California
Oregon St.
Stanford
Washington St.
San Diego St.?

Baylor
Houston
TCU
Texas Tech
(Dallas)
BYU
Iowa St.
Kansas St.
Oklahoma St.
UNLV?

Duke
NC State
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
(Greensboro)
Georgia Tech
SMU
South Florida
Notre Dame/UCF
Tulane?

Boston College
Connecticut
Pittsburgh
Syracuse
(Brooklyn)
Cincinnati
Louisville
UCF/Notre Dame
West Virginia
Memphis?


Top Mid-Majors (noted, not included in Major Conference, not eligible for 4 team RS champs tourney)
A-10 - Philly
American - Orlando
Big East - NYC
Missouri Valley - STL
Mountain West - Vegas
Gonzaga


Major Conference (Non-Revenue Olympic Sports)
BYU
Iowa St.
Kansas
Kansas St.
Missouri
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
San Diego St.?
UNLV?

Baylor
Houston
SMU
TCU
Texas Tech
Texas
Texas A&M
Memphis?
Tulane?

Note: If 4 additional teams (?) aren't invited, 2 groups above merge, Houston & SMU potentially move to group below

Boston College
Connecticut
Rutgers
Syracuse
Cincinnati
Louisville
Pittsburgh
West Virginia
South Florida
UCF

Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Utah
Oregon
Oregon St.
Washington
Washington St.
California
Stanford
UCLA
USC

Alabama
Auburn
Florida
Georgia
Arkansas
LSU
Mississippi St.
Ole Miss
Kentucky
South Carolina
Tennessee
Vanderbilt

Clemson
Duke
Florida St.
Georgia Tech
Maryland
Miami (FL)
North Carolina
NC State
Notre Dame
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest

Indiana
Illinois
Purdue
Northwestern
Iowa
Minnesota
Nebraska
Wisconsin
Michigan
Michigan St.
Ohio St.
Penn St.
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