(02-15-2024 11:22 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:09 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:55 AM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 09:22 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  Because Daddy Joe is in trouble and needs help

Someone needs to remind JackBois that the defendant has a right to a speedy trial, not JackBOis.

So with all your vast legal training, you feel Jack Smith has to or should have waited the full 8 days given to him to respond? Or was it in his best interest to respond quickly?

Remind us again of your legal bonafides?

Check all of the threads where I completely owned Tanq.

Can someone call the men in the white coats please?

(02-15-2024 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, because it should. There's no need for anyone to have more time at this point. The voters want to know before November.

You'd think the TOTALLY INNOCENT trump would want his name cleared before November since the majority of voters seem to say that this is an issue that will effect their vote.

Maybe they should have indicted him two years ago?

You see, Smith is trying to play this card of “we must get the result prior to the election,” but the problem is why did the indictment take until August of last year, knowing full well it would overlap with election season?

It was a concerted effort to time it just right and now it could blow up in his face.


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"The voters want to know before November."

Bullchit. One side wants him convicted whether he's guilty or not and the other side doesn't care. This will change no ones mind.

(02-15-2024 11:47 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "The voters want to know before November."

Bullchit. One side wants him convicted whether he's guilty or not and the other side doesn't care. This will change no ones mind.

Place me in the 3rd "side". I haven't voted for a Presidential candidate from either party in 2 decades. This year I very well could end up voting Republican, but want to know the outcome of the trials. I know a number of others in my same boat.

(02-15-2024 11:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:47 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "The voters want to know before November."

Bullchit. One side wants him convicted whether he's guilty or not and the other side doesn't care. This will change no ones mind.

Place me in the 3rd "side". I haven't voted for a Presidential candidate from either party in 2 decades. This year I very well could end up voting Republican, but want to know the outcome of the trials. I know a number of others in my same boat.

You say that. Most of your posts say something different.

The truth is, a vote for Biden* is a vote for the further destruction of this country, and a vote for a third party is a vote for Biden*. *shrug*

(02-15-2024 11:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:47 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "The voters want to know before November."

Bullchit. One side wants him convicted whether he's guilty or not and the other side doesn't care. This will change no ones mind.

Place me in the 3rd "side". I haven't voted for a Presidential candidate from either party in 2 decades. This year I very well could end up voting Republican, but want to know the outcome of the trials. I know a number of others in my same boat.

Then the gripe should be directed Smith & the DOJ for waiting until the summer of 2023 to begin the indictment and trial process.

Trump is free to use the process that the law requires to the accused. It was a massive gamble to wait close to an election year where the trial would be conducted. When politics supersedes justice then you get a Special Counsel begging the SCOTUS to intervene on his behalf.

(02-15-2024 09:43 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  No, because it should. There's no need for anyone to have more time at this point. The voters want to know before November.

You'd think the TOTALLY INNOCENT trump would want his name cleared before November since the majority of voters seem to say that this is an issue that will effect their vote.

You're talking about SCOTUS. Where trump has basically a 6-3 head start.


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You yourself... in these two quotes... demonstrate the problem.

1) Jack Smith has his own head start. This has been filed in a 'friendly' jurisdiction... but such a determination by itself would obviously be appealed, eventually to the SCOTUS... and the odds that it gets there and decided before November are slim to none.

It's worth noting that Jack Smith was appointed to this investigation 10 days after the election in 2022.

2) 'The voters want to know'... not really. Democrats already think they know as do Republicans. What you mean is, Democrats want an excuse for tearing the nation apart by subverting the will of the people through the courts that they control (not all of them, just the ones they control) if he wins.... because if he doesn't, it doesn't matter.

3) The laughable 'clear his name' argument. This is not a black and white question... but one of perception. This has been made very clear in the comparisons to words used by Pelosi and others 'taking the fight' to people etc...

(02-15-2024 11:57 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You say that. Most of your posts say something different.

The truth is, a vote for Biden* is a vote for the further destruction of this country, and a vote for a third party is a vote for Biden*. *shrug*

Just because I have made it clear that I despise Trump the person doesn't mean I dislike his policies. I've been very clear on that as well (and wanted RDS to win the nomination). I won't vote for Biden, but I am on the edge of voting Trump only because I despise what the Biden administration has been doing behind the scenes.

But... if it becomes more and more clear that he is guilty then I'll most certainly go back to the Libertarian candidate.

So yes, it is in my personal best interest to see the case be settled before election day.

(02-15-2024 12:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:57 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You say that. Most of your posts say something different.

The truth is, a vote for Biden* is a vote for the further destruction of this country, and a vote for a third party is a vote for Biden*. *shrug*

Just because I have made it clear that I despise Trump the person doesn't mean I dislike his policies. I've been very clear on that as well (and wanted RDS to win the nomination). I won't vote for Biden, but I am on the edge of voting Trump only because I despise what the Biden administration has been doing behind the scenes.

But... if it becomes more and more clear that he is guilty then I'll most certainly go back to the Libertarian candidate.

So yes, it is in my personal best interest to see the case be settled before election day.

Regardless of the countries best interest.

(02-15-2024 12:03 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 12:01 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:57 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  You say that. Most of your posts say something different.

The truth is, a vote for Biden* is a vote for the further destruction of this country, and a vote for a third party is a vote for Biden*. *shrug*

Just because I have made it clear that I despise Trump the person doesn't mean I dislike his policies. I've been very clear on that as well (and wanted RDS to win the nomination). I won't vote for Biden, but I am on the edge of voting Trump only because I despise what the Biden administration has been doing behind the scenes.

But... if it becomes more and more clear that he is guilty then I'll most certainly go back to the Libertarian candidate.

So yes, it is in my personal best interest to see the case be settled before election day.

Regardless of the countries best interest.

Do you vote for your own personal best interest or the country's best interest?

I'll answer it for you... if you were voting for the country's best interest you wouldn't vote for Trump or Biden. You'd vote Libertarian in all elections, getting rid of the tax and spend parties that have very little difference between them.

(02-15-2024 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'll answer it for you... if you were voting for the country's best interest you wouldn't vote for Trump or Biden. You'd vote Libertarian in all elections, getting rid of the tax and spend parties that have very little difference between them.

Oh your principles be damned. Voting Independent is wasting your vote. It helps this country not one bit. Do I wish we had a viable third (or more) party system? Hell yes I do.

But we don't.

Democrats and other prog filth are destroying this country, whether anyone here wants to admit it or not.

(02-15-2024 12:11 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'll answer it for you... if you were voting for the country's best interest you wouldn't vote for Trump or Biden. You'd vote Libertarian in all elections, getting rid of the tax and spend parties that have very little difference between them.

Oh your principles be damned. Voting Independent is wasting your vote. It helps this country not one bit. Do I wish we had a viable third (or more) party system? Hell yes I do.

But we don't.

Democrats and other prog filth are destroying this country, whether anyone here wants to admit it or not.

If you want things to change then people need to take it into their own hands. Instead of voting for the least bad they need to start voting for the good. Unfortunately both parties have fooled us into thinking we have to vote for one or the other. Until a new voice gets injected into the politican narrative we're screwed. Doesn't matter if it is Trump, Biden, RDS, or Haley. It is the same results.

(02-15-2024 11:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:47 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "The voters want to know before November."

Bullchit. One side wants him convicted whether he's guilty or not and the other side doesn't care. This will change no ones mind.

Place me in the 3rd "side". I haven't voted for a Presidential candidate from either party in 2 decades. This year I very well could end up voting Republican, but want to know the outcome of the trials. I know a number of others in my same boat.

You so full of shite, you are not waiting for a guilty, or innocent verdict .....

you made up your mind and it was made long ago. You have repeatedly said Trump should be in jail because of this and had that same opinion with in the last few days. So stop with the bullshite

BTW people that goes to the polls and know when they go into vote they are 100% voting for a loser, with zero chance of that person winning. Then repeat that election after election shouldn't then complain. You probably voted that way without knowing or caring where that person stood on issues.

F'ing little weasels like you piss me way more than the Toms and the pure trolls.

(02-15-2024 12:16 PM)mlb Wrote:  If you want things to change then people need to take it into their own hands. Instead of voting for the least bad they need to start voting for the good. Unfortunately both parties have fooled us into thinking we have to vote for one or the other. Until a new voice gets injected into the politican narrative we're screwed. Doesn't matter if it is Trump, Biden, RDS, or Haley. It is the same results.

The system hides any reasonable/viable third party candidates from gaining traction, so that doesn't help.

There also isn't a trans formative 3rd party candidate that can reshape politics. Honestly, the only chance of this happening is MAGA breaking off from the GOP post Trump, which would ensure decades of Democratic control of government. Democrats are united on keeping power and nothing else. They will change election rules, depart from political norms, and/or silence their own voters (as they are now with the primary process) to control the result.

It's not a perfect scenario, but it can get WAY worse than it is now.

(02-15-2024 12:11 PM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 12:07 PM)mlb Wrote:  I'll answer it for you... if you were voting for the country's best interest you wouldn't vote for Trump or Biden. You'd vote Libertarian in all elections, getting rid of the tax and spend parties that have very little difference between them.

Oh your principles be damned. Voting Independent is wasting your vote. It helps this country not one bit. Do I wish we had a viable third (or more) party system? Hell yes I do.

But we don't.

Democrats and other prog filth are destroying this country, whether anyone here wants to admit it or not.

Trump is as close to a 3rd party that been President in our lifetime.

(02-15-2024 10:53 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 10:09 AM)BigTigerMike Wrote:  A speedy trial is for the benefit of the defendant if they so request it. This ‘public interest’ crap is not for the public benefit but for Biden since he’s the one that will benefit the most if Trump trial is rushed through right now and there’s a conviction

Finding out if he is guilty or not isn't in the public interest before the voters go to the polls?

Same could be said about a laptop with damning evidence proving a man might be compromised...

(02-15-2024 12:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  

(02-15-2024 11:47 AM)BartlettTigerFan Wrote:  "The voters want to know before November."

Bullchit. One side wants him convicted whether he's guilty or not and the other side doesn't care. This will change no ones mind.

Place me in the 3rd "side". I haven't voted for a Presidential candidate from either party in 2 decades. This year I very well could end up voting Republican, but want to know the outcome of the trials. I know a number of others in my same boat.

You so full of shite, you are not waiting for a guilty, or innocent verdict .....

you made up your mind and it was made long ago. You have repeatedly said Trump should be in jail because of this and had that same opinion with in the last few days. So stop with the bullshite

BTW people that goes to the polls and know when they go into vote they are 100% voting for a loser, with zero chance of that person winning. Then repeat that election after election shouldn't then complain. You probably voted that way without knowing or caring where that person stood on issues.

First off, I have said if he can prove he declassified the documents before leaving the White House I would consider it case closed. He hasn't done that. If he didn't, he should have returned the documents when told he needed to. He didn't, he doubled down and told them to kiss the ring. That's when I said he should go to jail if he didn't declassify the documents and refused to return them.

Second off, you keep voting for Republicans who do nothing to stop the growth of the government and the national debt that we grow. Democrats are no better, but the ultimate downfall of our country will be the inflation that comes with this spending. So, while I have voted for 2 decades for people who run on balancing our budget and shrinking the size of the government (let alone keeping our personal liberties in place), you have continued to vote for the parties that brought us the Patriot Act, $30T in national debt, the decline in education, and pretty much every other issue in this country. Don't lecture me on "voting for a loser" when EVERY president in my lifetime has been a loser for me and every regular person in this country.

(02-15-2024 12:22 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  Trump is as close to a 3rd party that been President in our lifetime.

3rd party what? He is just as close as the tax and spend parties that control things today. He didn't balance the budget, he grew the deficit. He didn't fix the border and have Mexico pay for it, he stole money from the DoD budget and built a underwhelming wall.

(02-15-2024 12:17 PM)WKUYG Wrote:  F'ing little weasels like you piss me way more than the Toms and the pure trolls.

How very pompous of you. I'm glad I can piss you off more than others. You just don't like the fact that I don't buy into the Trump is god rhetoric you spout on a regular basis. Give us a real candidate, running on truly cutting the government in size and balancing our budget, and I'm in. The only 2 politicians in my lifetime who have done any of that are Clinton and Newt. I'd be EXTREMELY happy to get back to those 2 guys instead of the idiots at the top of the bill for each party today.