(02-29-2024 11:40 AM)ShakeNBake Wrote:  What does M2 stand for?

Middle, Medium

P2 = Power 2 = B1G, SEC
M2 = Middle 2 = ACC, B12
G5 = Group of 5 = All other FBS conferences
Among independents, Notre Dame is considered a P2 equivalent, all others G5.

The tiers are determined by commercial media contracts. The tier any conference finds itself in is decided by the amount of money a media company is willing to pay it.

That money is driving realignment, as we know. Every school capable of competing at the next level up is trying to get there, as expenses are about to rise.

(02-29-2024 08:52 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 08:46 AM)Yosef181 Wrote:  That's going to be a 'No' from me. G5s would miss out completely on a 5+11.

G5 is much better off in 5+11

1 AQ for top champ and 11 at larges

In 3-3-2-2-1+3 there is one AQ and 3 at larges

I'm sorry, I misunderstood. It was really early when I wrote that.

(02-29-2024 01:03 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  ... Among independents, Notre Dame is considered a P2 equivalent, all others G5. ...

It seems like in 2025, "all others" may be "UConn".

(02-29-2024 01:10 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 01:03 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  ... Among independents, Notre Dame is considered a P2 equivalent, all others G5. ...

It seems like in 2025, "all others" may be "UConn".

That's not a bad deal for UConn if it can take the G5 slot if it's ranked above all G5 conference schools. I doubt the G5 will allow it though.

Assigning slots like FIFA is dumb.

Their ranking system is all made-up nonsense, but if you're committed to using it there's no reason NOT to just seed the thing 1-13 and if there's no G5 in the top 14, they get #14.

(02-29-2024 03:01 PM)JSchmack Wrote:  Assigning slots like FIFA is dumb.

What do you expect when there is serious money involved?

Quote: Their ranking system is all made-up nonsense, but if you're committed to using it there's no reason NOT to just seed the thing 1-13 and if there's no G5 in the top 14, they get #14.

Reason 1: maintain the media value of CCG's via bye into Quarterfinal to the winner
Reason 2: have to distribute money based on number of bids, because they cannot channel extra money through the bowls like they could before, and when there is a fixed stream of money coming in, nobody wants their own share of that to be a crap shoot.

(02-29-2024 08:30 AM)LeeNobody Wrote:  Media reports from Yahoo Sports indicate that a 14 team college football playoff format, granting three AQs to the Big Ten and SEC, two AQ to the ACC, one AQ to the top ranked champ in the G5 conferences and 3 at large bids has been proposed. This effort should be opposed.

All I see here is an effort to enshrine privilege before actual results on the field disprove that the B1G and SEC deserve more. Using the inexact projections of previous seasons into a new format then parading around "evidence" that the SEC and B1G are deserving is a fun house mirror level analysis. Even in these "analysis" the ACC averaged more than 2 bids on average since the BCS Era. What is gained by the ACC and B12 by accepting second tier status? The ACC and B12 expanded to the same degree as the SEC and B12, why are they less deserving of autobids or first round byes? Why should all CFB accept a reduction of at larges from 7 to 3?

If the playoff must expand, a 16 team college football playoff with only 5 autobids for top conference champs better serves the everybody's interests and would make for a more compelling TV product.

A 5+11 playoff could be structured as follows:

Top 4 conference champions would be granted double byes and choice in selecting which of 4 NYD bowl games they would play in.

Seeds 5 through 8 would be granted a single bye and host the first 2 rounds of the playoff

Seeds 9 through 16 would play a 4 game first round at the home fields of cedes 5 through 8 then the winners in the first round would play seeds 5 through 8 the next week. This is summarized below:

1 plays:

(16 v 9 winner ) @ 8 winner

2 plays:

(15 v 10 winner) @ 7 winner

3 plays:

(14 v 11 winner) @ 6 winner

4 plays:

(13 v 12 winner) @ 5 winner

First round would be played the week after championship games. These teams are very likely to not have played in conference championship games so the turnaround will not be so quick. The format is fan friendly fans in the first 2 rounds as they are hosted in the same location. This format have only four games each round to maximize tv windows.

The five top champions and seeding are set by the college football playoff committee. If arguing we are arguing about the committee selecting the correct 16th team then we are capturing the full span of possible national champion contenders, no additional AQs required.

Oh God, not another one of these threads. I'll leave it Frank to break down (again) why this won't happen when he gets here, I don't have the energy to make the same arguments I made in at least one other thread.

(02-29-2024 05:10 PM)C2__ Wrote:  Oh God, not another one of these threads. I'll leave it Frank to break down (again) why this won't happen when he gets here, I don't have the energy to make the same arguments I made in at least one other thread.

Thanks for your valued opinion. The points you made is are very important to the conversation!

Sorry being a fan of an ACC school, ACC and B12 should and will jump at the chance for 3-3-2-2-1

(02-29-2024 07:36 PM)LeeNobody Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 05:10 PM)C2__ Wrote:  Oh God, not another one of these threads. I'll leave it Frank to break down (again) why this won't happen when he gets here, I don't have the energy to make the same arguments I made in at least one other thread.

Thanks for your valued opinion. The points you made is are very important to the conversation!

Read the thread started by the JMU mod this week where he kept insisting that 2 bids per conference was the best way to go for the NCAA Tournament. Or any number of similar threads, even recently except in one where I just noted that a playoff with all conference champions is the most logical way to do a playoff, though that's not really feasible or realistic in college football.. I made the same points in those threads as I would in this thread. Frank did in many too.

It gets tiring remixing and rewriting the same logic over and over again.

(02-29-2024 12:10 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I'd rather just see a 16 team playoff that gave the B1G & SEC 3 spots / ACC & XII 2 spots / G5 2 spots / 4 at-large spots more than a 14 team playoff. OR give the BIG & SEC 4 each and take 2 at-large spots away. G5 having 2 spots is enough that it's better than 1 but not so much more that it should "ruin" the playoff for casual fans who have 2 chances at Cinderella teams.

"a 16 team playoff that gave the B1G & SEC 3 spots / ACC & XII 2 spots / G5 2 spots / 4 at-large spots"

So 3-3-2-2-2-4

Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems more equitable to everyone, while still maintaining space for the moneymakers to have plenty of screen time.

I understand there's a powergrab going on, but setting that aside for a second, what's the downside to this 16 plan?

the G5 is not and will never get 2 playoff spots. I don't know why it's so difficult for folks to accept that. Life ain't fair.

(02-29-2024 09:01 PM)Skyhawk Wrote:  

(02-29-2024 12:10 PM)Troy_Fan_15 Wrote:  I'd rather just see a 16 team playoff that gave the B1G & SEC 3 spots / ACC & XII 2 spots / G5 2 spots / 4 at-large spots more than a 14 team playoff. OR give the BIG & SEC 4 each and take 2 at-large spots away. G5 having 2 spots is enough that it's better than 1 but not so much more that it should "ruin" the playoff for casual fans who have 2 chances at Cinderella teams.

"a 16 team playoff that gave the B1G & SEC 3 spots / ACC & XII 2 spots / G5 2 spots / 4 at-large spots"

So 3-3-2-2-2-4

Maybe I'm missing something, but that seems more equitable to everyone, while still maintaining space for the moneymakers to have plenty of screen time. ...

But either requires many non-champions to play one more game without a bye, or requires the SEC and Big Ten to give up the bye into the quarterfinal which boosts the value of the SEC and Big Ten CCG.