(03-03-2024 05:18 PM)TexanMark Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 12:42 PM)Gitanole Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 10:59 AM)dawgitall Wrote:  Reports of the death of the ACC have been greatly exaggerated.

Few doubt that the ACC can continue to exist as a mid-level league. If ESPN and Notre Dame stay on board, this outcome is practically guaranteed.

We do know, though, that partnership with ESPN is an open question after 2027. If the ACC were to lose 3-6 schools, would ESPN want to renew? Would Notre Dame want to stay on board?

What if they didn't?

This is where those pesky 'reports of death' enter the picture. Much would depend on the choices the remaining schools make.

You really think they'll not renew?

The ACCN is co-owned by both entities

Elon Musk will buy the ACCN and broadcast it all over the world for free. Going to see Clemson jerseys in Mongolia soon.

(03-03-2024 10:20 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:51 AM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  USF is definitely the next school in.

Tulane, UConn, and Memphis are the next tier. Personally, I think Memphis can add a lot but the AAU types might try to block them as they don’t want another Louisville in their midst.

I’m not sure Oregon St and Washington St get strong consideration. I don’t see Cal and Stanford lobbying for them.

I am enjoying the rise in apparent status of USF. A year ago, most (not talking about you, btw) commentators seemed to have us as 4th or 5th in line to get in to the nB12. Now, we seem to head all of the lists to get in to the nB12 or ACC, and there is even talk in some quarters of an eventual SEC invite. AAU was a game-changer, it seems, along with firm moves towards an OCS.

I'm skeptical about all of this, but it is nice. And sometimes talk can manifest stuff. So please keep talking us up.

Tell the USF president he can thank me later!

As has been noted even bad publicity is publicity and when your name is before the public they remember the name longer than the circumstances that put it there. Why else would we remember Amy Fisher, Tanya Harding's buddy Jeff Gillooly, or any of those miscreants. At least USF is in the discussion.

When George Wallace first ran for the State House in Alabama he was excluded from polite society in Montgomery and Birmingham because he was considered to be of rural lineage and they controlled elections through series of swank parties given for candidates that they (the wealthy) endorsed. So Wallace's family and friends would call every ten to fifteen minutes at those parties and have George Wallace paged for a phone call. The attendees heard his name so often at those parties they assumed he was invited and there. He won his seat and the rest as they say is history. USF is being paged a lot these days.

(03-03-2024 08:44 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:21 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:06 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  My guess is the 1st 5 you mentioned in that order (maybe USF moved to 1st priority). I think the academics will be still a sticking point that they'll use on Memphis, but I could see Memphis added to the B12 if they lose Kansas (assuming the other 5 land in the ACC). The question is how many do they lose? My guess is 3-6 (ND may or may not be one of them, also is Kansas 1 of them?). Also wouldn't rule out SDSU if they try to rebuild to 15 and have a western pod, but my guess is if ND leaves, they aim for 4 pods of 4

Agree! Also remember that the ACC can lose three (18 to 15) before really needing to do something as the ESPN TV contract states that membership needs to stay above 15 for the current contract to exist. With the 250M per year bump expected in 2027 (still behind SEC & BIG10) that is huge. What will be interesting is how they (who) prioritize additions, if they fall below 15.

So if FSU, Miami, and Clemson all leave... South Florida probably gets called up ASAP to keep Florida as an "In-State" rate for the ACC Network. The ACC would be at 16.

If FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC & NC State all leave, the ACC would be at 13. First all five would have to pay the exit fee lets say it is 300M a school to leave, so the 13 remaining members will split 1.5B(I am not sold this is going to happen) amongst the 13 members and then the ACC would add USF to get to 14. to get to 15 or 16 the ACC will be able to choose from Oregon State, Washington State, Uconn, or Tulane. Do they take 1 to get to 15 or do they take 2 to get to 16?? What would drive the invite Media Market, TV Households for ACC Network, Academic Ranking? We will just have to wait and see. So far it appears only FSU is wanting to leave. Doesn't mean in 2030 we won't see other teams leave(This is whee I can see some ACC teams jumping to SEC/BIG) and pay less of a fee. In that case we may see Rice, San Diego State and Colorado State rise to the top of expansion based on "new Media Market" data. Something to watch for sure.

If NC State, UNC, and Clemson all leave the ACC has a huge hole in North & South Carolina. Wake and Duke are tiny schools & without Clemson zero schools in South Carolina. If Wake didn't get lucky back in the day and were left out of the ACC they would be Davidson. UNC-Charlotte would be the only school that could get part of the South Carolina market plus Charlotte is a big market that I can't see a reformed ACC not wanting to have a presence. ECU and AppState would be the next two schools to choose from if a reformed ACC really wants a North Carolina presence.

Personally Liberty is a better fit than App. State for the AAC. They have a bigger athletic budget and are better at most all sports. App. State is too much of a one sport pony.

(03-03-2024 08:57 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 08:44 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:21 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:06 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  My guess is the 1st 5 you mentioned in that order (maybe USF moved to 1st priority). I think the academics will be still a sticking point that they'll use on Memphis, but I could see Memphis added to the B12 if they lose Kansas (assuming the other 5 land in the ACC). The question is how many do they lose? My guess is 3-6 (ND may or may not be one of them, also is Kansas 1 of them?). Also wouldn't rule out SDSU if they try to rebuild to 15 and have a western pod, but my guess is if ND leaves, they aim for 4 pods of 4

Agree! Also remember that the ACC can lose three (18 to 15) before really needing to do something as the ESPN TV contract states that membership needs to stay above 15 for the current contract to exist. With the 250M per year bump expected in 2027 (still behind SEC & BIG10) that is huge. What will be interesting is how they (who) prioritize additions, if they fall below 15.

So if FSU, Miami, and Clemson all leave... South Florida probably gets called up ASAP to keep Florida as an "In-State" rate for the ACC Network. The ACC would be at 16.

If FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC & NC State all leave, the ACC would be at 13. First all five would have to pay the exit fee lets say it is 300M a school to leave, so the 13 remaining members will split 1.5B(I am not sold this is going to happen) amongst the 13 members and then the ACC would add USF to get to 14. to get to 15 or 16 the ACC will be able to choose from Oregon State, Washington State, Uconn, or Tulane. Do they take 1 to get to 15 or do they take 2 to get to 16?? What would drive the invite Media Market, TV Households for ACC Network, Academic Ranking? We will just have to wait and see. So far it appears only FSU is wanting to leave. Doesn't mean in 2030 we won't see other teams leave(This is whee I can see some ACC teams jumping to SEC/BIG) and pay less of a fee. In that case we may see Rice, San Diego State and Colorado State rise to the top of expansion based on "new Media Market" data. Something to watch for sure.

If NC State, UNC, and Clemson all leave the ACC has a huge hole in North & South Carolina. Wake and Duke are tiny schools & without Clemson zero schools in South Carolina. If Wake didn't get lucky back in the day and were left out of the ACC they would be Davidson. UNC-Charlotte would be the only school that could get part of the South Carolina market plus Charlotte is a big market that I can't see a reformed ACC not wanting to have a presence. ECU and AppState would be the next two schools to choose from if a reformed ACC really wants a North Carolina presence.

Personally Liberty is a better fit than App. State for the AAC. They have a bigger athletic budget and are better at most all sports. App. State is too much of a one sport pony.

Turtlepower, I want you to read this entire post before replying. I have a lot things that I want to cover here.

1. Appalachian State is not an one trick pony. They have great baseball in addition to awesome football, and they are a part of the UNC system, which means that they have academic pedigree.
2. Liberty should have been invited to the SBC a long time ago when you guys were begging to come in. I wanted you in, but the prevailing consensus was that JMU would help the SBC more than Liberty. I disagree, but at the very least, I wanted you guys & JMU. No dice. ECU & (LOL!!) Memphis are the next SBC targets.
3. I do believe that Liberty would upgrade the AAC.
4. He was talking about the ACC , aka the Atlantic Coast Conference.

(03-03-2024 08:44 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:21 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:06 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  My guess is the 1st 5 you mentioned in that order (maybe USF moved to 1st priority). I think the academics will be still a sticking point that they'll use on Memphis, but I could see Memphis added to the B12 if they lose Kansas (assuming the other 5 land in the ACC). The question is how many do they lose? My guess is 3-6 (ND may or may not be one of them, also is Kansas 1 of them?). Also wouldn't rule out SDSU if they try to rebuild to 15 and have a western pod, but my guess is if ND leaves, they aim for 4 pods of 4

Agree! Also remember that the ACC can lose three (18 to 15) before really needing to do something as the ESPN TV contract states that membership needs to stay above 15 for the current contract to exist. With the 250M per year bump expected in 2027 (still behind SEC & BIG10) that is huge. What will be interesting is how they (who) prioritize additions, if they fall below 15.

So if FSU, Miami, and Clemson all leave... South Florida probably gets called up ASAP to keep Florida as an "In-State" rate for the ACC Network. The ACC would be at 16.

If FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC & NC State all leave, the ACC would be at 13. First all five would have to pay the exit fee lets say it is 300M a school to leave, so the 13 remaining members will split 1.5B(I am not sold this is going to happen) amongst the 13 members and then the ACC would add USF to get to 14. to get to 15 or 16 the ACC will be able to choose from Oregon State, Washington State, Uconn, or Tulane. Do they take 1 to get to 15 or do they take 2 to get to 16?? What would drive the invite Media Market, TV Households for ACC Network, Academic Ranking? We will just have to wait and see. So far it appears only FSU is wanting to leave. Doesn't mean in 2030 we won't see other teams leave(This is whee I can see some ACC teams jumping to SEC/BIG) and pay less of a fee. In that case we may see Rice, San Diego State and Colorado State rise to the top of expansion based on "new Media Market" data. Something to watch for sure.

If NC State, UNC, and Clemson all leave the ACC has a huge hole in North & South Carolina. Wake and Duke are tiny schools & without Clemson zero schools in South Carolina. If Wake didn't get lucky back in the day and were left out of the ACC they would be Davidson. UNC-Charlotte would be the only school that could get part of the South Carolina market plus Charlotte is a big market that I can't see a reformed ACC not wanting to have a presence. ECU and AppState would be the next two schools to choose from if a reformed ACC really wants a North Carolina presence.

Duke & Wake will keep North Carolina. If Clemson leaves then the ACC will have to expand into a new market as there are no South Carolina schools able to back fill. So I can see Tulane or UConn being added as those states would be New markets for the ACC Network.

(03-03-2024 08:57 PM)Turtle Power 98 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 08:44 AM)Brick City Pirate Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:21 AM)GTFletch Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:06 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  My guess is the 1st 5 you mentioned in that order (maybe USF moved to 1st priority). I think the academics will be still a sticking point that they'll use on Memphis, but I could see Memphis added to the B12 if they lose Kansas (assuming the other 5 land in the ACC). The question is how many do they lose? My guess is 3-6 (ND may or may not be one of them, also is Kansas 1 of them?). Also wouldn't rule out SDSU if they try to rebuild to 15 and have a western pod, but my guess is if ND leaves, they aim for 4 pods of 4

Agree! Also remember that the ACC can lose three (18 to 15) before really needing to do something as the ESPN TV contract states that membership needs to stay above 15 for the current contract to exist. With the 250M per year bump expected in 2027 (still behind SEC & BIG10) that is huge. What will be interesting is how they (who) prioritize additions, if they fall below 15.

So if FSU, Miami, and Clemson all leave... South Florida probably gets called up ASAP to keep Florida as an "In-State" rate for the ACC Network. The ACC would be at 16.

If FSU, Miami, Clemson, UNC & NC State all leave, the ACC would be at 13. First all five would have to pay the exit fee lets say it is 300M a school to leave, so the 13 remaining members will split 1.5B(I am not sold this is going to happen) amongst the 13 members and then the ACC would add USF to get to 14. to get to 15 or 16 the ACC will be able to choose from Oregon State, Washington State, Uconn, or Tulane. Do they take 1 to get to 15 or do they take 2 to get to 16?? What would drive the invite Media Market, TV Households for ACC Network, Academic Ranking? We will just have to wait and see. So far it appears only FSU is wanting to leave. Doesn't mean in 2030 we won't see other teams leave(This is whee I can see some ACC teams jumping to SEC/BIG) and pay less of a fee. In that case we may see Rice, San Diego State and Colorado State rise to the top of expansion based on "new Media Market" data. Something to watch for sure.

If NC State, UNC, and Clemson all leave the ACC has a huge hole in North & South Carolina. Wake and Duke are tiny schools & without Clemson zero schools in South Carolina. If Wake didn't get lucky back in the day and were left out of the ACC they would be Davidson. UNC-Charlotte would be the only school that could get part of the South Carolina market plus Charlotte is a big market that I can't see a reformed ACC not wanting to have a presence. ECU and AppState would be the next two schools to choose from if a reformed ACC really wants a North Carolina presence.

Personally Liberty is a better fit than App. State for the AAC. They have a bigger athletic budget and are better at most all sports. App. State is too much of a one sport pony.

Have you checked the Sun Belt Men's Basketball standings lately?

(03-03-2024 03:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  Once FSU buys their way out in order to play up in the Rust Belt, the ACC will feature the only premier P4 in-conference rivalry in FLA: Miami vs South Florida. Both being AAU is a bonus, and they will naturally become each other's chief rival as I imagine FSU will continue to play UF in order to keep at least one local game besides Bethune Cookman or some other cannon fodder.

What the what? At USF and even despite their rise to a power league UCF, the vast majority of students still come in with a higher rooting interest for FSU or UF. Maybe that'll change in another generation or two, but we'll all be dead before Miami v USF is a "premier rivalry" in Florida.

(03-04-2024 08:02 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  Once FSU buys their way out in order to play up in the Rust Belt, the ACC will feature the only premier P4 in-conference rivalry in FLA: Miami vs South Florida. Both being AAU is a bonus, and they will naturally become each other's chief rival as I imagine FSU will continue to play UF in order to keep at least one local game besides Bethune Cookman or some other cannon fodder.

What the what? At USF and even despite their rise to a power league UCF, the vast majority of students still come in with a higher rooting interest for FSU or UF. Maybe that'll change in another generation or two, but we'll all be dead before Miami v USF is a "premier rivalry" in Florida.

Did you miss the “in-conference” part? Because that would be true if FSU is in the Big Ten.

(03-04-2024 09:30 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 08:02 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  Once FSU buys their way out in order to play up in the Rust Belt, the ACC will feature the only premier P4 in-conference rivalry in FLA: Miami vs South Florida. Both being AAU is a bonus, and they will naturally become each other's chief rival as I imagine FSU will continue to play UF in order to keep at least one local game besides Bethune Cookman or some other cannon fodder.

What the what? At USF and even despite their rise to a power league UCF, the vast majority of students still come in with a higher rooting interest for FSU or UF. Maybe that'll change in another generation or two, but we'll all be dead before Miami v USF is a "premier rivalry" in Florida.

Did you miss the “in-conference” part? Because that would be true if FSU is in the Big Ten.

Nope, didn't miss that part. Just because it's "in-conference" doesn't make it "premier" in any way.

(03-04-2024 09:33 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:30 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 08:02 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  Once FSU buys their way out in order to play up in the Rust Belt, the ACC will feature the only premier P4 in-conference rivalry in FLA: Miami vs South Florida. Both being AAU is a bonus, and they will naturally become each other's chief rival as I imagine FSU will continue to play UF in order to keep at least one local game besides Bethune Cookman or some other cannon fodder.

What the what? At USF and even despite their rise to a power league UCF, the vast majority of students still come in with a higher rooting interest for FSU or UF. Maybe that'll change in another generation or two, but we'll all be dead before Miami v USF is a "premier rivalry" in Florida.

Did you miss the “in-conference” part? Because that would be true if FSU is in the Big Ten.

Nope, didn't miss that part. Just because it's "in-conference" doesn't make it "premier" in any way.

Do you understand the definition of premier?

First in status or importance; principal or chief.

The Miami-USF game will be the most important in-conference rivalry in FLA. Currently, that would be Miami-FSU.

Now if FSU ends up in the SEC, then my statement won’t be true. But I have the feeling the Noles are going to pull a Bowden and take the perceived easier path with higher academic accolades. Some things just never change, especially concerning meganolemaniacs.

(03-03-2024 02:57 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 12:59 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 07:06 AM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  My guess is the 1st 5 you mentioned in that order (maybe USF moved to 1st priority). I think the academics will be still a sticking point that they'll use on Memphis, but I could see Memphis added to the B12 if they lose Kansas (assuming the other 5 land in the ACC). The question is how many do they lose? My guess is 3-6 (ND may or may not be one of them, also is Kansas 1 of them?). Also wouldn't rule out SDSU if they try to rebuild to 15 and have a western pod, but my guess is if ND leaves, they aim for 4 pods of 4

I'm beginning to believe that the Big 12 losing Kansas is a certainty. Just a matter of when, IMO.

The question is where does the B1G and SEC stop at adding schools (note, leaving ND off this list because they only join if they choose to join the B1G or SEC and are clearly the best school available) aka it is no longer profitable to add schools short or long term?

FSU
UNC
Clemson
Miami
Virginia
Virginia Tech
NC State
Louisville
Duke
Georgia Tech
Pittsburgh
Stanford
Cal
Syracuse
BC
Wake Forest
SMU
(Order may be off by a spot or 2, different order between B1G and SEC, but should be close enough)

If they stop at an odd number and ND doesn't join, I like Kansas to be added. I think the B1G would stop after Miami, while the SEC stops after Virginia

FSU Big 10
UNC No where
Clemson Big 12
Miami Big 12
Virginia No where
Virginia Tech no where
NC State No where
Louisville no where
Duke no where
Georgia Tech Big 10
Pittsburgh Big 10
Stanford No where
Cal No where
Syracuse No where
BC No where
Wake Forest No where
SMU No where

If the Big 10 strikes first? There is nothing SEC could do to stop them, and they would never grab two schools from the same state. The SEC may look at grabbing these schools.

Kansas or Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Iowa State
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
Colorado or Colorado State
Texas Tech
New Mexico
Arizona or Arizona State
UNLV
San Diego State
Fresno State

(03-04-2024 10:46 AM)DavidSt Wrote:  If the Big 10 strikes first? There is nothing SEC could do to stop them, and they would never grab two schools from the same state. The SEC may look at grabbing these schools.

Kansas or Kansas State
Oklahoma State
Iowa State
TCU
Baylor
Cincinnati
Houston
Colorado or Colorado State
Texas Tech
New Mexico
Arizona or Arizona State
UNLV
San Diego State
Fresno State

Fresno State is an SEC candidate, but Boise State isn't?

(03-04-2024 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:33 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:30 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 08:02 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:50 PM)esayem Wrote:  Once FSU buys their way out in order to play up in the Rust Belt, the ACC will feature the only premier P4 in-conference rivalry in FLA: Miami vs South Florida. Both being AAU is a bonus, and they will naturally become each other's chief rival as I imagine FSU will continue to play UF in order to keep at least one local game besides Bethune Cookman or some other cannon fodder.

What the what? At USF and even despite their rise to a power league UCF, the vast majority of students still come in with a higher rooting interest for FSU or UF. Maybe that'll change in another generation or two, but we'll all be dead before Miami v USF is a "premier rivalry" in Florida.

Did you miss the “in-conference” part? Because that would be true if FSU is in the Big Ten.

Nope, didn't miss that part. Just because it's "in-conference" doesn't make it "premier" in any way.

Do you understand the definition of premier?

First in status or importance; principal or chief.

The Miami-USF game will be the most important in-conference rivalry in FLA. Currently, that would be Miami-FSU.

Now if FSU ends up in the SEC, then my statement won’t be true. But I have the feeling the Noles are going to pull a Bowden and take the perceived easier path with higher academic accolades. Some things just never change, especially concerning meganolemaniacs.

Well, if you want to make worthless semantical arguments: Can you have a "first" with a sample size of one? And, if you can have a "first" with a sample size of one, doesn't that also make the same sample "last?"

And finally: If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

(03-04-2024 11:16 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:33 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:30 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 08:02 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

What the what? At USF and even despite their rise to a power league UCF, the vast majority of students still come in with a higher rooting interest for FSU or UF. Maybe that'll change in another generation or two, but we'll all be dead before Miami v USF is a "premier rivalry" in Florida.

Did you miss the “in-conference” part? Because that would be true if FSU is in the Big Ten.

Nope, didn't miss that part. Just because it's "in-conference" doesn't make it "premier" in any way.

Do you understand the definition of premier?

First in status or importance; principal or chief.

The Miami-USF game will be the most important in-conference rivalry in FLA. Currently, that would be Miami-FSU.

Now if FSU ends up in the SEC, then my statement won’t be true. But I have the feeling the Noles are going to pull a Bowden and take the perceived easier path with higher academic accolades. Some things just never change, especially concerning meganolemaniacs.

Well, if you want to make worthless semantical arguments: Can you have a "first" with a sample size of one? And, if you can have a "first" with a sample size of one, doesn't that also make the same sample "last?"

And finally: If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Is a butthurt poster still butthurt if nobody cares?

(03-04-2024 12:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 11:16 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:33 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:30 AM)esayem Wrote:  Did you miss the “in-conference” part? Because that would be true if FSU is in the Big Ten.

Nope, didn't miss that part. Just because it's "in-conference" doesn't make it "premier" in any way.

Do you understand the definition of premier?

First in status or importance; principal or chief.

The Miami-USF game will be the most important in-conference rivalry in FLA. Currently, that would be Miami-FSU.

Now if FSU ends up in the SEC, then my statement won’t be true. But I have the feeling the Noles are going to pull a Bowden and take the perceived easier path with higher academic accolades. Some things just never change, especially concerning meganolemaniacs.

Well, if you want to make worthless semantical arguments: Can you have a "first" with a sample size of one? And, if you can have a "first" with a sample size of one, doesn't that also make the same sample "last?"

And finally: If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Is a butthurt poster still butthurt if nobody cares?

I mean, you're the one touting Miami-USF as a game anyone will care about?

(03-04-2024 12:21 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 12:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 11:16 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 09:33 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  Nope, didn't miss that part. Just because it's "in-conference" doesn't make it "premier" in any way.

Do you understand the definition of premier?

First in status or importance; principal or chief.

The Miami-USF game will be the most important in-conference rivalry in FLA. Currently, that would be Miami-FSU.

Now if FSU ends up in the SEC, then my statement won’t be true. But I have the feeling the Noles are going to pull a Bowden and take the perceived easier path with higher academic accolades. Some things just never change, especially concerning meganolemaniacs.

Well, if you want to make worthless semantical arguments: Can you have a "first" with a sample size of one? And, if you can have a "first" with a sample size of one, doesn't that also make the same sample "last?"

And finally: If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Is a butthurt poster still butthurt if nobody cares?

I mean, you're the one touting Miami-USF as a game anyone will care about?

Are you saying Miami is a ratings paper tiger that is dependent on who they are playing and they’re the most overrated brand on this site which is why they voted for west coast expansion because they know their options are limited?

(03-04-2024 12:22 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 12:21 PM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 12:19 PM)esayem Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 11:16 AM)djsuperfly Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 10:40 AM)esayem Wrote:  Do you understand the definition of premier?

First in status or importance; principal or chief.

The Miami-USF game will be the most important in-conference rivalry in FLA. Currently, that would be Miami-FSU.

Now if FSU ends up in the SEC, then my statement won’t be true. But I have the feeling the Noles are going to pull a Bowden and take the perceived easier path with higher academic accolades. Some things just never change, especially concerning meganolemaniacs.

Well, if you want to make worthless semantical arguments: Can you have a "first" with a sample size of one? And, if you can have a "first" with a sample size of one, doesn't that also make the same sample "last?"

And finally: If a tree falls in the forest and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?

Is a butthurt poster still butthurt if nobody cares?

I mean, you're the one touting Miami-USF as a game anyone will care about?

Are you saying Miami is a ratings paper tiger that is dependent on who they are playing and they’re the most overrated brand on this site which is why they voted for west coast expansion because they know their options are limited?

Idk. Bryan has posted numbers. Miami has decent enough national numbers. Good enough for the P2? There's a good debate there, I'd imagine.

My point is that the vast majority of CFB fans in the state are FSU/UF fans, and that includes a significant number of USF/UCF students/alumni. Miami-USF could be the "premier in-conference, in-state rivalry" simply because it's the ONLY in-conference, in-state rivalry, but that doesn't give it some great importance in the state. UF-FSU isn't an in-conference game, but it is the most important in the state (yes, even more than the current "premier" in-conference, in-state game.