(03-03-2024 03:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:03 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  UGH.

WE DON'T WANT NC STATE

If North Carolina and Virginia are able to get out of taking little brother with them, the SEC may have no choice but to take NC State and Virginia Tech. At least Virginia Tech would be a cultural fit.

No choice? We don’t NEED to get into Virginia or North Carolina, and we’re certainly not paying million$ per school for the privilege.

This situation is eerily similar to the Calford discussion last year. If the B1G was willing to pass on 2 schools that fit like a glove in every way except football revenues, then why would the SEC behave any differently with cultural fits that don’t bring the bacon?

(03-04-2024 07:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:03 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  UGH.

WE DON'T WANT NC STATE

If North Carolina and Virginia are able to get out of taking little brother with them, the SEC may have no choice but to take NC State and Virginia Tech. At least Virginia Tech would be a cultural fit.

No choice? We don’t NEED to get into Virginia or North Carolina, and we’re certainly not paying million$ per school for the privilege.

This situation is eerily similar to the Calford discussion last year. If the B1G was willing to pass on 2 schools that fit like a glove in every way except football revenues, then why would the SEC behave any differently with cultural fits that don’t bring the bacon?

But...

(03-04-2024 07:29 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  No choice? We don’t NEED to get into Virginia or North Carolina, and we’re certainly not paying million$ per school for the privilege.

This situation is eerily similar to the Calford discussion last year. If the B1G was willing to pass on 2 schools that fit like a glove in every way except football revenues, then why would the SEC behave any differently with cultural fits that don’t bring the bacon?

I think ESPN values UVa way higher than Fox did Cal. However, UVa could be a package deal as well. But I disagree about NCSU. At the very least, Duke would get looked at.

(03-04-2024 07:09 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  Ideally the ACC would get TCU, Utah, Arizona State, and Kansas.

KU is a possibility, but they are looking P2. I don’t buy the other three at all. Some fan fic all coasts conference. As unlikely as the Big 12 poaching Cal even for a minimal exit fee buyout.

48 team super conference with 24 SEC and 24 B1G to split all the money and have one champion:

SEC
- Virginia Tech, NC State, Clemson, S. Carolina, FSU, Miami
- Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
- Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU
- Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Colorado

B1G
- Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State
- Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue
- Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
- Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington

XII
- West Virginia, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Duke, Wake Forest
- Houston, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, SMU, Memphis
- Kansas State, Iowa State, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College
- Utah, BYU, Arizona, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Washington State

Large conferences don't merge. The stronger conference takes what it wants from the weaker conference.

(03-04-2024 10:03 AM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  The ACC has been destabilized by their own ridiculously long media deal and FSU. Only PAC2 and American teams would be willing to jump to that unstable mess.

Most likely FSU and Notre Dame leave and the ACC is able to stop the bleeding and stay together till 2036. No need to add and dilute the value further. The SMU fiasco was enough to curb G5 Call-Ups.

First paragraph: A
2nd paragraph: C- for mentioning ND

(03-04-2024 06:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Yeah. I haven’t seen anyone talking about the ACC raiding the B12 except me.

It’s because the schools will pocket that money for themselves and not pay to poach. Now, if you could convince schools like WF and BC to use their FSU exit fees to poach the Big 12, that may do it. I think UCF and UC are must haves. I don’t think Utah and ASU are going… sorry.

The problem with a theoretical ACC raid of the big 12 is that none of the Big 12 schools are interested. I don’t think any of them will be interested down the road, even if the ACC remains fully intact, bc the long term value of the 2 conferences as currently constituted is roughly equal.

Big 10 is national. SEC is regional.

ND
FSU
Clemson
Miami

All Big bound

(03-04-2024 09:52 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  The problem with a theoretical ACC raid of the big 12 is that none of the Big 12 schools are interested. I don’t think any of them will be interested down the road, even if the ACC remains fully intact, bc the long term value of the 2 conferences as currently constituted is roughly equal.

Perception is bad now, but if you could consolidate Fla and get UCF a more or less par payout, I think they jump. Much easier to play schools in Ga and Carolina as opposed to 3-4 games out in the midwest and mountain every year. Again, if BC and WF want to save themselves, you solidify your conference now and use every penny to fend off the Big 12 and solidify the ACC. Houston is also an attractive candidate but you won't convince them. I think they ultimately need to replace FSU, Clemson, and ND, and the only schools that somewhat close that gap are UCF and UC. WVU probably the odd man out of the three, although they are a possibility.

I also think the associations with CalFurd are modestly appealing, but it's not like they'd play there every year. Once in four years?

(03-04-2024 09:52 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:19 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  

(03-04-2024 06:06 PM)random asian guy Wrote:  Yeah. I haven’t seen anyone talking about the ACC raiding the B12 except me.

It’s because the schools will pocket that money for themselves and not pay to poach. Now, if you could convince schools like WF and BC to use their FSU exit fees to poach the Big 12, that may do it. I think UCF and UC are must haves. I don’t think Utah and ASU are going… sorry.

The problem with a theoretical ACC raid of the big 12 is that none of the Big 12 schools are interested. I don’t think any of them will be interested down the road, even if the ACC remains fully intact, bc the long term value of the 2 conferences as currently constituted is roughly equal.

The problem with any of it is the ACC schools already make more thanks to the ACCN. Besides, I’m not convinced the Big XII adding any other schools actually makes them money; ya know, your entire dilute the pie argument you use for the SEC all the time? Plus, they’re out of pro-rata until their next deal.

The ACC has one pro-rata addition left that is guaranteed not to dilute the pie and they will hold that card close to the vest.

I think the reality here is the ACC and Big XII are similar to the early 2000’s versions of C-USA and the Mountain West and we need to have people accept that.

(03-05-2024 08:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC has one pro-rata addition left that is guaranteed not to dilute the pie and they will hold that card close to the vest.

W/ regards to pro-rata additions, if a school leaves, does the conference get back one pro-rata card? E.g., if FSU/Miami left, would the ACC be using it's last pro-rata on USF, or just slotting USF into a departee's slot? Or if ASU left, would the B12 get to add SDSt or OSU at pro-rata or would they have to negotiate w/ the networks on the value?

(03-03-2024 03:26 PM)JamesHowell Wrote:  A merged ACC/B12 would also allow the playoff to stay at 12 teams: 3 bids to the Big Ten, 3 bids to the SEC; 2 bids to the ACC/B12, 1 bid to the top rated G5 champ, and 3 at-large. First round byes to the champions of Big Ten (Rose Bowl), SEC (Sugar Bowl), ACC/B12 (Orange Bowl), and G5 (Fiesta Bowl) with the other eight teams seeded and playing the first round on campus with the winners facing the four bye teams.

A merger of the ACC & B12 only happens if the B1G & SEC first execute a plan to expand their respective conferences to 22 or 24 teams each. Something would need to change to encourage the media partners to want further consolidation. If the SEC is expanding to 24 teams, then the chances of core ACC programs going to the SEC are much greater.

(03-05-2024 11:06 AM)gwelymernans Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 08:22 AM)esayem Wrote:  The ACC has one pro-rata addition left that is guaranteed not to dilute the pie and they will hold that card close to the vest.

W/ regards to pro-rata additions, if a school leaves, does the conference get back one pro-rata card? E.g., if FSU/Miami left, would the ACC be using it's last pro-rata on USF, or just slotting USF into a departee's slot? Or if ASU left, would the B12 get to add SDSt or OSU at pro-rata or would they have to negotiate w/ the networks on the value?

That’s a good question. I imagine there are x amount of pro-rata shares when the deal was signed.

I know there is a desire to have bigger SEC and B1G with a consolidated 3rd conference of "best of the rest", but these best of the rest, whether G5 or anything else, never come to pass. Nobody wants to be categorized as just a "best of the rest." As for FOX and ESPN, they both want their own 2nd tier conferences for programming, not a single 3rd wheel. Neither is going to restructure their contracts for a 3rd place consolidation.

2+2 is going to be the setup for a good while to come.

(03-04-2024 08:31 PM)tigergatorcyclone Wrote:  48 team super conference with 24 SEC and 24 B1G to split all the money and have one champion:

SEC
- Virginia Tech, NC State, Clemson, S. Carolina, FSU, Miami
- Florida, Georgia, Tennessee, Alabama, Auburn, Vanderbilt
- Kentucky, Missouri, Kansas, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU
- Texas, Texas A&M, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Arizona State, Colorado

B1G
- Virginia, UNC, Georgia Tech, Maryland, Rutgers, Penn State
- Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue
- Northwestern, Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska
- Cal, Stanford, USC, UCLA, Oregon, Washington

XII
- West Virginia, UCF, USF, Cincinnati, Duke, Wake Forest
- Houston, Texas Tech, TCU, Baylor, SMU, Memphis
- Kansas State, Iowa State, Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt, Boston College
- Utah, BYU, Arizona, Oklahoma State, Oregon State, Washington State

I think this is an pretty solid setup you have here. I think Duke over GT and Miami but I won't quibble. But I definitely don't like that ASU and Colorado adds much. I see you added USF and Memphis that seems fine. I am wondering if BC/Wake/OrSt/Wazzu are not added though. I bet you've just sectioned the schools off but there can't be a return to divisions where one is extremely dominant again in B10.

I could see the B1G taking UVa VaTech at a similar price as UW UO. Think that would pair well with Miami FSU. All three come in at partial shares sans FSU. Stanford and ND would get you to 24.

Clemson Duke UNC to the SEC. Then you could look at KU for 20.

(03-03-2024 03:57 PM)andybible1995 Wrote:  

(03-03-2024 03:03 PM)bryanw1995 Wrote:  UGH.

WE DON'T WANT NC STATE

If North Carolina and Virginia are able to get out of taking little brother with them, the SEC may have no choice but to take NC State and Virginia Tech. At least Virginia Tech would be a cultural fit.

NC State is a far more football cultural fit than UNC. Don't get me wrong, I get why SEC wants UNC but UNC fits the B10 far better than the SEC. I would say the same thing about UVA and VT.