(03-06-2024 11:17 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 10:25 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I really think St Thomas is going to be successful, long-term. Gets the BE into the MSP market. To be clear, i'm not saying send the invite tomorrow, but they should IMO be on the short list for potential expansion

In the world of cable and streaming, markets mean little. It's not like the Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, and Oxford TV markets drive the SEC to $100 million a year in media rights: they are national products.

Dayton is "Big East ready" (great history/tradition, huge fan base, prime Midwest location, name recognition, etc.)

But the BE seemingly is not in expansion mode.

I do think Saint Thomas is worth watching during the next 10 years or so.

(03-06-2024 01:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Dayton is "Big East ready" (great history/tradition, huge fan base, prime Midwest location, name recognition, etc.)

Except...conferences want schools that are well represented across all conference sponsored sports. Dayton only sponsors 6 of the 10 Big East sponsored men's sports and 8 of the 12 sponsored for women. (Yes, Creighton also sponsors just six Big East men's sports, but it's not ideal.)

(03-06-2024 04:57 PM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 01:10 PM)bill dazzle Wrote:  Dayton is "Big East ready" (great history/tradition, huge fan base, prime Midwest location, name recognition, etc.)

Except...conferences want schools that are well represented across all conference sponsored sports. Dayton only sponsors 6 of the 10 Big East sponsored men's sports and 8 of the 12 sponsored for women. (Yes, Creighton also sponsors just six Big East men's sports, but it's not ideal.)

Fair point. I should have been specific and noted "Big East men's basketball ready."

(03-05-2024 01:57 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  The 63 DI schools in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones should form a consortium with three tiers of 21, 21, and 21 schools which would play a single round-robin with pro/rel between the tiers. There could still be an opportunity for play in the NCAAT first tier with 2 AQ from Tier 1, 2 from Tier 2, and 1 from Tier 3.

Big Sky 10
Big West 11
Mountain West 11
PAC-12 12
WCC 9
WAC: 6 Seattle, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Utah Valley, Southern Utah, Utah Tech
CUSA: 2 UTEP, NMSU
Summit: 1 Denver
Big XII: 1 BYU

Potential Lineups (Based on NET):

Tier 1: Arizona, BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Diego State, Boise State, New Mexico, Colorado, Colorado State, Utah State, Washington State, Nevada, Utah, Grand Canyon, San Francisco, Oregon, Washington, UC-Irvine, UNLV, USC, Santa Clara

Tier 2: , UC-San Diego, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Seattle, Arizona State, Eastern Washington, Weber State, Montana, Oregon State, Wyoming, Utah Valley, Hawai'i, Long Beach State, UC-Davis, Northern Colorado, Cal Baptist, Loyola Marymount, UTEP, UC-Santa Barbara, Fresno State

Tier 3: CSU-Fullerton, CSU-Northridge, San Jose State, Pepperdine, UC-Riverside, Montana State, Idaho State, Portland State, CSU-Bakersfield, San Diego, Denver, Southern Utah, Air Force, Utah Tech, New Mexico State, Portland, Northern Arizona, Idaho, Sacramento State, Cal Poly, Pacific

Hawaii isn’t in Mountain or Pacific time zones.

(03-06-2024 08:57 PM)Todor Wrote:  

(03-05-2024 01:57 AM)jimrtex Wrote:  The 63 DI schools in the Mountain and Pacific Time Zones should form a consortium with three tiers of 21, 21, and 21 schools which would play a single round-robin with pro/rel between the tiers. There could still be an opportunity for play in the NCAAT first tier with 2 AQ from Tier 1, 2 from Tier 2, and 1 from Tier 3.

Big Sky 10
Big West 11
Mountain West 11
PAC-12 12
WCC 9
WAC: 6 Seattle, Cal Baptist, Grand Canyon, Utah Valley, Southern Utah, Utah Tech
CUSA: 2 UTEP, NMSU
Summit: 1 Denver
Big XII: 1 BYU

Potential Lineups (Based on NET):

Tier 1: Arizona, BYU, Gonzaga, St. Mary's, San Diego State, Boise State, New Mexico, Colorado, Colorado State, Utah State, Washington State, Nevada, Utah, Grand Canyon, San Francisco, Oregon, Washington, UC-Irvine, UNLV, USC, Santa Clara

Tier 2: , UC-San Diego, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Seattle, Arizona State, Eastern Washington, Weber State, Montana, Oregon State, Wyoming, Utah Valley, Hawai'i, Long Beach State, UC-Davis, Northern Colorado, Cal Baptist, Loyola Marymount, UTEP, UC-Santa Barbara, Fresno State

Tier 3: CSU-Fullerton, CSU-Northridge, San Jose State, Pepperdine, UC-Riverside, Montana State, Idaho State, Portland State, CSU-Bakersfield, San Diego, Denver, Southern Utah, Air Force, Utah Tech, New Mexico State, Portland, Northern Arizona, Idaho, Sacramento State, Cal Poly, Pacific

Hawaii isn’t in Mountain or Pacific time zones.

Well it is one of the 57 States, isn't it?

(03-06-2024 11:17 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  

(03-06-2024 10:25 AM)gosports1 Wrote:  I really think St Thomas is going to be successful, long-term. Gets the BE into the MSP market. To be clear, i'm not saying send the invite tomorrow, but they should IMO be on the short list for potential expansion

In the world of cable and streaming, markets mean little. It's not like the Tuscaloosa, Knoxville, and Oxford TV markets drive the SEC to $100 million a year in media rights: they are national products.

True, but those schools bring the state not just the town. Being the only D1 private school in the region (MN and the Dakotas) and one of 2 in Minnesota should bring benefits for not only the school itself but for the league they belong to.