What a big fat mess.

So there's what, 34 teams in the Big Whatever/SEC combined? So they've created NFL-lite officially? Are they going to allow teams from other conferences into the playoffs that were just created? Or is that out the window too?

(03-08-2024 01:55 PM)Big Frog II Wrote:  What a big fat mess.

You have to keep in mind, with the top two CCs getting a bye in a hypothetical 5+9, this re-instates the value of the M2s CCGs, however illusory the value there is (we all know they'd never be ranked in the top 2 more than a handful of times over 25 years). However, ESPN would want to keep that value there.

But 2/2/1/1 sort of devalues the P2 CCGs in a big way... something is clearly amiss here.

(03-08-2024 01:48 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I don't think we're ever going back to where olympic sports conferences are double round robins for basketball. Why not? Because it works. You can avoid playing dregs in the conference which help your SOS out. See Wake Forest this year as a good example. 3 bad teams in the confrence, but only play 4 games vs those 3.

A part of me wouldn't be surprised if a team played their rivals twice and everyone else once. Also wouldn't be surprised if the high mid-majors playing everyone once, then the top teams play each other twice along with missed rivals to try to get multiple teams in their conference into the tournament. I could understand trying to get the non-revenue olympic sports more geographical to reduce their travel costs, but football and basketball are definitely going national.

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%.

Pretty close to what I thought with regarc to Ps and Ms, though I didn't think Gs would get cut.

I was expecting 50% for the B1G/SEC, and 40% for the ACC/B12. That would have allowed for some stabilization of the realignment drama, while still differentiating a top tier. Oh well

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Ross’s follow up tweet:
“ In a CFP revenue model being socialized, SEC & Big Ten would combine to earn 58% of the $1.3B in revenue and ACC & Big 12 would split 32%, sources tell @YahooSports.

A far stretch from the former model, which saw the Power 5 split evenly 80% of the base”

This proposal shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. I still think it’s better than a P2 split.

With realignment this should have been expected. I’m more shocked that fans are shocked. It’s been trending towards this for awhile.

As a bias UCF fan, I’m okay being middle class with playoff autobids. I’m hoping Miami gets stuck in middle class with us as unlikely as that is. The ACC and Big 12 have an easier path to the playoff and the revenue distribution reflects that.

It’s shockingly greedy, the Big Ten and SEC deserve more, but not that much more

(03-08-2024 02:10 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%.

Pretty close to what I thought with regarc to Ps and Ms, though I didn't think Gs would get cut.

I was expecting 50% for the B1G/SEC, and 40% for the ACC/B12. That would have allowed for some stabilization of the realignment drama, while still differentiating a top tier. Oh well

I was expecting about 50% more not 100%. They already have 30 mil on tv per year per school

(03-08-2024 02:10 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%.

Pretty close to what I thought with regarc to Ps and Ms, though I didn't think Gs would get cut.

I was expecting 50% for the B1G/SEC, and 40% for the ACC/B12. That would have allowed for some stabilization of the realignment drama, while still differentiating a top tier. Oh well

Probably won't happen, but 27/27/18/18/9/1
27% for B1G/SEC (3 bids each)
18% for ACC/B12 (2 bids each)
9% for G5 (2.25% for AAC/MWC, 1.5% for CUSA, MAC, & SBC, 1 bid total)
1% for ND, (3 at-large)

(03-08-2024 02:10 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I was expecting 50% for the B1G/SEC, and 40% for the ACC/B12. That would have allowed for some stabilization of the realignment drama, while still differentiating a top tier. Oh well

We all know the SEC and B1G are driving this train.

What makes you think either of the P2 prefers stability when there’s still meat on the bone?

(03-08-2024 02:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Ross’s follow up tweet:
“ In a CFP revenue model being socialized, SEC & Big Ten would combine to earn 58% of the $1.3B in revenue and ACC & Big 12 would split 32%, sources tell @YahooSports.

A far stretch from the former model, which saw the Power 5 split evenly 80% of the base”

This proposal shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. I still think it’s better than a P2 split.

With realignment this should have been expected. I’m more shocked that fans are shocked. It’s been trending towards this for awhile.

As a bias UCF fan, I’m okay being middle class with playoff autobids. I’m hoping Miami gets stuck in middle class with us as unlikely as that is. The ACC and Big 12 have an easier path to the playoff and the revenue distribution reflects that.

It’s shockingly greedy, the Big Ten and SEC deserve more, but not that much more

We ALL make more in the new CFP.

Big 12 is moving from $73.6M to $196.8M
That's a $123.2M boost!

ACC is moving from $73.6M to $232.9M
That's a $159.3M boost!

How is that not enough to appease the middle class?

(03-08-2024 02:29 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 02:10 PM)Wahoowa84 Wrote:  I was expecting 50% for the B1G/SEC, and 40% for the ACC/B12. That would have allowed for some stabilization of the realignment drama, while still differentiating a top tier. Oh well

We all know the SEC and B1G are driving this train.

What makes you think either of the P2 prefers stability when there’s still meat on the bone?

Yea I'm sure this is not the end of the changes.

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%.

Pretty close to what I thought with regarc to Ps and Ms, though I didn't think Gs would get cut.

What percentage would the M2 get if they agree to leave NCAA football with the P2? A 29%, 29%, 20%, and 20% split would be a little easier to bear.

(03-08-2024 02:36 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 02:17 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Ross’s follow up tweet:
“ In a CFP revenue model being socialized, SEC & Big Ten would combine to earn 58% of the $1.3B in revenue and ACC & Big 12 would split 32%, sources tell @YahooSports.

A far stretch from the former model, which saw the Power 5 split evenly 80% of the base”

This proposal shouldn’t be shocking to anyone. I still think it’s better than a P2 split.

With realignment this should have been expected. I’m more shocked that fans are shocked. It’s been trending towards this for awhile.

As a bias UCF fan, I’m okay being middle class with playoff autobids. I’m hoping Miami gets stuck in middle class with us as unlikely as that is. The ACC and Big 12 have an easier path to the playoff and the revenue distribution reflects that.

It’s shockingly greedy, the Big Ten and SEC deserve more, but not that much more

We ALL make more in the new CFP.

Big 12 is moving from $73.6M to $196.8M
That's a $123.2M boost!

ACC is moving from $73.6M to $232.9M
That's a $159.3M boost!

How is that not enough to appease the middle class?

Everything is relative when you have to compete in the playoffs.

B1G is moving from $73.6M to $378M
That's a $305M boost!

SEC is moving from $73.6M to $368M
That's a $295M boost!

It was on-field performance that allowed for differentiation (e.g., hosting games). Now the bias will be built further into the foundation.

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

Ding ding ding! This is exactly the angle they are going for.

The question is will the new organization be just for football or all sports. My guess is just football for now.

I need KU in the SEC like yesterday.

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

XII going for the look-in for 2028.

Knows it won't be long until its all over.

(03-08-2024 03:06 PM)AzonTheKid Wrote:  I need KU in the SEC like yesterday.

I need a new hobby for Saturday afternoons - and Tuesday nights

(03-08-2024 03:00 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 02:54 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 01:26 PM)PeteTheChop Wrote:  

(03-08-2024 12:30 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  Proposal floated gives SEC and B1G about 29% of CFP revenue each, ACC and B12 get around 15%, G4 and ND get 10%

What will those percentages be once the SEC and BIG gut the ACC like a Carolina Mountain Trout?

I don't think the play here is what Dellenger thinks it is. By pushing for the unacceptable the Big 10 and SEC is beckoning the ACC and Big 12 to join them in an upper tier where they don't split the playoff money between the G5 and N.D.

That single move would enable the SEC and Big 10 to consolidate the entire playoff among the now P4 and force Notre Dame into a conference if they want a decent share.

There might still be some moves to take the SEC and Big 10 to 20 with the coalescing of a third conference out of the ACC and Big 12. But the point is all of the money stays with the upper tier which is what the networks and conferences are working toward without saying so.

Ding ding ding! This is exactly the angle they are going for.

The question is will the new organization be just for football or all sports. My guess is just football for now.

All revenue sports. They know that already. There is no need to declare it until some basketball brands are taken. Pile of money #2 to help with the leap to professionalization of revenue sports will be a basketball tournament coupled with the baseball and softball tournaments and women's hoops tourney.

(03-08-2024 12:49 PM)GoBuckeyes1047 Wrote:  There's a bit in this article besides payout negotiations.

- Talks of 2/2/1/1/1+7 and 5+9 in addition to the 3/3/2/2/1+3 for a 14 team CFP.

- Clemson quietly planning an ACC escape.

- Not new, if ESPN doesn't exercise the ACC media contract, the magnificent 7 potentially reforming a smaller league
(my opinion, add Louisville, need 8 teams for CFP & NCAA, and keep ND olympic sports plus a 4 game scheduling agreement for football, maybe Duke too because basketball)

- Another mention of AAC and MWC viewed as above the rest of G5

That was a statement by the Washington State President who clearly has an agenda when it comes to the MWC. As to the AAC, historically speaking he would be correct.