(04-22-2024 10:57 AM)Claw Wrote:  Well, ole Cal is getting some help bringing his KY recruits with him to Arkansas.

Quote:“Jerry Jones is reportedly offering DOUBLE whatever the Kentucky commits were making to come to Arkansas

Report: Jerry Jones makes lucrative offer to Kentucky commits to come to Arkansas

Actually in this day and age, I think that the traditional P4 basketball schools that are weak in football (Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Indiana) may soon face a reckoning. The cost of basketball (including NIL) is insignificant compared to the cost of football. We've already seen where now, Auburn and Ole Miss are willing to spend as much as us on basketball. We may be to a point where they're willing to spend as much as Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke. Add in the assumption that basketball coaches at football schools typically don't feel as much pressure as at basketball schools. It may soon be very hard for basketball schools to compete with football schools.

(04-18-2024 08:00 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:50 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 05:54 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 11:52 AM)Claw Wrote:  

(04-14-2024 07:24 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote:  We make lazy hires. 3 in a row for hoops and they just gave an extension to a football coach that no other school in America wants. But they also are playing with the hand they’ve been dealt - terrible conference on the outside looking in & a city that is circling the toilet

Pearl might still come. Auburn has no facility for men's basketball. They share with other sports.

Pearl is averaging $6.275 million over the rest of his contract. He's in an undeniably better conference and Auburn is probably a better job at this point. The only time he was a realistic option was when he was in the wilderness and the fan base still loved Pastner.

Pearl would not come here now. Drew would not come here now.

The AAC is straight up garbage in bb and Memphis hasn't done crap in almost 2 decades. Ain't no coach that's established signing up for that. We can get up and comers (maybe) who want to use Memphis as a stepping stone or has beens and retreads trying to recapture the glory. That's it.

Just curious who has UM ever stole from P4 school that was successful.

Iba? Bartow? Yates? Kirk? Finch? Jones? Calapari? Tubbs? Partner? They were either up and coming, assistant coach on staff or retreads

Rex Dockery

(04-22-2024 09:42 PM)Cletus Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 08:00 PM)tpaw09 Wrote:  

(04-18-2024 07:50 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 05:54 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(04-16-2024 11:52 AM)Claw Wrote:  Pearl might still come. Auburn has no facility for men's basketball. They share with other sports.

Pearl is averaging $6.275 million over the rest of his contract. He's in an undeniably better conference and Auburn is probably a better job at this point. The only time he was a realistic option was when he was in the wilderness and the fan base still loved Pastner.

Pearl would not come here now. Drew would not come here now.

The AAC is straight up garbage in bb and Memphis hasn't done crap in almost 2 decades. Ain't no coach that's established signing up for that. We can get up and comers (maybe) who want to use Memphis as a stepping stone or has beens and retreads trying to recapture the glory. That's it.

Just curious who has UM ever stole from P4 school that was successful.

Iba? Bartow? Yates? Kirk? Finch? Jones? Calapari? Tubbs? Partner? They were either up and coming, assistant coach on staff or retreads

Rex Dockery

They might have been Rex saving himself bc he Was trending down quickly at Tech

(04-22-2024 12:09 PM)micman Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:57 AM)Claw Wrote:  Well, ole Cal is getting some help bringing his KY recruits with him to Arkansas.

Quote:“Jerry Jones is reportedly offering DOUBLE whatever the Kentucky commits were making to come to Arkansas

Report: Jerry Jones makes lucrative offer to Kentucky commits to come to Arkansas

Actually in this day and age, I think that the traditional P4 basketball schools that are weak in football (Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Indiana) may soon face a reckoning. The cost of basketball (including NIL) is insignificant compared to the cost of football. We've already seen where now, Auburn and Ole Miss are willing to spend as much as us on basketball. We may be to a point where they're willing to spend as much as Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke. Add in the assumption that basketball coaches at football schools typically don't feel as much pressure as at basketball schools. It may soon be very hard for basketball schools to compete with football schools.

There's no such thing as a basketball school anymore when it comes to the B1G and the SEC. You should research (my apologies if you already have, because I'm not saying this to come across like an arrogant jerk) how much NIL is being spent by each of the three universities you mentioned EXCEPT Duke, which doesn't get nearly as much money from football revenues as the other three. And it's why Clemson and Florida State want out of the ACC.

And ACC basketball schools are going to be in decline very soon if their football teams can't get the kind of money to compete with the B1G and the SEC money they're getting.

I predict (feel free to mark the post-- and I actually hope I'm wrong) that no ACC team is going to win another Basketball championship for the next 10 years.

On the other hand, IU is doing the best job so far at spending NIL to get a good basketball team again. They may actually become relevant again.

And UK will surprise next year. Before all is said and done, they'll have a basketball team bought and paid for that will definitely make it past the first round of March Madness this next year. And it'll be due to donors that were offended by CAL who are already ponying up millions in NIL, since he's now gone, that they were already donating to the football program.

The TV deals that the SEC and B1G make them both super-leagues for getting more NIL money (like IU is getting now in basketball) based on their football league revenue deals.

The rich are getting richer, and the poor (unfortunately) are going to be getting poorer. And what defines the rich is being in the right football conference.

The only reason Cal might even have a chance to win at Arkansas, is because it's a football school, in the SEC, and the NIL flows to all programs. (And it doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones, the Tyson Chicken guy, and the Waltons are contributors).

But the only reason I don't see Arkansas winning any basketball championships is simply because of Calipari's lack of on court coaching (like blowing a nine point lead in the last two minutes of a National Championship game), will probably still never allow him to get a second championship. There's never been a guy who can get more talent and squander it as a coach, then have that talent end up being superstars in the NBA where they're constantly in the mix for championships (because they have people who can coach, and their talent isn't being squandered by Cal). Carter Knox just re-committed to play for Cal. And everything he said was related to how Cal promised to make him a Pro. The one and dones he gets will play their year struggling to win their first NCAA Madness game, just like what has happened at UK the last five years, because this type of success isn't successful any more. NIL has created a completely new ballgame and Cal's way of success is going to relegate him to the likes of Tubby Smith.

And I'll add one more prediction. The name of biggest badass most currently admired basketball school that's going to have a hard time VERY soon maintaining relevancy, because of the very fact it's not in a decent football conference (and won't be because it's football team sucks) : UConn. Maybe he'll get his three-peat. But it's an anomaly. It won't last, just like UCLA wouldn't have ever had a chance to win another championship it if hadn't been recruited into the B1G.

When the two super football conferences decide to part ways with the NCAA, and perhaps the other two power four follow, then March Madness games, for the schools still tied into the NCAA, will be the new NIT tournament.

Like it or not (and hope I'm wrong), but that's where I see things are heading.

(04-23-2024 06:53 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:09 PM)micman Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:57 AM)Claw Wrote:  Well, ole Cal is getting some help bringing his KY recruits with him to Arkansas.

Quote:“Jerry Jones is reportedly offering DOUBLE whatever the Kentucky commits were making to come to Arkansas

Report: Jerry Jones makes lucrative offer to Kentucky commits to come to Arkansas

Actually in this day and age, I think that the traditional P4 basketball schools that are weak in football (Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Indiana) may soon face a reckoning. The cost of basketball (including NIL) is insignificant compared to the cost of football. We've already seen where now, Auburn and Ole Miss are willing to spend as much as us on basketball. We may be to a point where they're willing to spend as much as Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke. Add in the assumption that basketball coaches at football schools typically don't feel as much pressure as at basketball schools. It may soon be very hard for basketball schools to compete with football schools.

There's no such thing as a basketball school anymore when it comes to the B1G and the SEC. You should research (my apologies if you already have, because I'm not saying this to come across like an arrogant jerk) how much NIL is being spent by each of the three universities you mentioned EXCEPT Duke, which doesn't get nearly as much money from football revenues as the other three. And it's why Clemson and Florida State want out of the ACC.

And ACC basketball schools are going to be in decline very soon if their football teams can't get the kind of money to compete with the B1G and the SEC money they're getting.

I predict (feel free to mark the post-- and I actually hope I'm wrong) that no ACC team is going to win another Basketball championship for the next 10 years.

On the other hand, IU is doing the best job so far at spending NIL to get a good basketball team again. They may actually become relevant again.

And UK will surprise next year. Before all is said and done, they'll have a basketball team bought and paid for that will definitely make it past the first round of March Madness this next year. And it'll be due to donors that were offended by CAL who are already ponying up millions in NIL, since he's now gone, that they were already donating to the football program.

The TV deals that the SEC and B1G make them both super-leagues for getting more NIL money (like IU is getting now in basketball) based on their football league revenue deals.

The rich are getting richer, and the poor (unfortunately) are going to be getting poorer. And what defines the rich is being in the right football conference.

The only reason Cal might even have a chance to win at Arkansas, is because it's a football school, in the SEC, and the NIL flows to all programs. (And it doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones, the Tyson Chicken guy, and the Waltons are contributors).

But the only reason I don't see Arkansas winning any basketball championships is simply because of Calipari's lack of on court coaching (like blowing a nine point lead in the last two minutes of a National Championship game), will probably still never allow him to get a second championship. There's never been a guy who can get more talent and squander it as a coach, then have that talent end up being superstars in the NBA where they're constantly in the mix for championships (because they have people who can coach, and their talent isn't being squandered by Cal). Carter Knox just re-committed to play for Cal. And everything he said was related to how Cal promised to make him a Pro. The one and dones he gets will play their year struggling to win their first NCAA Madness game, just like what has happened at UK the last five years, because this type of success isn't successful any more. NIL has created a completely new ballgame and Cal's way of success is going to relegate him to the likes of Tubby Smith.

And I'll add one more prediction. The name of biggest badass most currently admired basketball school that's going to have a hard time VERY soon maintaining relevancy, because of the very fact it's not in a decent football conference (and won't be because it's football team sucks) : UConn. Maybe he'll get his three-peat. But it's an anomaly. It won't last, just like UCLA wouldn't have ever had a chance to win another championship it if hadn't been recruited into the B1G.

When the two super football conferences decide to part ways with the NCAA, and perhaps the other two power four follow, then March Madness games, for the schools still tied into the NCAA, will be the new NIT tournament.

Like it or not (and hope I'm wrong), but that's where I see things are heading.

Agree with most everything you have offered except the comparison to Tubby. Tubby was awful for our program. He had no interest in building a relationship with the school or the city. He was lazy as a recruiter & seemed to be here simply to collect a check & coast. That said, he could coach rings around Cal in games. He was a good floor coach & had a history of effective coaching at Tulsa, UGA & UK. Not sure when the became such an arrogant jerk, but he was certainly that at Memphis.

(04-23-2024 07:20 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(04-23-2024 06:53 AM)G-Man Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 12:09 PM)micman Wrote:  

(04-22-2024 10:57 AM)Claw Wrote:  Well, ole Cal is getting some help bringing his KY recruits with him to Arkansas.

Quote:“Jerry Jones is reportedly offering DOUBLE whatever the Kentucky commits were making to come to Arkansas

Report: Jerry Jones makes lucrative offer to Kentucky commits to come to Arkansas

Actually in this day and age, I think that the traditional P4 basketball schools that are weak in football (Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, Indiana) may soon face a reckoning. The cost of basketball (including NIL) is insignificant compared to the cost of football. We've already seen where now, Auburn and Ole Miss are willing to spend as much as us on basketball. We may be to a point where they're willing to spend as much as Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke. Add in the assumption that basketball coaches at football schools typically don't feel as much pressure as at basketball schools. It may soon be very hard for basketball schools to compete with football schools.

There's no such thing as a basketball school anymore when it comes to the B1G and the SEC. You should research (my apologies if you already have, because I'm not saying this to come across like an arrogant jerk) how much NIL is being spent by each of the three universities you mentioned EXCEPT Duke, which doesn't get nearly as much money from football revenues as the other three. And it's why Clemson and Florida State want out of the ACC.

And ACC basketball schools are going to be in decline very soon if their football teams can't get the kind of money to compete with the B1G and the SEC money they're getting.

I predict (feel free to mark the post-- and I actually hope I'm wrong) that no ACC team is going to win another Basketball championship for the next 10 years.

On the other hand, IU is doing the best job so far at spending NIL to get a good basketball team again. They may actually become relevant again.

And UK will surprise next year. Before all is said and done, they'll have a basketball team bought and paid for that will definitely make it past the first round of March Madness this next year. And it'll be due to donors that were offended by CAL who are already ponying up millions in NIL, since he's now gone, that they were already donating to the football program.

The TV deals that the SEC and B1G make them both super-leagues for getting more NIL money (like IU is getting now in basketball) based on their football league revenue deals.

The rich are getting richer, and the poor (unfortunately) are going to be getting poorer. And what defines the rich is being in the right football conference.

The only reason Cal might even have a chance to win at Arkansas, is because it's a football school, in the SEC, and the NIL flows to all programs. (And it doesn't hurt that Jerry Jones, the Tyson Chicken guy, and the Waltons are contributors).

But the only reason I don't see Arkansas winning any basketball championships is simply because of Calipari's lack of on court coaching (like blowing a nine point lead in the last two minutes of a National Championship game), will probably still never allow him to get a second championship. There's never been a guy who can get more talent and squander it as a coach, then have that talent end up being superstars in the NBA where they're constantly in the mix for championships (because they have people who can coach, and their talent isn't being squandered by Cal). Carter Knox just re-committed to play for Cal. And everything he said was related to how Cal promised to make him a Pro. The one and dones he gets will play their year struggling to win their first NCAA Madness game, just like what has happened at UK the last five years, because this type of success isn't successful any more. NIL has created a completely new ballgame and Cal's way of success is going to relegate him to the likes of Tubby Smith.

And I'll add one more prediction. The name of biggest badass most currently admired basketball school that's going to have a hard time VERY soon maintaining relevancy, because of the very fact it's not in a decent football conference (and won't be because it's football team sucks) : UConn. Maybe he'll get his three-peat. But it's an anomaly. It won't last, just like UCLA wouldn't have ever had a chance to win another championship it if hadn't been recruited into the B1G.

When the two super football conferences decide to part ways with the NCAA, and perhaps the other two power four follow, then March Madness games, for the schools still tied into the NCAA, will be the new NIT tournament.

Like it or not (and hope I'm wrong), but that's where I see things are heading.

Agree with most everything you have offered except the comparison to Tubby. Tubby was awful for our program. He had no interest in building a relationship with the school or the city. He was lazy as a recruiter & seemed to be here simply to collect a check & coast. That said, he could coach rings around Cal in games. He was a good floor coach & had a history of effective coaching at Tulsa, UGA & UK. Not sure when the became such an arrogant jerk, but he was certainly that at Memphis.

I see your point about Tubby. But my own point wasn't about how he coached (he actually was a decent floor coach, but hated recruiting-- just the opposite of Cal). But my point is that both coaches decided they wanted to coast toward the finish line, and manipulated things so they got a great gig (with a bunch of money) during their swan song period of coaching. Cal will be sitting behind a microphone sometime in the next five years. He's still Cal and will love being another Jay Wright (but the sleazy version). Tubby didn't care for the limelight.
Cal thrives on it. He's an egomaniac. But his coaching days are numbered when it comes to the platform that'll continue to provide that limelight.

The reason both coaches felt heat at Kentucky and decided to pursue a job at a lesser tier program, is because both were stubborn and unwilling to change. UK fans were seen as pariahs for "running off Tubby". But the fact was he became "ten loss Tubby" during his last few years, and was recruiting 2 and 3 star players, because he stubbornly refused to be willing to "lower" himself to sucking up to teenagers.

That's not Cal's issue and never will be. He'll lower himself to suck up to whoever can make him keep looking great. But he knows he's not going to look great calling the hogs.

I give him three years max at Arkansas.

Then I'll give him another five or more as a national TV commentator.

But as far as Tubby goes, he never wanted the limelight once he saw the demands it placed on him.

That's why UK fans were warning Memphis why it was a bad hire. But because Tiger fans hated UK fans, they didn't believe them.

It actually reminds me of when UK football "hired away" Alabama's football coach (a guy named Bill Curry) decades ago, who Alabama fans couldn't stand and were glad when he left. They were thrilled UK was somehow able to lure him away. But UK was happy (and convinced they'd pulled a coup) since they had a great coach who they somehow convinced to leave mighty Alabama. Except he wasn't a great coach. The Alabama football fans (UK fans just thought they were arrogant and like Memphis sees UK Basketball fans-- smug, jerks and pompous asses about how great their tradition was and how UK was going to regret hiring their ex-coach), were laughing at the UK fans who thought they'd gotten a great coach. There were valid reasons he was so disliked at Alabama. JUST like there were valid reasons UK fans were glad to see Tubby leave, that Memphis unfortunately had to endure and experience, before finding out the UK fans were right (even though it's hard to stomach that arrogant UK fans were right about how Memphis shouldn't even be thinking about hiring Tubby, even though the truth was that they were).

And Cal was making a fool of himself with the stubbornness he was showing by alienating big donors, and blaming the first round losses recently on having such a young team. And saying how the SEC tournament wasn't important to UK fans who loved going to it, and some who planned their vacations around it. He became completely out of touch with people he needed to be in touch with.

Just like Tubby, but for completely different reasons.