(04-08-2024 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:30 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There is no better symbolic messenger for the hollowed out, politics-1st evangelical church than a thrice married, bible hawking agnostic with a fake spray tan.

Oh ye of little faith. Most of the people God has used through the years were less than perfect. God called David, an adulter, a man after his own heart. Paul, whose name was Saul, persecuted Christians, before his conversion to Christianity.

In no way am I implying that Trump is being used by God. I know some who believe that though. I only mentioned the imperfect servants of Our Lord to illustrate how God has used broken people.

I believe that's were many in the secular world fail to understand what it means to be a Christian. It doesn't mean you're perfect, it means you're forgiven.

Well, since no one is perfect except God/Jesus himself, they all will of course be less than perfect.

Also, IF God IS using trump, it's to see if Christians can spot a fake. IF so, they failed and keep failing.

(04-08-2024 11:44 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:30 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There is no better symbolic messenger for the hollowed out, politics-1st evangelical church than a thrice married, bible hawking agnostic with a fake spray tan.

Oh ye of little faith. Most of the people God has used through the years were less than perfect. God called David, an adulter, a man after his own heart. Paul, whose name was Saul, persecuted Christians, before his conversion to Christianity.

In no way am I implying that Trump is being used by God. I know some who believe that though. I only mentioned the imperfect servants of Our Lord to illustrate how God has used broken people.

I believe that's were many in the secular world fail to understand what it means to be a Christian. It doesn't mean you're perfect, it means you're forgiven.

Well, since no one is perfect except God/Jesus himself, they all will of course be less than perfect.

Also, IF God IS using trump, it's to see if Christians can spot a fake. IF so, they failed and keep failing.

I'll be voting for Trump, but that meme is blasphemous!

(04-08-2024 08:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Attendance at church services has been falling since last century ... but Trump ...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/chur...-time.aspx

This is clearly laid out and explained in the article. Which as the OP labeled, is an opinion.

The OP brought forth a self-negating article. Not sure which is more worthy of derision: the OP or the author.

(04-08-2024 11:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I'll be voting for Trump, but that meme is blasphemous!

cf. Proverbs 21:1

(04-08-2024 11:53 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 11:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  I'll be voting for Trump, but that meme is blasphemous!

cf. Proverbs 21:1

That calls for a massive assumption that the Lord's hands are upon the President's heart. For it to be possible the King must be submissive to God. The Oath taken by the King of Israel (suggest you look at Sigmund Mowinckel's The Psalms in Israel's Worship/which looks at Triennial Festival Cycle) would suggest that even most Kings of early Israel violated that one.

The image is still blasphemous, God does not need any of us to accomplish God's purposes. We can help if our hearts and minds are conformed to God's instruction, but we aren't essential to the task. Faithfulness however brings a blessing which can spread.

(04-08-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And to the OP: Hooey! Trump's impact upon the Church is NADA!

I doubt this 100%. He has had an impact on our families...and most of society. He's one of the most, if not THEE most, divisive political figures in my lifetime.

There's no way the church has been immune to this. I know of at least a couple people who left my church due to the politics of trump and its impact on our congregation and pastors.

(04-08-2024 11:50 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Attendance at church services has been falling since last century ... but Trump ...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/chur...-time.aspx

This is clearly laid out and explained in the article. Which as the OP labeled, is an opinion.

The OP brought forth a self-negating article. Not sure which is more worthy of derision: the OP or the author.

Not really...if you actually read it. And not just read the title of it.

(04-08-2024 08:39 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:31 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  Every scrap of demographic data/research that we have tells us that church attendance as a % of population — nationwide — peaked around 1955-75 and has been in steady decline ever since. Of course, there are exceptions or partial-exceptions based on individual churches, locations, income/education levels, etc. But overall, the evidence is somewhere between obvious and undeniable. For someone to pop up in 2024 and try to blame this multi-generational trend on Donald Trump is just beyond stupid, beyond dishonest.

I don't see the article really doing this. It's more saying that trump is doing nothing to reverse the trend, or to sway younger folks to look toward the church. Meanwhile, he seems to want to be a champion for Christians...and he does pontificate from time to time about the need for more religion.

What's your excuse for crucifying Christ daily?

(04-08-2024 12:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And to the OP: Hooey! Trump's impact upon the Church is NADA!

I doubt this 100%. He has had an impact on our families...and most of society. He's one of the most, if not THEE most, divisive political figures in my lifetime.

There's no way the church has been immune to this. I know of at least a couple people who left my church due to the politics of trump and its impact on our congregation and pastors.

What policy did Trump enact that would drive people from or to church?

(04-08-2024 12:39 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 12:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And to the OP: Hooey! Trump's impact upon the Church is NADA!

I doubt this 100%. He has had an impact on our families...and most of society. He's one of the most, if not THEE most, divisive political figures in my lifetime.

There's no way the church has been immune to this. I know of at least a couple people who left my church due to the politics of trump and its impact on our congregation and pastors.

What policy did Trump enact that would drive people from or to church?

Who said anything about a policy?

(04-08-2024 11:48 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 11:44 AM)shere khan Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:30 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There is no better symbolic messenger for the hollowed out, politics-1st evangelical church than a thrice married, bible hawking agnostic with a fake spray tan.

Oh ye of little faith. Most of the people God has used through the years were less than perfect. God called David, an adulter, a man after his own heart. Paul, whose name was Saul, persecuted Christians, before his conversion to Christianity.

In no way am I implying that Trump is being used by God. I know some who believe that though. I only mentioned the imperfect servants of Our Lord to illustrate how God has used broken people.

I believe that's were many in the secular world fail to understand what it means to be a Christian. It doesn't mean you're perfect, it means you're forgiven.

Well, since no one is perfect except God/Jesus himself, they all will of course be less than perfect.

Also, IF God IS using trump, it's to see if Christians can spot a fake. IF so, they failed and keep failing.

I'll be voting for Trump, but that meme is blasphemous!

I didnt think so, a little extreme ..

I will defer to your wisdom

(04-08-2024 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 11:50 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:36 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:20 AM)The Sicatoka Wrote:  Attendance at church services has been falling since last century ... but Trump ...

https://news.gallup.com/poll/341963/chur...-time.aspx

This is clearly laid out and explained in the article. Which as the OP labeled, is an opinion.

The OP brought forth a self-negating article. Not sure which is more worthy of derision: the OP or the author.

Not really...if you actually read it. And not just read the title of it.

I was stating a simple fact.

(04-08-2024 07:16 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This is what you decide to start your week of Trump screeds with? You need a hobby.

Sounds like it was written by an idiot and atheist. There are no serious Christians who consider DJT a serious Christian.

(04-08-2024 12:44 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 12:39 PM)bearcat65 Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 12:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And to the OP: Hooey! Trump's impact upon the Church is NADA!

I doubt this 100%. He has had an impact on our families...and most of society. He's one of the most, if not THEE most, divisive political figures in my lifetime.

There's no way the church has been immune to this. I know of at least a couple people who left my church due to the politics of trump and its impact on our congregation and pastors.

What policy did Trump enact that would drive people from or to church?

Who said anything about a policy?

What did he do as president that would drive people from or to church?

(04-08-2024 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:30 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There is no better symbolic messenger for the hollowed out, politics-1st evangelical church than a thrice married, bible hawking agnostic with a fake spray tan.

Oh ye of little faith. Most of the people God has used through the years were less than perfect. God called David, an adulter, a man after his own heart. Paul, whose name was Saul, persecuted Christians, before his conversion to Christianity.

In no way am I implying that Trump is being used by God. I know some who believe that though. I only mentioned the imperfect servants of Our Lord to illustrate how God has used broken people.

I believe that's were many in the secular world fail to understand what it means to be a Christian. It doesn't mean you're perfect, it means you're forgiven.

Well, since no one is perfect except God/Jesus himself, they all will of course be less than perfect.

Also, IF God IS using trump, it's to see if Christians can spot a fake. IF so, they failed and keep failing.

Sounds like you don't understand it at all either. King Cyrus was used by God.
You haven't even watched "Angels and Demons!" See quote from Camerlango at the end about Robert Langdon.

(04-08-2024 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 07:16 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This is what you decide to start your week of Trump screeds with? You need a hobby.

There are no serious Christians who consider DJT a serious Christian.

Dude, you need to crawl out from under your rock!

(04-08-2024 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There is no better symbolic messenger for the hollowed out, politics-1st evangelical church than a thrice married, bible hawking agnostic with a fake seed spray tan.

Never actually read the book have you?

You wear your ignorance on your sleeve.

(04-08-2024 11:14 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 11:10 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:30 AM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 10:00 AM)Marc Mensa Wrote:  There is no better symbolic messenger for the hollowed out, politics-1st evangelical church than a thrice married, bible hawking agnostic with a fake spray tan.

Oh ye of little faith. Most of the people God has used through the years were less than perfect. God called David, an adulter, a man after his own heart. Paul, whose name was Saul, persecuted Christians, before his conversion to Christianity.

In no way am I implying that Trump is being used by God. I know some who believe that though. I only mentioned the imperfect servants of Our Lord to illustrate how God has used broken people.

I believe that's were many in the secular world fail to understand what it means to be a Christian. It doesn't mean you're perfect, it means you're forgiven.

Well, since no one is perfect except God/Jesus himself, they all will of course be less than perfect.

Also, IF God IS using trump, it's to see if Christians can spot a fake. IF so, they failed and keep failing.

Wait, so you are saying our choices are between a "Fake Christian" and a "Brain Dead Mafioso who is hell bent on enriching himself by selling us out to the Chinese". I'll take the Fake Christian all day every day and twice on Sunday! There are oodles of Fake Christians, and none of them are worse than the Jerkarse in the White House!

What he is saying is that his godless liberal ass knows what God’s plans are. How perceptive of him.

(04-08-2024 12:32 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 08:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  And to the OP: Hooey! Trump's impact upon the Church is NADA!

I doubt this 100%. He has had an impact on our families...and most of society. He's one of the most, if not THEE most, divisive political figures in my lifetime.

There's no way the church has been immune to this. I know of at least a couple people who left my church due to the politics of trump and its impact on our congregation and pastors.

You’re full of chit.

(04-08-2024 01:21 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(04-08-2024 07:16 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This is what you decide to start your week of Trump screeds with? You need a hobby.

Sounds like it was written by an idiot and atheist. There are no serious Christians who consider DJT a serious Christian.

This

I've never met a single Trump supporter who thought he was a serious born again Christian.