Quote:AS FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I DONATE TO THE UNIVERSITY. I CAN TELL YOU THAT IT IS ME AND NOT MY FATHER WHO GIVES IT. HE COULD GIVE 100 TIMES WHAT I GIVE BUT AS HE PUTS IT. WHY WOULD I GIVE MONEY TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THEY ARE DOING.

Interesting, Bill. Tell me something. If you give so much how come you are no where to be found in the Annual Donor Report that is in the U of M Alumni Magazine? Your father Bill Sr. (I will leave your last name out) is in there but you, Bill Jr., are not. Explain yourself please.

Quote:I HAVE 10 TICKETS FOR FOOTBALL AND BASKETBALL IN MY NAME AND NO IT IS NO ITS NOT UNDER BILL.

According to the university ledger, you do not have the donor level you claim to be able to purchase the tickets in the area you say you purchase them. I have no doubt you have season tickets but you have good tickets due to another booster...and that my friend is a fact.

Quote:AS FOR THE EDGAR THOMAS SCHOLARSHIP FUND WE MEET WITH BOB WINN LAST YEAR TO FUND IT WITH 100% OF THE INCOME FROM TIGER NATION SALES WITH $1000 UP FRONT AND HE HAS STILL NOT CALLED US BACK. WHY DON'T YOU ASK HIM.

Bob and I have talked and when I mentioned this to him he had no clue about it. What's really funny is that you seem to have zero knowledge that the Edgar Thomas Scholarship Fund goes through the Highland Hundred, which you are not a member of by your own election.

Quote:AS FOR THE GLORY KNOW ONE HERE EVEN KNOWS MY NAME.

I know your name, Bill. I know you very well. And it doesn't take a real name to reap the glory of what you do. Just people worshipping your screenname is all the ego boost you need. You got the big ego boost back in your college days just like you get it now.

Quote:AND I WILL PRESS ANYONE WHO I SEE NOT WORKING HARD TO BETTER THE UNIVERSITY.

I never questioned whether you were a fan or not but the university is not your #1 interest when you make the decisions you make.

Quote:ITS SAD WHEN YOU ARE SOMEONE WHO DOES NOTHING AND YOU MAKE THESE ATTACKS ON ON SOMEONE TRYING TO PUSH THIS UNIVERSITY KICKING AND SCREAMING TO THE NEXT LEVEL.

You have no idea what I do for the university and that is all I'm going to say about that.

Quote:WHAT I DO I DO FOR THE UNIVERSITY KNOW ONE ELSE

Sure, Bill, sure.

TigerTwice Wrote:

tigerjeb Wrote:the Edgar fund is a part of the HH. That's why Bob Winn wouldn't know much of anything about it. Of course, if you were an HH member,you would know that

Wouldn't you agree that the least Boob could have done was call him back and tell him that? Maybe then he could've gotten in touch with the right person to forward the money to.

you are assuming he ever did contact bob winn on that issue.

Sometimes I wonder what I'm gonna do..

Cause there ain't no cure for the summertime blues...

Quote:Interesting, Bill.  Tell me something.  If you give so much how come you are no where to be found in the Annual Donor Report that is in the U of M Alumni Magazine?  Your father Bill Sr. (I will leave your last name out) is in there but you, Bill Jr., are not.  Explain yourself please.

According to the university ledger, you do not have the donor level you claim to be able to purchase the tickets in the area you say you purchase them.  I have no doubt you have season tickets but you have good tickets due to another booster...and that my friend is a fact.

Well, one simple explanation for that could be the athletic department's wonderful priority system. You see, many people combine donations to get better seats. The university does not make exceptions for people that might only want 2 seats. If you want to sit in a good section, you have to donate X dollars whether you want one ticket or eight. So, it naturally encourages/fosters pooled donations. However, the university will only recognize one named donor & that donor gets all the credit. There are scores of other Tiger fans out there donating money to the university and our brilliant administration doesn't even know their names. It might be nice to know who they are, give them the credit they deserve, and possibly grow them into larger donors. Additionally, let's say you know someone (father, brother, uncle, friend) who donated for many years & has a lot of priority points, but has soured on the university & was going to stop donating. You can offer to continue donating in their name so you can reap the benefit of their priority points. Another flaw in the design of the Tiger Scholarship Fund system. They're limiting their own membership with it.

I'm not taking up for BOSSMAN (I don't know him), I'm only pointing out that you seem to have a lot of faith in how the athletic department operates & what they know. Most who have dealt with them think otherwise.

BTW, tell your high up connection in the athletic department that it was a real stroke of marketing genius to offer a bobblehead doll for a 10% increase in their donation. My in-laws were thrilled to know that by simply increasing their donation by $1,000 they would receive one of those prized bobbleheads. Maybe someone over on Normal should THINK before they send out a mass distribution letter to ever donor. Hmmm, a $100 donor can get a bobblehead by increasing their donation to $110. A $10K donor can get one by increasing their donation to $11K. Maybe they should just send the damn $5 bobblehead to every donor over $1K as a token of their appreciation & spare them the insulting letter.

tigerjeb Wrote:you are assuming he ever did contact bob winn on that issue.

Let's just say that from my experiences & the stories I've heard regarding our athletic adminstration, I will always err on the side of believing the other party.

Aren't you the one who has DO NOT MAIL stamped on your folder at the offices on Normal?!?

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yes i am. you can believe things i post on here.

tigerjeb Wrote:yes i am. you can believe things i post on here.

I have no reason not to. Again, I'm not defending BOSSMAN. I'm simply countering that his opponent in this pissing contest is basing his case on information from the Athletic Department, which is rather scary to say the least. :eek:

TigerTwice Wrote:BTW, tell your high up connection in the athletic department that it was a real stroke of marketing genius to offer a bobblehead doll for a 10% increase in their donation. My in-laws were thrilled to know that by simply increasing their donation by $1,000 they would receive one of those prized bobbleheads. Maybe someone over on Normal should THINK before they send out a mass distribution letter to ever donor. Hmmm, a $100 donor can get a bobblehead by increasing their donation to $110. A $10K donor can get one by increasing their donation to $11K. Maybe they should just send the damn $5 bobblehead to every donor over $1K as a token of their appreciation & spare them the insulting letter.

Why would that letter be insulting? Your in-laws already get the benefits of donating more than the $100 donor. Why they be insulted by an effort to raise more money for the University. Should your bobblehead be gold plated if you give $10,000?

has it ever occured to you that all you have heard is bossman's side of things?

is it possible that all these plans and deals he's come up with have not come to pass for perfectly good reasons? can you not concede that the university has to protect its positions and is a state run entity that has procedure, policys and rules it has to follow that just may not jibe with what bossman dreams up?

do you honestly think that u of m AND usm would be a part of a "copywrighted black and blue bowl" that they did not own the "copywright" to? you cant just walk up to universities and wave your hands and stomp your feet and have all the little magical things you dream up come true. but you can come on a message board, spin your story, puff up your chest, and get folks all charged up for something that hasnt got a chance in hell of happening, because you are not working through the university, you are working for yourself.

YEA!!!!!!!!!!

Go back and read those posts. I never beleived a word of his crap, but when everybody started praises him, I backed off.

What ever happened to the Pouncer stuffed animals? The scholarship money? Etc. etc. etc.

Just remember, I'm not always wrong!

tigerjeb Wrote:has it ever occured to you that all you have heard is bossman's side of things?

is it possible that all these plans and deals he's come up with have not come to pass for perfectly good reasons? can you not concede that the university has to protect its positions and is a state run entity that has procedure, policys and rules it has to follow that just may not jibe with what bossman dreams up?

do you honestly think that u of m AND usm would be a part of a "copywrighted black and blue bowl" that they did not own the "copywright" to? you cant just walk up to universities and wave your hands and stomp your feet and have all the little magical things you dream up come true. but you can come on a message board, spin your story, puff up your chest, and get folks all charged up for something that hasnt got a chance in hell of happening, because you are not working through the university, you are working for yourself.

Again, you misunderstand my position. I don't have a beef with the university not just signing off on some trophy idea. I didn't even address that part of the post.

I'm talking about someone coming on here and saying: "Your name isn't on the ledger so you don't donate" and citing our wonderful athletic adminstration as the infallible truth on that matter. The truth is that there are hundreds of people out there that donate in the thousands EACH YEAR and our administration doesn't even KNOW THEY EXIST, and it's all the result of their terribly flawed system for establishing donor levels & accumulating priority points.

I know of several people who donate thousands of dollars annually. They pool their contribution because it's the only way to get good seats in this twisted system. It doesn't matter if you want 2 tickets or 10, both have to donate the same amount. Why donate $10K by yourself to get 2 tickets when you could find 4 other people & split it and pay $2K each? You know this. Also, if someone donated for years, but decided to stop (or heaven forbid they died), their years of donating, accumulating points, etc. are GONE. What if you were part of a group of 5 people that pooled $2K each for 10 years, then one day the guy whose name it's in moves to Malaysia? What do you do? You keep donating in his name to retain your priority. This goes on all the time.

Now, I'm not saying this is BOSSMAN's situation, I'm just pointing out the perils of claiming that because you're not on the university "ledgers" that you don't donate money.

I agree 100% on the copyright stuff. I'm aware of & remember all the ideas that have come & gone (the Tiger statue thingy, etc.). I understand where BOSSMAN might have credibility issues based on that. I'm just playing the part of BOSSMAN's mt.org attorney and attacking the witness's credibility in this case. When the Tiger Clubs ledgers are your source, then your credibility is shaky at best. :laugh:

if you dont have at least a $50 tiger scholorship fund account in your name, you shouldnt walk around claiming to be a big shot with the ear of the athletic administration.

as important as total money paid into the scholorship fund, is the number of accounts. thats one of the ways our university is judged as being "worthy" of better things.

On the copyright thing, something gives....

<a href='http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-46%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=%22black+and+blue+bowl%22+football' target='_blank'><<Here's a GOOGLE on "Black and Blue Bowl" football>></a>

and there are plenty of B&B bowls around.

If its not unique can it even be copyrighted?

<span style='color:blue'>CMT MY OLD FRIEND WHERE OH WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN.

NEXT TIME I COME TO THE DRIVE THRU IN NEED MORE NAPKINS

OK GREAT TIGER HE WE GO -

1. I AM NOT A JR. - THEY BROKE THE MOLD WITH ME

2. YOUR GOING BY THE U OF M MAGIZINE - PLEASE - HEY I AM RIGHT THERE

3. I HAVE TEN FOOTABLL AND BASKETBALL TICKETS I SIT IN SECTION 9 BOX SEATS FOR FOOTBALL- I DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE TO SAY ABOUT THAT - COME BY NEXT YEAR.

4. I WANTED THE MONEY FROM ALL TIGER NATION SELLS TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE EDGAR FUND. ASK BOB IF WE TO MEET WITH HIM ABOUT THAT. IF HE SAYS NO THEN HE IS LYING. CHAMPION AND MIKE BOWAN DONATED A DOLLAR FOR EVERY SHIRT THEY SOLD TO THERE EDGAR SCHOLARSHIP FUND - YOU SHOULD NO THIS STUFF

5. HIGHLAND HUNDRED I AM A MEMBER

6. YOU KNOW BILL SO DO I - I AM NOT HIM - HE IS WAY OUT OF OUR LEAGUE - YOUR RIGHT MOST OF THESE IDEAS START WITH HIM AND I SOUND THEM OFF PEOPLE HERE. AS FOR THE GLORY MAN YOU A WARPED IN THE HEAD.

7. I THINK I NO WHAT THIS IS ABOUT NOW. WITH MY RECENT PURCHASE WE ARE GOING TO BE IN THE SAME BUSINESS. I HOPE YOU GET ON TOP OF YOUR GAME BECAUSE I AM GOING TO BURY YOU AND YOUR LITTLE FRIEND.

WHY ELSE WOULD YOU SPEND MY TIME ON THIS. BASH ME I AM A REAL BIG BOY.

AND JEB I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW - I WILL SIGN ALL RIGTHS TO THE TROPHY AND THE NAME TO THEM THE SECOND THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT. NO MONEY NO QUESTIONS!

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tigerjoe Wrote:On the copyright thing, something gives....

<a href='http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD%2CGGLD%3A2004-46%2CGGLD%3Aen&q=%22black+and+blue+bowl%22+football' target='_blank'><<Here's a GOOGLE on "Black and Blue Bowl" football>></a>

and there are plenty of B&B bowls around.

If its not unique can it even be copyrighted?

ask him

Quote:LOOK ALL THIS STUFF IS MY HOBBY. T-SHIRTS ECT. COST ME ABOUT $10,000 A YEAR AND I GIVE THEM AWAY BECUASE THE STUFF THAT THE UNIVERSITY PUTS OUT JUST SUCK! I HAVE BUDGETED $20,000 FOR 2005-06 BECAUSE OF THE BLACK AND BLUE BOWL. copywright

Quote:AND JEB I WILL TELL YOU RIGHT NOW - I WILL SIGN ALL RIGTHS TO THE TROPHY AND THE NAME TO THEM THE SECOND THEY WANT TO BE A PART OF IT. NO MONEY NO QUESTIONS!

so you havent even spoken with anyone at either school. you've just been running all over the internet with this idea and leading people on by saying "this is going to happen"

i dont have an HH record of you. perhaps my records are incomplete. correct me if im wrong please. we are setting up the new database and i would like to get everyone in correctly.

TigerTwice Wrote:Well, one simple explanation for that could be the athletic department's wonderful priority system. You see, many people combine donations to get better seats. The university does not make exceptions for people that might only want 2 seats. If you want to sit in a good section, you have to donate X dollars whether you want one ticket or eight. So, it naturally encourages/fosters pooled donations. However, the university will only recognize one named donor & that donor gets all the credit. There are scores of other Tiger fans out there donating money to the university and our brilliant administration doesn't even know their names.

I am one of those folks. me and 3 other guys went in for tickets under one donation. One guy gets his name listed but 4 paid. it really is a dumb setup.

I'll add TT is right about another thing. I have to rely on the name listed on teh donation for all my info. If there was a fund raiser or an event the only way I would know about it was if the guy called and told me. that leaves a lot of folks out of the loop.

<span style='color:blue'>JEB IS THE TROPHY AND THE GAME A GOOD IDEA OR NOT?

SHOULD WE NOT DO IT?

SOULDN'T THE HIGHLAND HUNDRED AND THE UNIVERSITY DO THIS OH LETS SAY 20 YEARS AGO

LOOK I HAVE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SPENT ALOT OF HOURS ON THIS FOR ME. WE HAVE TO HAVE A DRAWING BEFORE YOU CAN SELL IT TO THE UNIVERSITIES NOT JUST THE IDEA RIGHT. WHAT WILL I GET OUT OF THIS - NOTING - IT WILL COST ME ABOUT $1500 AND I WILL GIVE IT TO COACH WEST AND IT WILL BE UP TO THE UNIVERSITIES FROM THERE.

IS THIS A PROPBLEM FOR YOU?

IS THE 100 THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO COULD DO THIS?</span>

So Champion is making the money off all of this, now I get it. I had a couple of run-ins with Mr. Bowan in the 80's. He stole my design and tried to sell shirts I had the rights to and permission to sell. He had to be threatened by security and a very nice local TV manager with the police to shut it down.

If I remember right, all the proceeds were to be donated to a scholarship fund. Donating a dollar on a shirt that cost them $2, and pocketing the rest is not very charitable in my book. Since they don't have permission from the University to sell them and the only reason they are marketable is because you are using the "likeness" of the university.

Anything for a buck, is what it sounds like to me.