Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:

GDawgs88 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:damn, i just finished a ten hour shift at work, but i'll help you out.

Payton- DWI (don't try to tell me this is nothing, because people on this board have no problem skewering JJ for it.)

Walker- An unsolved rape with overwhelming evidence went on in his apartment. (obviously innocent till proven guilty, but he's a bad guy)

Pippen- assault and battery of a woman

Shaq- accused of assault

I can't remember the other guys, but i don't have the patience to search right now. But i can tell you that 40% of the players in the 2001-2002 season had a formal criminal complaint for a serious crime filed against them.

BTW, who are the other guys you needed info on? i might be able to help off the top of my head.

Thanks for the info.

But I'm curious, do you believe the Duke lacrosse players should go to jail just because they're accused of rape?

no, and i said i was wrong to add shaq to the list. but the duke players do have a long listyou have to understand that these guys are usually not 1st time offenders. also, a lot of these accusations have overwhelming evidence but never go to court because the women are always intimidated. i could post the evidence but it'd take me way too long.

for instance look what happened in kobe's case. the woman's whole sexual history was brought into court. it's hard to go along with the case when your whole life is put into question.

BTW, on your other post, I don't think that athletes should be held on a pedestal and I do believe that they should be prosecuted and punished the same that you or I are. Now, I know that this is not the case in the real world, but we as a society have to demand it for it to begin to happen.

yeah, we do have to demand it, but until then we have to argue about it the way it is in reality, not how we'd like it to be.

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

That statement is flawed for multiple reasons, the first of which being the JJ Redick is not in the NBA yet, and is certainly not an NBA star, so why is this action proof that all NBA stars belong in jail? Otherwise, let's look at some of the stars in the NBA today, Dwayne Wade, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, LeBron James, Tim Duncan, Chanuncey Billups, and more that I find difficulty in finding reasons and evidence that they should be in prison, and I think it is unfair to generalize this entire population of people based on the actions of a few people.

Furthermore, I question why you are targeting NBA stars in the first place? I wouldn't consider Damon Stoudamire or Chris Anderson stars, yet they certainly have had run-ins with the law. Your theory also suggests that other occupations, athletically related or not, are somehow different and have less problems than the NBA. Just looking at the news recently, the MLB, NFL, and college basketball have all had their legal problems. I fail to see why NBA stars alone should be subject to what in my opinion is unfair criticism on the basis of a false generalization.

I will add this as well, I think that this unfair generalization applies to Duke as well. I think it is unfair to look down upon every Duke athlete because of the recent actions of the lacrosse team and now JJ Redick (This coming from a current UNC student.) You can criticize the way the Duke administration has responded to these problems, but don't unfairly judge every Duke athlete, because the majority of them are good kids.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

I hope you did not take my previous statement personally, for I do in fact realize that I am writing on an internet discussion forum. But that does not change the fact that there are people that share your view, whether you were exaggerating or not. The intention of my reply was to urge those that do share that view to reconsider generalizing an entire population of people on the actions of a few.

And Swoosh, I think it is great that you can somewhat accurately name a few NBA players that have had legal issues in the past. I wish to know what your point is? If you would so desire, I could do research and list all of the NBA all-stars that have never had criminal complaints filed against them.

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:

cbfranchise3 Wrote:

GrayBeard Wrote:Just more proof for my theory that all NBA stars should be in prison.

Some of you people need to realize that internet message board is not real life. I have a theory that I think is funny and a drastic stretch of the real truth. Get over it.

And Swoosh, I think it is great that you can somewhat accurately name a few NBA players that have had legal issues in the past. I wish to know what your point is? If you would so desire, I could do research and list all of the NBA all-stars that have never had criminal complaints filed against them.

you could indeed come up with hundreds of players who have clean records, but i wasn't trying to prove that there are more criminals than good citizens in the NBA. What i was trying to point out is how many stars commit crimes and how the NBA is filled with crime. I'm not quite sure how you can't concede that the NBA and NFL seem to have more criminal activity than other sports. it's simple stats and common knowledge. too many players are 'thugged out.'

i once again urge everyone to read the books about criminals in the NBA and NFL, but i'm probably wasting my time, as most of you don't wish to see how severely misinformed you've been on this topic.

flyingswoosh Wrote:I'm not quite sure how you can't concede that the NBA and NFL seem to have more criminal activity than other sports. it's simple stats and common knowledge. too many players are 'thugged out.'

i once again urge everyone to read the books about criminals in the NBA and NFL, but i'm probably wasting my time, as most of you don't wish to see how severely misinformed you've been on this topic.

I don't think that you can conclusively prove that, either.

For example, ever look at baseball? Hockey? And go overseas and look at soccer. Shoot, when I was at Tulane, we had a tennis player take someone's life and get away with it. His brother happens to play on tour, BTW...

Again, I contend that athletes are no different from the rest of society in terms of crime rate.

Sophandros Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:I'm not quite sure how you can't concede that the NBA and NFL seem to have more criminal activity than other sports. it's simple stats and common knowledge. too many players are 'thugged out.'

i once again urge everyone to read the books about criminals in the NBA and NFL, but i'm probably wasting my time, as most of you don't wish to see how severely misinformed you've been on this topic.

I don't think that you can conclusively prove that, either.

For example, ever look at baseball? Hockey? And go overseas and look at soccer. Shoot, when I was at Tulane, we had a tennis player take someone's life and get away with it. His brother happens to play on tour, BTW...

Again, I contend that athletes are no different from the rest of society in terms of crime rate.

oh please, don't be so thick. how can you not believe there is more criminal activity in the NBA and NFL? MLB and NHL have far less reports of domestic violence and assault. i'm sorry, but your views on race have blinded you on an issue that shouldn't carry the race tag (even though it probably does).

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm sorry, but your views on race have blinded you on an issue that shouldn't carry the race tag (even though it probably does).

um where was race mentioned, or even hinted at in the above post?

flyingswoosh Wrote:i once again urge everyone to read the books about criminals in the NBA and NFL, but i'm probably wasting my time, as most of you don't wish to see how severely misinformed you've been on this topic.

sports are entertainment. I watch a game to see the sport. its like watching a movie-I dont care what they do in their real life. so frankly I dont care.

I havent read this thread but wtf did Gilbert Arenas ever do???

Laettners Legacy Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:i'm sorry, but your views on race have blinded you on an issue that shouldn't carry the race tag (even though it probably does).

um where was race mentioned, or even hinted at in the above post?

it wasn't, but whenever i talk with soph everything always comes back to race. and i know he's defending the NBA and NFL because of his views on race.

Terpy Wrote:I havent read this thread but wtf did Gilbert Arenas ever do???

disobeying police and resisting arrest.