can you really compare what happened at va tech to those other things? no disrespect but, it was either a city or state wide disaster, or an extremely important person.

flyingswoosh Wrote:can you really compare what happened at va tech to those other things? no disrespect but, it was either a city or state wide disaster, or an extremely important person.

i think the largest mass shooting in modern US history qualifies. in any case, its the presidents decision. i dont see what the big deal is.

flyingswoosh Wrote:can you really compare what happened at va tech to those other things? no disrespect but, it was either a city or state wide disaster, or an extremely important person.

These students came from across the entire nation. This was a city wide event.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:

flyingswoosh Wrote:can you really compare what happened at va tech to those other things? no disrespect but, it was either a city or state wide disaster, or an extremely important person.

i think the largest mass shooting in modern US history qualifies. in any case, its the presidents decision. i dont see what the big deal is.

you're right, it shouldn't be a big deal. I thought it was a bit overboard, but i don't know why i'm quibbling about something about this when 32 people died. it was just a thought that hit me when i drive past a few flags.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:exactly. these people saying "well, it should have been locked down" are off their rockers. thats like trying to lock down a city of 20 or 30,000. its simply not possible.

We shut down America in a matter of hours after 9/11. That campus should have been shut down after the first two deaths were discovered or the gunshots reported. This **** doesn't happen everyday.

RebelKev Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:exactly. these people saying "well, it should have been locked down" are off their rockers. thats like trying to lock down a city of 20 or 30,000. its simply not possible.

We shut down America in a matter of hours after 9/11. That campus should have been shut down after the first two deaths were discovered or the gunshots reported. This **** doesn't happen everyday.

where should they have told people to go?

stay in their classrooms? stay in their dorms and then have the gunman go crazy in one of those dorms? run outside into the open giving them a free shot at thousands? it would have been impossible to predict where (if) this guy was going to strike again.

i'm not saying it couldnt have been handled differently, but it's not as easy as people are making it out to be here...

and yes, murders DO happen every day. cities dont go on lockdown everytime a body is found. and thats esentially what college campuses are. in many cases, woven seamlessly into one. for example, what happens if this occurred on an urban campus. do you shut down an entire portion of Chicago or NY for just one body, with no indication that more was to come (which is the exact same position these cops were in)?

its easy to monday morning quarterback.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:where should they have told people to go?

stay in their classrooms? stay in their dorms and then have the gunman go crazy in one of those dorms? run outside into the open giving them a free shot at thousands? it would have been impossible to predict where (if) this guy was going to strike again.

i'm not saying it couldnt have been handled differently, but it's not as easy as people are making it out to be here...

and yes, murders DO happen every day. cities dont go on lockdown everytime a body is found. and thats esentially what college campuses are. in many cases, woven seamlessly into one. for example, what happens if this occurred on an urban campus. do you shut down an entire portion of Chicago or NY for just one body, with no indication that more was to come (which is the exact same position these cops were in)?

its easy to monday morning quarterback.

Home. If they lived in dorms, post cops there. The FIRST thing those lame brain "Campus Cops" should have done was contact the local authorities to tell them a MURDERER was ON THE LOOSE.

I can see their reaction if they FOUND the murderer, but they didn't. Don't tell me those kids didn't deserve better.

RebelKev Wrote:The FIRST thing those lame brain "Campus Cops" should have done was contact the local authorities to tell them a MURDERER was ON THE LOOSE.

so every time a murder happens on campus, it should be locked down. if so, for how long? what if they dont find the murderer within a day...a week...or ever? all im saying is, the police at the early stages, could not have predicted what happened. they had 0 reason to believe it was anything other than an isolated incident.

niuhuskie84 Wrote:so every time a murder happens on campus, it should be locked down. if so, for how long? what if they dont find the murderer within a day...a week...or ever? all im saying is, the police at the early stages, could not have predicted what happened. they had 0 reason to believe it was anything other than an isolated incident.

How many murders have happened on the NIU campus? How about the VT campus? You're GDAMN RIGHT it should have been locked down. This isn't equivalent to locking down a city after a murder occurs. A campus serves ONE purpose.

How about if a murder occurs right off campus? Shutdown or no?

RebelKev Wrote:

niuhuskie84 Wrote:so every time a murder happens on campus, it should be locked down. if so, for how long? what if they dont find the murderer within a day...a week...or ever? all im saying is, the police at the early stages, could not have predicted what happened. they had 0 reason to believe it was anything other than an isolated incident.

How many murders have happened on the NIU campus? How about the VT campus? You're GDAMN RIGHT it should have been locked down. This isn't equivalent to locking down a city after a murder occurs. A campus serves ONE purpose.

there was a murder here on saturday, although not technically on campus. i do see your point, and i totally agree that swifter and more thorough action should have been taken. but as i have been saying, on a moments notice it is not that easy. how do you alert everyone (student, faculty, etc)? even if they had decided the shut down the campus entirely, its unlikely everyone would have seen the emails. and its not like a high school, where all students enter and exit through a certain number of doors and you can easily contain them.

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RebelKev Wrote:Home. If they lived in dorms, post cops there. The FIRST thing those lame brain "Campus Cops" should have done was contact the local authorities to tell them a MURDERER was ON THE LOOSE.

I can see their reaction if they FOUND the murderer, but they didn't. Don't tell me those kids didn't deserve better.

they thought they did. they had someone in custody they believed was the murderer. it was early on in the investigation.