I agree bit. The thread has basically be relegated to a couple of people trashing the Cincinnati program (which is fine, we make our mark on the national scene and we're in a major conference) and people trying to convince us that a MWC/C-USA merged conference is better then the Big East.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:Truthfully, the original C-USA (with Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida and TCU) was MUCH stronger then that league. We did get a seat at the BCS table and were considered an unofficial BCS member (I don't know if C-USA still has that distinction), but we still didn't become a full BCS member. I doubt that league would have a chance.

Actually the best C-USA year was when Tulane should have made the BCS. Louisville came on strong towards the end of their C-USA run. Cincinnati was never much in football until they got in the Big East, similar to South Florida, who was a little more impressive.

BYU won a national title in football. Memphis was close to winning NCAA's this year. Utah has won a BCS game. UTEP has won the NCAA's and has the Sun Bowl. UNLV has won the NCAA's. SMU can afford to pay their coach a mil per year (shows a little dedication). TCU is always tough on the gridiron. Houston has strong tradition in hoops and football. You fill out the league with academic powerhouses like Rice and programs that have potential like New Mexico, Tulane, and Southern Miss, and the conference champ should be in a BCS bowl.

I am not comparing this to the old C-USA or the current Big East. Hence, the 7th BCS league.

During C-USA's original run, TCU, Southern Miss, Louisville and Tulane were all Top 25 teams. One great year by Tulane isn't going to get you a BCS bid, and neither is BYU's national title. The old C-USA was stronger then the conference you're proposing, both in football and in basketball.

Should I repeat by saying I wasn't comparing. Why are you so defensive? BYU is more than just a 20 year old football title. Just because you can't see past Over the Rhine doesn't mean they don't have a huge fanbase and solid athletics. You mentioned three schools I included in the league, so thanks for helping out the cause.

And should I inform you that you WERE comparing. As for the three schools mentioned in your thread, I didn't make your point. Your point was idiotic. I mentioned those schools because those schools AT THE TIME were Top 25 teams. Tulane and Southern Miss haven't been Top 25 teams for years. So how am I making your point? As for your response to me being"defensive", and Over the Rhine (whatever the hell that means), aren't you the same person you who went on a rant a few weeks ago because we were badmouthing the ACC!? I mean, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You have no point. You came on here to blab about Cinci. Who cares about them? You brought them up! No I am used to people badmouthing the ACC, really doesn't bother me, just ensures me that we're doin our thing.

I would say coming to a BE board to talk about Cincy, a BE member is probably to be expected....


UC has had years of bad football....UC has primarily been a basketball school over the decades; in fact our bball history/tradition is matched by few schools. BUT, UC football since 1993 has been far from "bad". I think we've been to something like 5 bowl games in the past 8 years or something to that effect. Are the bowl games "major"? No. But bowl games none the less. And we did most of that in CUSA, not the BE.

Not sure how a 7th BCS League thread ends up being Defending Your Life for UC fans...oh, I know, some uninformed UNC fan (UNC???? You guys haven't exactly been football giants over the years) made an inaccurate comment about our football program.


And concerning Firmbizzle's comments: This is the dude that said Utah and BYU should be added to the Big EAST???? Dude, it's nice that your mom sat in on some meetings 15 years ago.....this has NOTHING to do with UC today. In fact, it actually shows how far we've come...to go from a meeting to abolish UC football (which I have heard of) to being ranked in a BCS conference is nothing short of a miracle. UC fans everywhere should be proud of this fact.

No question B#1, great post. By the way, esayem is the same one that went on a temper tantrum a few months back because of a thread on here that hammered the ACC. Welcome to the BIG EAST board. There were far worse things being said about the Big East on all the other boards, so I don't feel sorry for the ACC one bit.

firmbizzle Wrote:

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:"I need to insert a little reality. I use to live in Cincy for 10 years, my mother sat in board of trustee meetings when they were considering abolishing the football program. I remember drubbings at the hands of Penn State 81-0. I remember UC being ranked the worst team in college football. Granted those teams (Boise, Fresno, Utah, and BYU) mentioned above greatest accomplishments was winning mid-major conferences, but they won conferences."

Firmbizzle, was you Mom on the Board of Ts? Can you offer any proof. My friend that was a long time ago. Keep ripping on UC football and our program will continue to make your posts looks stupid.

Secretary of the Board of T's. I wasn't trying to rip UC football. They have come a LONG way since the late 80's. My point is that some of these newer BE football programs are having some recent success (great for them!) and pretending as if they have been perinnial (sp?) national powers. Then, they trash mid-major programs (BYU, Fresno, Boise, Utah) that have been more successful recently as inferior because they don't have a BCS label.

You're not very bright are you? The people trashing the mid-major programs was esayem an ACC fan! I explained that to you, and apparently you're not smart enough to understand that. As for someone pretending to be a perennial national power, where is this school? Because if you're talking about Cincinnati and our fans then you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. My advice is that you just go back to the C-USA board because you clearly don't have a clue about what is going on on the Big East board.

Ignorance can be educated away, but stupid is forever...

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:

firmbizzle Wrote:

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:"I need to insert a little reality. I use to live in Cincy for 10 years, my mother sat in board of trustee meetings when they were considering abolishing the football program. I remember drubbings at the hands of Penn State 81-0. I remember UC being ranked the worst team in college football. Granted those teams (Boise, Fresno, Utah, and BYU) mentioned above greatest accomplishments was winning mid-major conferences, but they won conferences."

Firmbizzle, was you Mom on the Board of Ts? Can you offer any proof. My friend that was a long time ago. Keep ripping on UC football and our program will continue to make your posts looks stupid.

Secretary of the Board of T's. I wasn't trying to rip UC football. They have come a LONG way since the late 80's. My point is that some of these newer BE football programs are having some recent success (great for them!) and pretending as if they have been perinnial (sp?) national powers. Then, they trash mid-major programs (BYU, Fresno, Boise, Utah) that have been more successful recently as inferior because they don't have a BCS label.

The bulk of this thread has centered on disrespecting UC Football, and I have yet too see posters claiming newfound national power, in a historical sense, status. Likewise are posters here trashing BYU, Fresno,
Boise or Utah?

Esayem (an ACC fan) ripped those programs, including trashing Cincinnati's C-USA title. Me defending UC and C-USA (the old AND new C-USA) is somehow translated by firmbizzle as UC fans thinking they're above everyone and us trashing mid-majors. Where did he get that? Who knows. I have made two posts clearing that up for him and he has ignored them. So his whole point is to try and trash Cincinnati.

He's jealous. UNC hasn't given him anything to root for. Neither has the ACC...

bitcruncher Wrote:He's jealous. UNC hasn't given him anything to root for. Neither has the ACC... :lamfao:

So true bit, so true!

bitcruncher Wrote:The entirety of this thread is irrelevant to the subject, with 1 or 2 exceptions. What else is new?

and your point is???

by the way its 5:30 am and I am under the Backside eye wall of fay right now.. had been calm the last hour.. rains starting up again now.

I see no need to enlighten those without the sense to see my point. If you can't see the point, the attempt at enlightenment would be a waste of time.

By the way, how many times has the eye wall passed over you now? Fay is just bouncing around aimlessly at the moment, and we need some rain up here in Tennessee.

LOL...

bitcruncher Wrote:He's jealous. UNC hasn't given him anything to root for. Neither has the ACC...

Sad thing is.. it's true.

Bearcats#1 Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

CatsClaw Wrote:Truthfully, the original C-USA (with Cincinnati, Louisville, South Florida and TCU) was MUCH stronger then that league. We did get a seat at the BCS table and were considered an unofficial BCS member (I don't know if C-USA still has that distinction), but we still didn't become a full BCS member. I doubt that league would have a chance.

Actually the best C-USA year was when Tulane should have made the BCS. Louisville came on strong towards the end of their C-USA run. Cincinnati was never much in football until they got in the Big East, similar to South Florida, who was a little more impressive.

BYU won a national title in football. Memphis was close to winning NCAA's this year. Utah has won a BCS game. UTEP has won the NCAA's and has the Sun Bowl. UNLV has won the NCAA's. SMU can afford to pay their coach a mil per year (shows a little dedication). TCU is always tough on the gridiron. Houston has strong tradition in hoops and football. You fill out the league with academic powerhouses like Rice and programs that have potential like New Mexico, Tulane, and Southern Miss, and the conference champ should be in a BCS bowl.

I am not comparing this to the old C-USA or the current Big East. Hence, the 7th BCS league.

During C-USA's original run, TCU, Southern Miss, Louisville and Tulane were all Top 25 teams. One great year by Tulane isn't going to get you a BCS bid, and neither is BYU's national title. The old C-USA was stronger then the conference you're proposing, both in football and in basketball.

Should I repeat by saying I wasn't comparing. Why are you so defensive? BYU is more than just a 20 year old football title. Just because you can't see past Over the Rhine doesn't mean they don't have a huge fanbase and solid athletics. You mentioned three schools I included in the league, so thanks for helping out the cause.

And should I inform you that you WERE comparing. As for the three schools mentioned in your thread, I didn't make your point. Your point was idiotic. I mentioned those schools because those schools AT THE TIME were Top 25 teams. Tulane and Southern Miss haven't been Top 25 teams for years. So how am I making your point? As for your response to me being"defensive", and Over the Rhine (whatever the hell that means), aren't you the same person you who went on a rant a few weeks ago because we were badmouthing the ACC!? I mean, talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

You have no point. You came on here to blab about Cinci. Who cares about them? You brought them up! No I am used to people badmouthing the ACC, really doesn't bother me, just ensures me that we're doin our thing.

I would say coming to a BE board to talk about Cincy, a BE member is probably to be expected....


UC has had years of bad football....UC has primarily been a basketball school over the decades; in fact our bball history/tradition is matched by few schools. BUT, UC football since 1993 has been far from "bad". I think we've been to something like 5 bowl games in the past 8 years or something to that effect. Are the bowl games "major"? No. But bowl games none the less. And we did most of that in CUSA, not the BE.

Not sure how a 7th BCS League thread ends up being Defending Your Life for UC fans...oh, I know, some uninformed UNC fan (UNC???? You guys haven't exactly been football giants over the years) made an inaccurate comment about our football program.


And concerning Firmbizzle's comments: This is the dude that said Utah and BYU should be added to the Big EAST???? Dude, it's nice that your mom sat in on some meetings 15 years ago.....this has NOTHING to do with UC today. In fact, it actually shows how far we've come...to go from a meeting to abolish UC football (which I have heard of) to being ranked in a BCS conference is nothing short of a miracle. UC fans everywhere should be proud of this fact.

The best finish in school history came when you guys were in the Big East. Point out my inaccuracy.

CatsClaw Wrote:

firmbizzle Wrote:

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:"I need to insert a little reality. I use to live in Cincy for 10 years, my mother sat in board of trustee meetings when they were considering abolishing the football program. I remember drubbings at the hands of Penn State 81-0. I remember UC being ranked the worst team in college football. Granted those teams (Boise, Fresno, Utah, and BYU) mentioned above greatest accomplishments was winning mid-major conferences, but they won conferences."

Firmbizzle, was you Mom on the Board of Ts? Can you offer any proof. My friend that was a long time ago. Keep ripping on UC football and our program will continue to make your posts looks stupid.

Secretary of the Board of T's. I wasn't trying to rip UC football. They have come a LONG way since the late 80's. My point is that some of these newer BE football programs are having some recent success (great for them!) and pretending as if they have been perinnial (sp?) national powers. Then, they trash mid-major programs (BYU, Fresno, Boise, Utah) that have been more successful recently as inferior because they don't have a BCS label.

You're not very bright are you? The people trashing the mid-major programs was esayem an ACC fan! I explained that to you, and apparently you're not smart enough to understand that. As for someone pretending to be a perennial national power, where is this school? Because if you're talking about Cincinnati and our fans then you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. My advice is that you just go back to the C-USA board because you clearly don't have a clue about what is going on on the Big East board.

Hahaha, sorry dude. I originally posted this thread because I felt so called "mid-majors" deserved a BCS slot. Nice try!

CatsClaw Wrote:

firmbizzle Wrote:

SuperFlyBCat Wrote:"I need to insert a little reality. I use to live in Cincy for 10 years, my mother sat in board of trustee meetings when they were considering abolishing the football program. I remember drubbings at the hands of Penn State 81-0. I remember UC being ranked the worst team in college football. Granted those teams (Boise, Fresno, Utah, and BYU) mentioned above greatest accomplishments was winning mid-major conferences, but they won conferences."

Firmbizzle, was you Mom on the Board of Ts? Can you offer any proof. My friend that was a long time ago. Keep ripping on UC football and our program will continue to make your posts looks stupid.

Secretary of the Board of T's. I wasn't trying to rip UC football. They have come a LONG way since the late 80's. My point is that some of these newer BE football programs are having some recent success (great for them!) and pretending as if they have been perinnial (sp?) national powers. Then, they trash mid-major programs (BYU, Fresno, Boise, Utah) that have been more successful recently as inferior because they don't have a BCS label.

You're not very bright are you? The people trashing the mid-major programs was esayem an ACC fan! I explained that to you, and apparently you're not smart enough to understand that. As for someone pretending to be a perennial national power, where is this school? Because if you're talking about Cincinnati and our fans then you obviously don't have a clue what you're talking about. My advice is that you just go back to the C-USA board because you clearly don't have a clue about what is going on on the Big East board.

Sorry I forgot how to read....I'm not very smart.

BYUcoog Wrote:

animus Wrote:Fresno St
Boise St
Utah
BYU
TCU
UNLV
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
Hawaii

Thats a solid 10 team conference. You can always add Hawaii, Boise, Fresno to the MT West and have a BCS conference. I been saying for a while with the population shifting more to the west we will see a 7th BCS conference.

I too think the MWC will be a BCS league one day hopefully soon. we have 3 expansion slots still and I would like to use 2 and hold the last one forever incase something like colorado wanted to join..etc.

I and most mwc fans want to build and strenthen our league but we havent for some reason. I guess it just not the right time..maybe their wating to see what happen with the big east split or the cotton bowl/fiesta bowl/big 12 bcs slot.

either way I would love to see the MWC look like this.

BYU
Utah
TCU
Fresno St
Boise St
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
new mexico
wyoming
UNLV

I think the MWC has a few schools that would make it hard to be BCS. I believe a new BCS conference needs to have a untouched footprint and big markets. I could go with this as a core:

BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU.

Now, I believe Boise State could be in there too. I am unsure about state schools that are in BCS states like Fresno, SDSU, and UTEP. They def have the stadiums and market locations, but I don't know much about NCAA politics.

I think that SMU has rededicated themselves and could join the league too.

Memphis is a little far fetched if the league isn't over ten schools, but they would be a fine addition.

Tulane/Rice have big venues in big cities and have fine academics, something every BCS conference needs.

I don't know much about Houston, so I would pencil them in.

esayem Wrote:

BYUcoog Wrote:

animus Wrote:Fresno St
Boise St
Utah
BYU
TCU
UNLV
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
Hawaii

Thats a solid 10 team conference. You can always add Hawaii, Boise, Fresno to the MT West and have a BCS conference. I been saying for a while with the population shifting more to the west we will see a 7th BCS conference.

I too think the MWC will be a BCS league one day hopefully soon. we have 3 expansion slots still and I would like to use 2 and hold the last one forever incase something like colorado wanted to join..etc.

I and most mwc fans want to build and strenthen our league but we havent for some reason. I guess it just not the right time..maybe their wating to see what happen with the big east split or the cotton bowl/fiesta bowl/big 12 bcs slot.

either way I would love to see the MWC look like this.

BYU
Utah
TCU
Fresno St
Boise St
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
new mexico
wyoming
UNLV

I think the MWC has a few schools that would make it hard to be BCS. I believe a new BCS conference needs to have a untouched footprint and big markets. I could go with this as a core:

BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU.

Now, I believe Boise State could be in there too. I am unsure about state schools that are in BCS states like Fresno, SDSU, and UTEP. They def have the stadiums and market locations, but I don't know much about NCAA politics.

I think that SMU has rededicated themselves and could join the league too.

Memphis is a little far fetched if the league isn't over ten schools, but they would be a fine addition.

Tulane/Rice have big venues in big cities and have fine academics, something every BCS conference needs.

I don't know much about Houston, so I would pencil them in.

Thank you for your analysis without personal insults. I really enjoyed it. I agree that BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU, would be starts to a new MWC. I added Air Force because they wouldn't have to share a piece of a BCS pie. I added Boise St., and Fresno St. because of there consistently strong football program, and apparently Boise St had a great basketball season last year. Fresno bring in northern Cali, while San Diego St. brings in southern cali and a nice media market. I also put in Houston because of the media market, access to facilities, Houston bowl, compete in Big 12 territory. Memphis gives you another media market, liberty bowl and a great basketball team. Tulsa accesses Oklahoma, and they have a good basketball/ football team.

firmbizzle Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

BYUcoog Wrote:

animus Wrote:Fresno St
Boise St
Utah
BYU
TCU
UNLV
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
Hawaii

Thats a solid 10 team conference. You can always add Hawaii, Boise, Fresno to the MT West and have a BCS conference. I been saying for a while with the population shifting more to the west we will see a 7th BCS conference.

I too think the MWC will be a BCS league one day hopefully soon. we have 3 expansion slots still and I would like to use 2 and hold the last one forever incase something like colorado wanted to join..etc.

I and most mwc fans want to build and strenthen our league but we havent for some reason. I guess it just not the right time..maybe their wating to see what happen with the big east split or the cotton bowl/fiesta bowl/big 12 bcs slot.

either way I would love to see the MWC look like this.

BYU
Utah
TCU
Fresno St
Boise St
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
new mexico
wyoming
UNLV

I think the MWC has a few schools that would make it hard to be BCS. I believe a new BCS conference needs to have a untouched footprint and big markets. I could go with this as a core:

BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU.

Now, I believe Boise State could be in there too. I am unsure about state schools that are in BCS states like Fresno, SDSU, and UTEP. They def have the stadiums and market locations, but I don't know much about NCAA politics.

I think that SMU has rededicated themselves and could join the league too.

Memphis is a little far fetched if the league isn't over ten schools, but they would be a fine addition.

Tulane/Rice have big venues in big cities and have fine academics, something every BCS conference needs.

I don't know much about Houston, so I would pencil them in.

Thank you for your analysis without personal insults. I really enjoyed it. I agree that BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU, would be starts to a new MWC. I added Air Force because they wouldn't have to share a piece of a BCS pie. I added Boise St., and Fresno St. because of there consistently strong football program, and apparently Boise St had a great basketball season last year. Fresno bring in northern Cali, while San Diego St. brings in southern cali and a nice media market. I also put in Houston because of the media market, access to facilities, Houston bowl, compete in Big 12 territory. Memphis gives you another media market, liberty bowl and a great basketball team. Tulsa accesses Oklahoma, and they have a good basketball/ football team.

Western-BYU Utah UNLV BSU SDSU FS
Eastern- Memphis Tulsa Houston TCU UNM AFA

That's what you have? Looks cool, but I am unsure about the California schools being able to be BCS. I think SMU instead of Air Force. Tulane instead of Tulsa, this helps Memphis plus Louisiana only has one BCS school. Im sorry but it's ridiculous that a huge football state has only one BCS school. That's like what Ohio used to be. I am so glad that's over. I think if Tulane were BCS they would skyrocket like other schools have.

esayem Wrote:

firmbizzle Wrote:

esayem Wrote:

BYUcoog Wrote:

animus Wrote:Fresno St
Boise St
Utah
BYU
TCU
UNLV
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
Hawaii

Thats a solid 10 team conference. You can always add Hawaii, Boise, Fresno to the MT West and have a BCS conference. I been saying for a while with the population shifting more to the west we will see a 7th BCS conference.

I too think the MWC will be a BCS league one day hopefully soon. we have 3 expansion slots still and I would like to use 2 and hold the last one forever incase something like colorado wanted to join..etc.

I and most mwc fans want to build and strenthen our league but we havent for some reason. I guess it just not the right time..maybe their wating to see what happen with the big east split or the cotton bowl/fiesta bowl/big 12 bcs slot.

either way I would love to see the MWC look like this.

BYU
Utah
TCU
Fresno St
Boise St
Air Force
Colorodo St
San Diego St
new mexico
wyoming
UNLV

I think the MWC has a few schools that would make it hard to be BCS. I believe a new BCS conference needs to have a untouched footprint and big markets. I could go with this as a core:

BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU.

Now, I believe Boise State could be in there too. I am unsure about state schools that are in BCS states like Fresno, SDSU, and UTEP. They def have the stadiums and market locations, but I don't know much about NCAA politics.

I think that SMU has rededicated themselves and could join the league too.

Memphis is a little far fetched if the league isn't over ten schools, but they would be a fine addition.

Tulane/Rice have big venues in big cities and have fine academics, something every BCS conference needs.

I don't know much about Houston, so I would pencil them in.

Thank you for your analysis without personal insults. I really enjoyed it. I agree that BYU, Utah, UNLV, New Mexico, TCU, would be starts to a new MWC. I added Air Force because they wouldn't have to share a piece of a BCS pie. I added Boise St., and Fresno St. because of there consistently strong football program, and apparently Boise St had a great basketball season last year. Fresno bring in northern Cali, while San Diego St. brings in southern cali and a nice media market. I also put in Houston because of the media market, access to facilities, Houston bowl, compete in Big 12 territory. Memphis gives you another media market, liberty bowl and a great basketball team. Tulsa accesses Oklahoma, and they have a good basketball/ football team.

Western-BYU Utah UNLV BSU SDSU FS
Eastern- Memphis Tulsa Houston TCU UNM AFA

That's what you have? Looks cool, but I am unsure about the California schools being able to be BCS. I think SMU instead of Air Force. Tulane instead of Tulsa, this helps Memphis plus Louisiana only has one BCS school. Im sorry but it's ridiculous that a huge football state has only one BCS school. That's like what Ohio used to be. I am so glad that's over. I think if Tulane were BCS they would skyrocket like other schools have.

Yeah, that's what I had. I figured 2 schools from CA, 2 schools from TX. I'm really not sure how big louisana and New Orleans are post-Katrina. A lot of people have left the state. It will be interesting to see at the next census.

Hey firmbizzle and esayem, why don't you take your conversation to a message board that cares? The Big East is a power conference, stronger then any conference you can concoct, so you're just have to live with it.

CatsClaw Wrote:Hey firmbizzle and esayem, why don't you take your conversation to a message board that cares? The Big East is a power conference, stronger then any conference you can concoct, so you're just have to live with it.

They must call you Mr. Congeniality.