(04-04-2009 11:47 AM)panite Wrote:  So for now the BE will stand still at 16 with the BCS entitlement in tow, with BB as its strength under continued Providence tied leadership in place until the current TV contract is over, or until the new commish gets BLINDSIDED again.

With just 8 football members...believe that will always be the Commish's greatest fear (i.e. 1 of the 8 bolts to another conf/more $$$).

Only question to be answered will be is this new Commish proactive or "reactive"? (i.e. like the last one)

Quote:Are football TV revenues in the Big East shared with NON-FOOTBALL Members? Or do the current football members share those revenues just amongst themselves. Does Notre Dame get any of it?

-- The non football playing members and Notre Dame do not get any of the BE bowl or football TV money etc...Everything is split between the eight football members

Jackson

(04-05-2009 09:44 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

Quote:Are football TV revenues in the Big East shared with NON-FOOTBALL Members? Or do the current football members share those revenues just amongst themselves. Does Notre Dame get any of it?

-- The non football playing members and Notre Dame do not get any of the BE bowl or football TV money etc...Everything is split between the eight football members

Jackson

And the Big East Football teams still "dominate" overall the Big East Basketball Conference (all three #1 seeds were Big East "Football Schools...and 16 out of the last 18 Big East Tourn Champ Games were played by Big East "Football" Teams.

Football Teams have the power....and probably always will.

something else I thought of regarding TV..............

would there be any room in Big East football land to add a side tv contract with MASN?

Because ECU in 2007 had a separate deal with MASN (they televised 9 of our games) outside of C-USA's deals with ESPN and CBS College Sports.

So that's extra revenue right there.

just a thought.

(04-05-2009 09:44 AM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  -- The non football playing members and Notre Dame do not get any of the BE bowl or football TV money etc...Everything is split between the eight football members

True. Even a 1/16th share of bowl money would be a great step forward for Hoya Football. Instead, nothing.

DFW
Gtown can get apiece of that money if it upgraded its football program to 1A. That would solve the 9th school problem. Do you think the Hoyas could draw 25-30k for Big East match ups in football?

(04-05-2009 11:50 AM)DFW HOYA Wrote:  True. Even a 1/16th share of bowl money would be a great step forward for Hoya Football. Instead, nothing.

Hoya football gets nothing because they contribute nothing. Upgrade to the FBS level and I am positive the Big East football schools would be fine with splitting the football pot.

(04-05-2009 10:37 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  something else I thought of regarding TV..............

would there be any room in Big East football land to add a side tv contract with MASN?

Because ECU in 2007 had a separate deal with MASN (they televised 9 of our games) outside of C-USA's deals with ESPN and CBS College Sports.

So that's extra revenue right there.

just a thought.

-- Already exists....BE football and basketball are already shown on that channel...primarily due to the presence of the WVU fan base in DC/Baltimore for football and G-Town/WVU in hoops...pretty sure MASN shows the BE game of the week for football and both games of the week in hoops

Jackson

no, GT could not draw 25-30k for BE FB games.
They have the same promblem all BE teams have; Wash Redskins
MD is on the outskrits,
They So. part of thier Metro area are Va & VaTeck fans.

another thing that confused me.
Omnicarrier said Wash metro area is ACC country
how is Wash DC helping BE TV contract

(04-05-2009 01:14 PM)templefootballfan Wrote:  no, GT could not draw 25-30k for BE FB games.
They have the same promblem all BE teams have; Wash Redskins
MD is on the outskrits,
They So. part of thier Metro area are Va & VaTeck fans.

another thing that confused me.
Omnicarrier said Wash metro area is ACC country
how is Wash DC helping BE TV contract

My question is would Temple ever improve its football program to draw some fans? Philly market is important to the BE but either Nova or Temple has to step it up there.

Penn st and/or nd may have the philly market. I dont have the actual facts to back it up but it seems to me that ND and PSU are still the biggest draws in the Northeastern cities, at least NYC. I wonder if there are more ND fans in Boston than BC fans, I would guess yes. Anyone know?

(04-05-2009 01:43 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Penn st and/or nd may have the philly market. I dont have the actual facts to back it up but it seems to me that ND and PSU are still the biggest draws in the Northeastern cities, at least NYC. I wonder if there are more ND fans in Boston than BC fans, I would guess yes. Anyone know?

and thats probably the main reason that the future growth of Big east football lies in the southeast and not the northeast

right now Temple has a couple things going in thier favor.
FB only would not be a promblem with thier Olympic sports in A-10,
in a splitt BE, Temple BB could compete, a step back from Villanova.
but not a giant step.
thier TV market also includes all of So. Jersey & Del,
right now So. Jersey is not seeing Rutgers.
they play in NFL stadium.
thier sch is helping them, now. no body bag games
thier play on the field & atten are going up.
Temple has villanova & Army, 2 games that should bring out the casual fans,
in the MAC race should also help with atten
beating Penn St would be great.
Temple is moving slowly back in the picture

Temple has to prove that it can get fans in the stands, the Philly market means nothing if people dont go to the games they probably wont be watching it on tv either

(04-05-2009 01:14 PM)Jackson1011 Wrote:  

(04-05-2009 10:37 AM)ECMAN79 Wrote:  something else I thought of regarding TV..............

would there be any room in Big East football land to add a side tv contract with MASN?

Because ECU in 2007 had a separate deal with MASN (they televised 9 of our games) outside of C-USA's deals with ESPN and CBS College Sports.

So that's extra revenue right there.

just a thought.

-- Already exists....BE football and basketball are already shown on that channel...primarily due to the presence of the WVU fan base in DC/Baltimore for football and G-Town/WVU in hoops...pretty sure MASN shows the BE game of the week for football and both games of the week in hoops
Jackson

currently....MASN is only an affilitate on football big east games of the week (those are ESPN Regional games). There is no separate MASN/Big East contract where MASN would produce and show the football games.
if you look at Matt sarz's website:
"The Big East has contracts with ABC for network TV, ESPN Networks for national cable and ESPN Regional Television for regional syndication. In order of preference, ABC gets first choice, followed by ESPN Networks, then ESPN Regional TV. ESPN's broadband service, ESPN360, is also allowed to select games not chosen for television.
ABC/ESPN will guarantee the conference:
-Minimum of 17 games
-Of those 17, four will appear on ESPN Thursday nights, one for ESPN Saturday night, up to two on Sunday nights
-An additional minimum of five games on ESPNU."

that doesn't cover every Big east game (conference and non-conference).
so here's my point....if ECU was brought in and brought MASN with them, MASN could fill some voids in tv scheduling.....that's another tv revenue stream for the conference. ECU has good alumni/fan bases throughout Virginia (including Northern Virginia).

so...imagine a Rutgers @ ECU conference game. let's say it wasn't picked up by any ESPN.......as a fallback....MASN would be there to show it. Your talking about nationwide coverage bc MASN is available on satellite...plus tons of cable systems covering several eastern states and big markets.

ECUMan79...you'll probably have to ask Neil or Matt for sure...but I don't think TV stations produce BE games in that fashion anymore...The BE network is produced by ESPN + and networks like MASN pay ESPN for the rights to show the games...there are BE football and basketball games that are produced by ESPN +/BE TV network that are not "officially" the game of the week that do show up in local areas from time to time during the yr...the Marshall/WVU football games are a good example of that...they have not been picked up by ESPN or the BE GOTW...but are still produced by BE TV and shown locally here

Jackson

Jackson.....I understand 100% what you are saying. But.....what you posted is based on WHAT'S CURRENT.

What I'm saying is what COULD happen if there's a split, ECU was added, and the TV contracts got re-worked to include ESPN networks as first choices.....MASN as secondary backup plans. I'm just trying to come up with more TV revenue ideas to make it worthwhile for your conference to do what ECU fans want to be done. Because we know money drives this puppy dog.

But yeah....maybe Matt Sarz and Neil can chime in here with their knowledge.

(04-04-2009 11:47 AM)panite Wrote:  Memphis would be foolish to split its BB and other sports across two leagues with the uncertainty that surrounds the BB program at this time.

Memphis on the other hand has a smaller student population but provides a step into SEC country recruiting prospects, the Liberty Bowl, Fed EX ties to the Orange Bowl for BCS affiliation, and strong BB prospects once they get through the Calipari thing with a new coach and straighten their current recruiting questions out from his departure. Down side here again is that the BB people won't allow a 17th team to join with all sports affiliation that would up set the balance of power.

I disagree. We got the message loud and clear this past week. You will always be looked upon as second rate my the media unless you are affiliated with a BCS conference.

Personally, I think that most Tiger Fans would consider a "Football Only Invitation" as a precursor to ultimate membership into a BCS conference because of the success of our basketball program.

Yeah, the timing wouldn't be great but like I said earlier ... "I think that most Tiger Fans are a little sick to there stomach about the NCAA Men's B'Ball Title (2009-10) that many of us feel like we just lost. I don't think that we'd like to see this repeated."

Quote:We got the message loud and clear this past week. You will always be looked upon as second rate my the media unless you are affiliated with a BCS conference.

It really makes you wonder. Just exactly how did the world manage to get along for all those years without a BCS to tell us which schools were second rate and which ones were not?

Quote:Personally, I think that most Tiger Fans would consider a "Football Only Invitation" as a precursor to ultimate membership into a BCS conference because of the success of our basketball program.

Quite so. Still, there is the question -- however trivial it may seem -- of where to park the non-football sports in the meantime? And how long would that limbo-status last? And what if, just what if, the Big East later decided not go through with the full marriage, after all?

(04-04-2009 01:31 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  It's amazing how all these ACC, SEC, and CUSA fans seem to all be against a BEast expansion or split. What are all you people worried about? Hmmm...

Could be that we are not blinded by the petty divisions the Big East's many constituencies have set up among themselves.

Most of us outside of the Big East view growing programs UConn and Rutgers being able to play at NFL stadiums on national TV as a good thing. However, certain members of the Big East object because their opponent will be Notre Dame.

Most of us outside of the Big East view the creation of a lacrosse conference as helping grow the programs. However, certain members of the Big East complained that football-playing schools and non-football-playing schools are cooperating with each other.

We get it. You don't all get along. However, not one of the many constituencies has the votes to break off. So sit back, enjoy the cash, enjoy the exposure, and wait it out. Maybe as you wait it out, you'll find rivalries develop naturally, not by forcing all-sports conferences, and the league will become even stronger.