(12-26-2010 02:58 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 02:45 PM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  Well it would make sense that the Big East would be looking in Texas for a second team. It is very obvious that the non BCS Texas schools stand no chance of getting into the Big 12 with four teams already in Texas from the same conference. I'm cheering for you Houston to be the next Big East team.

It's interesting that some consider UCF's biggest drawback to be that it would be the 5th BCS program in the state (at which point all 4 large "state schools" would be AQ), yet no one mentions that adding another Texas team would mean SIX BCS programs all in one state.

The difference is that Texas is congested into one conference. If Texas had gone to the Pac-10 and A&M to the SEC this would have been an issue. Basically there is an entire Texas conference, so having a Texas school in another BCS conference isn't that big a deal.

(12-26-2010 04:38 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 04:03 PM)Iamready Wrote:  Who will be the eventual 12th team?

I would go with Memphis because basketball is really being diluted with the other additions

Let me first restate, that I am opposed to a 12 football team alignment. That said, if I had to choose one, I'd remember not to live in the moment. Memphis has been revived in the past few years, but historically is no better a basketball school than Houston or Temple, or for that matter the dreaded Depaul and Seton Hall that people want to boot. Hell Western Kentucky and Penn can make cases for having better basketball programs, especially when you consider they only have one Final Four that actually counts.

To answer the question, since I really don't consider Houston to be a team to be added even if going to 12, I'd say the next logical team to add would be ECU, with Temple next in line, if only because of their location, and they too are historically a good basketball team. I hate even saying Temple, but after ECU they would be the next best bet.

I'd go with UCF as the 10th team, then I'd add UH and SMU as teams No. 11 and 12 in 2016 or so.

As I wrote in another thread:
Texas is a HUGE, rapidly expanding state that is teeming with talented and well coached HS football players. Now that we have officially added TCU I think it would be foolish and shortsighted if we failed to commit to our new vision. The "Lone Star State" basically supplies the talent for the entire B12 as well as teams in several other FBS leagues - BCS and otherwise. If we could get a good foothold in that state - and I mean real presence, not the half-hearted, superficial C-USA approach - it could benefit the entire league.

Just imagine having a 12 team league with five programs located in talent-rich Florida and Texas. Then add in the fact that the league would also have a presence in Pennsylvania, Ohio, and New Jersey - the most prolific talent producing states in the North. That would give the league a presence in eight states that are consistently strong talent producers. No other league in America would be able to match that talent base and it would all but assure that we'd always be competitive at the highest levels of the sport.

On the television front, adding SMU would obviously solidify that Dallas/Fort Worth market (No. 5 DMA in the US) and it would immediately give TCU a fierce, local rivalry, which would be good for the league as a whole, IMHO. Also, by having two other Texas schools in the league I think that would help seal up that No. 10 Houston market.

Don't get me wrong, I like a lot of the qualities that ECU brings to the table as well (good home atmosphere, football centric school, travels well to away and bowl games) and I could certainly live with the Pirates in our league. However I think SMU's ceiling is just a little bit higher than ECU's ceiling especially when one considers the entire composite of the league rather than just the individual teams therein.

(12-26-2010 02:52 PM)CardinalJim Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 02:36 PM)UCF-ENG Wrote:  Outside of USF, I simply can not understand where all the UCF hate comes from in the Big East...

I believe most of the opposition against UCF is being driven by a vocal USF.
CJ

Every member in this conference is equal and respected. It's amusing reading post by people who completely disrespect USF and act like everyone in the conference thinks along the same lines. We'll see, but things could get interesting. I'm hoping to see the conference go to 12.

(12-26-2010 02:58 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 01:10 PM)UHCougar07 Wrote:  Well you have the Big XII -2 pushing for the same thing, so there can be some outside support to help the Big East maneuver.

The Big XII has not been pursuing a CCG game. They are getting paid for one, while not having it, and not having it knock a potential second BCS team our of the running. They have no interest in having one at this time. I do not know where this keeps coming from. Now, Jerry Jones wants them to have one, but that should not be confused with the conference itself.

The Big 12 wouldn't mind having a CCG game at all, it has nothing to do with their dislike of a CCG and everything to do with not wanting to split the money between 2 new teams. If they were promised that they would get paid the same amount of money they are getting now per team even if they added two members they would add those two members and have a CCG. If Nebraska and Colorado hadn't left they would still have a CCG.

I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

(12-26-2010 06:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

I've said this before, the idea is that the Big East has never been in Texas before so they're going to need all of the help they can get penetrating that market. The same can't be said for Florida, the Big East has been in Florida for several decades. And this conference works together so if you're talking about bringing in a team despite another team's protests that's pretty damaging. And obviously the conference feels the same way.

Cat,

Nobody in Flordia cares about the Big East (outset Tampa). Houston nor UCf gives you market domination in a state. At least UCF only has one pro team and UF to really worry about..... But it's a long battle eiter way for relevance.

(12-26-2010 06:17 PM)saxamoophone Wrote:  Cat,

Nobody in Flordia cares about the Big East (outset Tampa). Houston nor UCf gives you market domination in a state. At least UCF only has one pro team and UF to really worry about..... But it's a long battle eiter way for relevance.

I've said this before, the Big East doesn't care about market domination, all they need is a share of the market, and they could get that in Texas with Houston and TCU. They already have a share in Florida and they could get further into the state, now the Big East probably wants to focus on Texas.

(12-26-2010 06:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

I've said this before, the idea is that the Big East has never been in Texas before so they're going to need all of the help they can get penetrating that market. The same can't be said for Florida, the Big East has been in Florida for several decades. And this conference works together so if you're talking about bringing in a team despite another team's protests that's pretty damaging. And obviously the conference feels the same way.

Hey CC how much of it is actually the league rather than internet boards and so forth for being against the idea of having UCF in the BE??? I would think UCF would receive the votes for it might be close, but I think they would get in, and I am not arguing about having Houston in the BE for I like that idea. I just think it would help the league more with their presences of having two teams in each state not to mentioning the scheduling effects this would help in recruiting to actually tell kids yes YOU WILL be playing in Florida as well as Texas every year. now don't think I don't under stand where everyone is coming about saturating a market, but I don't think that is the case in Florida at all. You have over populated leagues amongst states in Texas belonging to the Big 12-2 as well as several teams in North Carolina in the ACC with in short bus ride from each other if not closer. I don't think it would saturate the market one bit.

(12-26-2010 06:24 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

I've said this before, the idea is that the Big East has never been in Texas before so they're going to need all of the help they can get penetrating that market. The same can't be said for Florida, the Big East has been in Florida for several decades. And this conference works together so if you're talking about bringing in a team despite another team's protests that's pretty damaging. And obviously the conference feels the same way.

Hey CC how much of it is actually the league rather than internet boards and so forth for being against the idea of having UCF in the BE??? I would think UCF would receive the votes for it might be close, but I think they would get in, and I am not arguing about having Houston in the BE for I like that idea. I just think it would help the league more with their presences of having two teams in each state not to mentioning the scheduling effects this would help in recruiting to actually tell kids yes YOU WILL be playing in Florida as well as Texas every year. now don't think I don't under stand where everyone is coming about saturating a market, but I don't think that is the case in Florida at all. You have over populated leagues amongst states in Texas belonging to the Big 12-2 as well as several teams in North Carolina in the ACC with in short bus ride from each other if not closer. I don't think it would saturate the market one bit.

Here's a question, how much of it is the media rather than the league who actually wants UCF? I've told people for a long time don't always believe what you see.

I don't think anyone here has any clue what the BE wants. Heck I don't think they know what they want. Will they take Houston?? maybe... maybe not. Will they take UCF?? maybe..... maybe not. I laugh every time I see someone acting like they have some sort of Idea what will or will not happen.

Both UCF and Houston should be added. As for #12 either Memphis or ECU.

(12-26-2010 06:37 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't think anyone here has any clue what the BE wants. Heck I don't think they know what they want. Will they take Houston?? maybe... maybe not. Will they take UCF?? maybe..... maybe not. I laugh every time I see someone acting like they have some sort of Idea what will or will not happen.

Really? I told you and others that Houston was much more in the picture then UCF fans realized and they are. I told you that the Big Ten was done expanding and they announced it soon afterwards. Other people told you other things. There were people on here that told us about the Big 12 schools almost coming to the Big East, people kept saying that the MWC had a chance, then Bill Self confirmed that it was true. People don't know everything, but people know a lot more then you give them credit for. I've never acted like I know everything that is going on, but people talk to me, and there are people a heck of a lot more "connected" then I am. Things are moving along. The Big East knows exactly what they want. People like to perceive the Big East as this clueless, helpless, weak conference and nothing could be further from the truth. The Big East has a plan in place to make us an elite conference perception wise (in football) and financially, and they're executing that plan.

(12-26-2010 06:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

I've said this before, the idea is that the Big East has never been in Texas before so they're going to need all of the help they can get penetrating that market. The same can't be said for Florida, the Big East has been in Florida for several decades. And this conference works together so if you're talking about bringing in a team despite another team's protests that's pretty damaging. And obviously the conference feels the same way.

This is not meant to be a flame but you can't compare the old Miami of the Big East to USF of the Big East. Miami had a national/statewide cult following as maybe 3% of all Miami "fans" actually could tell you where UM was located on a map and even less than that actually attended UM. That is what happens with winning national championships, USF does not have that history. USF has ZERO market interest outside of Tampa and really unless USF is playing another Florida school or WVU, not even Tampa really cares about USF, the same could be said of UCF. USF has not "made it" in Florida and while I am not a big UCF to Big East fan, USF needs UCF in the Big East to actually stir up interest in the school. When the two teams play each other, it actually gets statewide attention, something that rarely happens for either school.

(12-26-2010 06:45 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote:  Both UCF and Houston should be added. As for #12 either Memphis or ECU.

This, and if they were serious about FB, ECU would be 12. 12/20 will work fine, have the championship hosted by the team with the best record unless TV money dictates that a particular neutral site would bring more value, and you got yourselves a solid BCS conference with a solid footprint and a ton of football and basketball (20 teams!) inventory for the BEN.

(12-26-2010 06:47 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:37 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't think anyone here has any clue what the BE wants. Heck I don't think they know what they want. Will they take Houston?? maybe... maybe not. Will they take UCF?? maybe..... maybe not. I laugh every time I see someone acting like they have some sort of Idea what will or will not happen.

Really? I told you and others that Houston was much more in the picture then UCF fans realized and they are. I told you that the Big Ten was done expanding and they announced it soon afterwards. Other people told you other things. There were people on here that told us about the Big 12 schools almost coming to the Big East, people kept saying that the MWC had a chance, then Bill Self confirmed that it was true. People don't know everything, but people know a lot more then you give them credit for. I've never acted like I know everything that is going on, but people talk to me, and there are people a heck of a lot more "connected" then I am. Things are moving along. The Big East knows exactly what they want. People like to perceive the Big East as this clueless, helpless, weak conference and nothing could be further from the truth. The Big East has a plan in place to make us an elite conference perception wise (in football) and financially, and they're executing that plan.

The BE has not said it is interested in Houston, It is all rumor's just as the BE has not said it is interested in UCF it is all rumor's. The fact you are part of the rumor mill means nothing to me. I do agree the BE is moving forward,, where to??? Who the hell knows. I don't, and I don't think anyone with any inside info is hanging out on this board.

(12-26-2010 06:53 PM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

I've said this before, the idea is that the Big East has never been in Texas before so they're going to need all of the help they can get penetrating that market. The same can't be said for Florida, the Big East has been in Florida for several decades. And this conference works together so if you're talking about bringing in a team despite another team's protests that's pretty damaging. And obviously the conference feels the same way.

This is not meant to be a flame but you can't compare the old Miami of the Big East to USF of the Big East. Miami had a national/statewide cult following as maybe 3% of all Miami "fans" actually could tell you where UM was located on a map and even less than that actually attended UM. That is what happens with winning national championships, USF does not have that history. USF has ZERO market interest outside of Tampa and really unless USF is playing another Florida school or WVU, not even Tampa really cares about USF, the same could be said of UCF. USF has not "made it" in Florida and while I am not a big UCF to Big East fan, USF needs UCF in the Big East to actually stir up interest in the school. When the two teams play each other, it actually gets statewide attention, something that rarely happens for either school.

I never said anything about the old Miami. What I'm saying is that the Big East has established a presence in Florida over the years, now that does have something to do with Miami. USF doesn't need UCF in the Big East to stir up interest and the Big East has more of an influence in that state then you realize. Just because you don't see fans walking around wearing hats and shirts doesn't mean that TV people aren't interested in the Big East. If the Big East continues to do what they're doing they won't need a UCF vs USF game to get attention.

(12-26-2010 06:58 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:47 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:37 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I don't think anyone here has any clue what the BE wants. Heck I don't think they know what they want. Will they take Houston?? maybe... maybe not. Will they take UCF?? maybe..... maybe not. I laugh every time I see someone acting like they have some sort of Idea what will or will not happen.

Really? I told you and others that Houston was much more in the picture then UCF fans realized and they are. I told you that the Big Ten was done expanding and they announced it soon afterwards. Other people told you other things. There were people on here that told us about the Big 12 schools almost coming to the Big East, people kept saying that the MWC had a chance, then Bill Self confirmed that it was true. People don't know everything, but people know a lot more then you give them credit for. I've never acted like I know everything that is going on, but people talk to me, and there are people a heck of a lot more "connected" then I am. Things are moving along. The Big East knows exactly what they want. People like to perceive the Big East as this clueless, helpless, weak conference and nothing could be further from the truth. The Big East has a plan in place to make us an elite conference perception wise (in football) and financially, and they're executing that plan.

The BE has not said it is interested in Houston, It is all rumor's just as the BE has not said it is interested in UCF it is all rumor's. The fact you are part of the rumor mill means nothing to me. I do agree the BE is moving forward,, where to??? Who the hell knows. I don't, and I don't think anyone with any inside info is hanging out on this board.

Whatever, you can believe what you want, it's not my job to convince you of anything. All I know is that someone close who is an ear to the ground warned me of something like this a month ago. That's why I have told your fellow UCF fans to be careful when you put the badmouth on others. And I'll say this again, getting angry at me and other people doesn't change anything. Getting angry at the messenger is just a waste of your energy. And I'll also say this to you and others AGAIN, and read what I'm saying instead of coming up with another angry retort or blow it off, READ and LISTEN to people. I said this in another thread, there have already been 3 or 4 clues over the last month from reputable people in the media that points towards this happening. So instead of complaining that I'm part of the rumor mill actually look around you.

In fact, since people won't take my posts seriously and actually read it, I'll give you one of the clues that I saw over a month ago that hinted at this happening:


http://www.cowboyaltitude.com/2010/10/26...t-occuring

Renu Khator the President of the University of Houston tweeted on Monday that more conference expansion/realignment could be in the works. Khator has been attending the Conference USA Board meeting when the report came out. The fact that this came from an actual University official is pretty amazing. Chip Brown must be kicking himself for not breaking the news on this one.

There are no specific details in the tweet so it leaves plenty to the imagination. The last big news about realignment was the Big East having some interest in TCU. It has been pretty quiet after that news broke last month. Would Khator tweet about schools within her own conference or even Houston itself switching conferences?

There is a LOT more to that then meets the eye by the way.

(12-26-2010 07:06 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:53 PM)Sir Galahad Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:13 PM)CatsClaw Wrote:  

(12-26-2010 06:05 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  I would bring in Central Florida first, and I really don't care who doesn't want them in for they have a team that can step right in and compete unlike a team in Philly who will need at least 3-4 years before even able to play. Then if the league is serious in going to a 12/20 league then bring in the best candidates even if it's CUSA for we all know that Notre Dame isn't coming as well as any other BCS team, and Texas is not going to let go of their little ******* no matter how much of a fuss they make. So you bring in Houston and East Carolina which ever order who cares for these two teams are deserving especially ECU, and if Houston is able to break ground on new facilities then yes this will help their cause, but inviting them at a latter date helps also with them getting ground broke as well instead of rushing for a piss poor design. I really don't under stand all this SMU talk as of late, and travel partner that TCU is going to need for if USF can get by on their own with no help then so can TCU, but I like the idea of having two teams in Florida as well as in Texas.

I've said this before, the idea is that the Big East has never been in Texas before so they're going to need all of the help they can get penetrating that market. The same can't be said for Florida, the Big East has been in Florida for several decades. And this conference works together so if you're talking about bringing in a team despite another team's protests that's pretty damaging. And obviously the conference feels the same way.

This is not meant to be a flame but you can't compare the old Miami of the Big East to USF of the Big East. Miami had a national/statewide cult following as maybe 3% of all Miami "fans" actually could tell you where UM was located on a map and even less than that actually attended UM. That is what happens with winning national championships, USF does not have that history. USF has ZERO market interest outside of Tampa and really unless USF is playing another Florida school or WVU, not even Tampa really cares about USF, the same could be said of UCF. USF has not "made it" in Florida and while I am not a big UCF to Big East fan, USF needs UCF in the Big East to actually stir up interest in the school. When the two teams play each other, it actually gets statewide attention, something that rarely happens for either school.

I never said anything about the old Miami. What I'm saying is that the Big East has established a presence in Florida over the years, now that does have something to do with Miami. USF doesn't need UCF in the Big East to stir up interest and the Big East has more of an influence in that state then you realize. Just because you don't see fans walking around wearing hats and shirts doesn't mean that TV people aren't interested in the Big East. If the Big East continues to do what they're doing they won't need a UCF vs USF game to get attention.

If there was interest in the big east in Florida than there would be radio networks outside of Tampa and Orlando. There would be games on the TV networks outside of Tampa, there is not. As I said, this is not bashing it is fact. I'm sure that there are TV's tuned to TV big east games in EVERY state, that does not mean there is a good following. Unless you live in Florida, you don't don't understand college football in this state.