(08-01-2011 09:21 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 07:15 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 06:32 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  

(07-31-2011 08:21 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  ESPN wins if they can break up the Big12.

If it was good for ESPN to have B12 break up they would already be gone. Espn had a huge role in saving the B12.

That was before ESPN signed UT to a long term contract.

The LHN was part of their plan to save the Big XII. They did it, and more or less overpaid for it, witht he plan of keeping Texas happy, and the Big XII together, and using the LHN to prevent the Big XII from forming a conference network of htei rown, which would be a problem for them. That last part did not quite work out for them the way they hoped, but they most certainly saved the conference from implosion. ESPN has a vested interest in keeping the Big XII together: they do not want superconferences.

(07-31-2011 08:34 PM)3rdandBlunder Wrote:  If they go independent, nobody HAS to play them and they could very well end up getting crummy schedules. Look how well it's working out for BYU long term...

Not sure what you mean. BYU has signed home and home contracts with Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, Hawaii, Boise St, and West Virginia. Their schedule looks much better now than it ever did in the MWC.

I don't think some of those games are home and home....not sure bit I believe Notre Dame and Texas are 2 for 1

(08-01-2011 09:08 AM)jam2112 Wrote:  

(07-30-2011 07:44 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:  

(07-30-2011 05:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Interesting. We could see nothing happen at all, or we could see a Big 12 meltdown that sends:

- Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State to the Big East;
- Missouri and Texas A&M to the SEC;
- Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to either the Pac-12 or SEC;
- Texas Tech and Baylor to the MWC, which replaces the Big 12 as the sixth AQ conference; and
- Texas to independence (with its non-football sports joining TTU and Baylor in the MWC).

And ESPN will tip the balance one way or the other since it's doling out the cash.

I'd rather have Texas Tech or Baylor over Iowa State.

Texas A&M leaving for the SEC would force the SEC to take an ACC team, IMO that would be Florida State (VaTech is tied down, and UNC just won't leave). NC State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Missouri are other options.

The Big East would then scoop up Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Christian, and Texas Tech for the 2012 season. However, they would be in a great position to add some ACC teams. Welcome back Boston College and Miami. Maryland, Temple, ECU, and Memphis are the other options to get to 16. The football schools would have to split if this is the case.

The ACC would pretty much die in this case. They could add Temple, or UCF to get to 8 schools, but they are pretty much done.

I doubt any of this will happen, but if Texas A&M leaves for the SEC who knows...

It's too late to get any more teams into the conference for 2012. TCU is in, but if KU, K-State & T-Tech accepted an invite today, they would not be in until 2013. The deadline for 2012 was 6/30/11.

Not true for if the conference happens to dissolve for reason being teams moving out of the Big12-2 to other conferences leaving them undermanned then a vote most likely will take place to let teams go or play out the schedule. If say 6 teams happen to jettison the conference for new homes leaving behind 4 schools do you really think their by-laws are going to stand up making them do this and pay this in order to exit...I don't think so. Especially if the Grand poobah Texas decides to up and leave as an Indy with the rest of the schools you think they are going to give a rats ass about obligations to a conference...again I don't think so. So IMO if the conference dissolves then yes they can be brought in for the 2012 season.

(08-01-2011 04:21 PM)superdeluxe Wrote:  

(08-01-2011 01:55 PM)Wedge Wrote:  FIFY

I don't see how this is any more meaningful than people speculating on this message board.

Well the guy works for ESPN and blogs about the big 12, the thought is he is more connected to what is going on..and might have something behind is opinion. The guy has access and the means that people on this message board don't. This ain't some bleacherreport guy.

Dude, you really think a blogger,whose main job is to surf the internet and post articles written by other people, has any clue what the B12 presidents are doing? No way. Brian bennet has the same job and his BE expansion news was several levels below what we learned on this board. In other words,no sources,just his opinion. No one outside of the highest levels knows what is going on.

Jon Wilner posted a long take on this today, which I generally agree with, here's an excerpt...

Action/reaction: Pac-12 expansion options … or lack thereof

Quote:. . . Frankly, I’m not sure there are any good options for the Pac-12 with Texas, Oklahoma and A&M all off the table.

Reaction V: Now … If Oklahoma and A&M were to shun the SEC (for reasons I cannot fathom) and consider the Pac-12, then the conference might have some workable pieces: The Sooners and Aggies would increase the value of Oklahoma State and Tech and form a quartet that conceivably could be paired with the Arizona schools and Utah/Colorado to form an “eastern” division. That wouldn’t form as clean a split, and without Texas it wouldn’t be nearly as lucrative — but it might be workable.

Reaction VI: It seems inevitable that Texas will go Independent in football, resulting in the collapse of the Big 12. But that point might come later rather than sooner. And the reason is an oft-overlooked component to the Independent issue: The Longhorns would need a home for their powerhouse Olympic and women’s sports. If the Big 12 breaks apart, where would they place their men’s basketball team? Their baseball team? The Pac-12/14/16 wouldn’t make sense logistically. The Mountain West and Conference USA would be options, but bad ones. (Texas vs. Nevada in swimming!?!?) BYU faced the same dilemma as UT until the West Coast Conference offered a first-rate solution. Texas wouldn’t have a comparable option in the post-Big 12 world. . . .

And it looks like the Big 12 will go one for at least one more year

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.d...=205235905

Quote:Today, the ADs of the Big 12 Conference unanimously agreed to establish a minimum one-year moratorium on the broadcast of any high school content (or any other content involving prospective student-athletes) via any medium branded as a Conference or member institution platform (and no use will be permitted thereafter unless and until the NCAA determines that such use is permissible).

In addition, the ADs learned and acknowledged that there may be contractual opportunities that allow more than one football game to be broadcast on institutions' branded networks. That game could be a Conference matchup. In these instances both member institutions and the Conference office must agree to the selection. Such games would result in additional financial and exposure opportunities for the rest of the membership.

(07-31-2011 08:07 PM)juveeer Wrote:  

Quote:How about you self loathing BE fans realize this: Oliver Luck isn't God, not close.Dude has accomplished next to nothing as an AD so far. Also, when you read a tweet or some blogger saying his fantasy rumors, how about taking them with a grain of salt? To think these people know what is really going on is comedy.Rant over.

Says who?

When I spoke with him last week, his voice did seem to come from everywhere...

(08-01-2011 05:14 PM)Wedge Wrote:  Jon Wilner posted a long take on this today, which I generally agree with, here's an excerpt...

Action/reaction: Pac-12 expansion options … or lack thereof

Quote:. . . Frankly, I’m not sure there are any good options for the Pac-12 with Texas, Oklahoma and A&M all off the table.

Reaction V: Now … If Oklahoma and A&M were to shun the SEC (for reasons I cannot fathom) and consider the Pac-12, then the conference might have some workable pieces: The Sooners and Aggies would increase the value of Oklahoma State and Tech and form a quartet that conceivably could be paired with the Arizona schools and Utah/Colorado to form an “eastern” division. That wouldn’t form as clean a split, and without Texas it wouldn’t be nearly as lucrative — but it might be workable.

Reaction VI: It seems inevitable that Texas will go Independent in football, resulting in the collapse of the Big 12. But that point might come later rather than sooner. And the reason is an oft-overlooked component to the Independent issue: The Longhorns would need a home for their powerhouse Olympic and women’s sports. If the Big 12 breaks apart, where would they place their men’s basketball team? Their baseball team? The Pac-12/14/16 wouldn’t make sense logistically. The Mountain West and Conference USA would be options, but bad ones. (Texas vs. Nevada in swimming!?!?) BYU faced the same dilemma as UT until the West Coast Conference offered a first-rate solution. Texas wouldn’t have a comparable option in the post-Big 12 world. . . .

So he acknowledges that some expansion is possible with OU, He seems to want to tie A&M/OU together, not really looking at if OU would have difficulty in ditching OSU.