(07-30-2011 05:57 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Interesting. We could see nothing happen at all, or we could see a Big 12 meltdown that sends:

- Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State to the Big East;
- Missouri and Texas A&M to the SEC;
- Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to either the Pac-12 or SEC;
- Texas Tech and Baylor to the MWC, which replaces the Big 12 as the sixth AQ conference; and
- Texas to independence (with its non-football sports joining TTU and Baylor in the MWC).

And ESPN will tip the balance one way or the other since it's doling out the cash.

I'd rather have Texas Tech or Baylor over Iowa State.

Texas A&M leaving for the SEC would force the SEC to take an ACC team, IMO that would be Florida State (VaTech is tied down, and UNC just won't leave). NC State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, and Missouri are other options.

The Big East would then scoop up Kansas, Kansas State, Texas Christian, and Texas Tech for the 2012 season. However, they would be in a great position to add some ACC teams. Welcome back Boston College and Miami. Maryland, Temple, ECU, and Memphis are the other options to get to 16. The football schools would have to split if this is the case.

The ACC would pretty much die in this case. They could add Temple, or UCF to get to 8 schools, but they are pretty much done.

I doubt any of this will happen, but if Texas A&M leaves for the SEC who knows...

(07-30-2011 07:30 PM)Long Time Fan (TCU) Wrote:  IF SEC goes to 14 will ACC and Big 10 follow suit? Also, if the above scenario played out Texas Tech is a much more attractive schools than Iowa St.

Exactly if that scenario plays out Kansas and Kansas State have no say in the matter anyway, and will join the Big East in an instant. Texas Tech and Texas Christian joining the Big East gives us more of the Texas market than the Big East ever thought possible.

PAC 12 could muck it all up and go to 18 lol

(07-30-2011 07:35 PM)uofl05 Wrote:  

(07-30-2011 04:27 PM)WVUEers Wrote:  

(07-30-2011 04:04 PM)Joey_Niklas Wrote:  I just wished these rumors would just die

I'm betting you were one of the guys who thought that the ACC would never raid the Big East right?

Better than being like you and Eermenow who believe and get off on every scenario or rumor posted, bc your just dying to see the BE fail.

I'm not dying to see the BE fail. I just don't want WVU to be part of this mess anymore. Hell I don't want any of us to put up with this crap. UofL,Cuse,Pitt, WVU and even Rutgers deserve better than this.

He seems decided that the SEC would take one of FSU, Miami, GT or Clemson from the ACC eventhough Slive stated last year that they would not expand into their current footprint. Yes, he does nothing but muddy the expansion waters.

I'm glad we have a thread about Texas A&M now...I've wondered why I couldn't find anything about them on this site

The Big12 and Big East would be stupid to congregate under the Big East banner....better if you are going to combine to do it under the Big12. Better football name and no catholic basketball onlies. You get the split often talked about and the benefit of an all sports conference w/ existing NCAA bids, bowls, AQ status, existing framework etc. Becoming a 20+ team conference will not make the Big East stable.

Also...just because Maryland is only averaging in the 30ks right now does not mean they want to join the Big East.

L'ville fans pretend Maryland is miserable and would trade NY and NJ over VA and NC schools any day.

Just because you burned all your bridges with public schools in VA doesn't mean Maryland wants to.

IMO The BEast fits WVU nicely. We're stable finally, and with the addition of TCU in 2012 we'll have finally evened out the schedule so that all teams have 4 home conference games every year. The prospects for The BEast are better now than they've been since the conference first started playing football in 1991. The only conference that's in danger of becoming extinct is the Big XII, since its future is solely dependent upon the whims of Texas. The only way The BEast MIGHT be in any danger is if the superconferences are formed, and it might not affect us even if that happens. There are far more attractive candidates in other conferences for all parties involved...

Here's the thing, the SEC alone taking one or even two teams from the ACC would not kill the ACC and MAYBE the ACC could then go on to reload with Big East teams. However, if/when the B1G expands to follow suit they're absolutely going to look first at ACC schools if only because the perception of the ACC and it's members is greater than that of the Big East and IT'S members. The combination of both SEC and B1G taking from the ACC is what will cripple it. Further more, no school's going to leave to the ACC until the dust settles to see just how depleted it does or does not become from the expansion mess.

And WVU, I think you and I are looking at the Big East differently. You're looking at the whole hot damn mess that it is right now. I'm speaking strictly of the football playing members. The basketball schools will either be silenced or 86'd all together. I genuinely think there's a desire amongst the football playing schools to work together, and I'm starting to think they view themselves as a different conference almost from the basketball schools. In any event, they'll act in their own best interest, basketball schools be damned.

I think you're oversimplifying things, 3rd. The football schools aren't going to totally disassociate themselves from the non-football playing members. Many of them sit in prime markets, and when they are competitive, they draw a huge TV audience. The hybrid may be odd, and many of us (myself included) would prefer an all-sports conference, but the fact is it's very profitable. Our basketball revenue dwarfs all other conferences. Completely throwing that away would be short sighted. In the future that may change. But I see no sign of it happening - or being considered - at present. That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face...

If I was SEC, I'd really want OU instead of Mizzou. Mizzou is a nice get but OU is a big prize. Now if it is OU and OSU or just Mizzou, I might take Mizzou. I think OU wants the Pac-12 over the SEC (easier to compete for NCs in the Pac-16). I don't think the Pac-12 would pass on OU. I could see SEC grabbing A&M and Mizzou (maybe be done for sort term). Pac-12 takes OU, OSU and Tech (Tech used to be in same conference as Arizona schools). For last spot, Pac-12 would either make one last run at UT or go get KU. KU might feel pressure to go Big East b/c there would be spot for KSU and Big East is a better fit for basketball.

If SEC did expand, I wonder what Big 10 would do. I could see them staying put. Not many teams really add enough to justify and if SEC leaves ACC and Big East alone then maybe they wait awhile before they do anything. After OU and A&M I don't see much in Big 12 that Big 10 would want (maybe Mizzou and KU since both are AAU schools and would be happy to take less than full share for several years to join conference).

I don't think any of Big 12 schools would be happy in new conference. They would all go from being center of conference to geographical outliers. And it would be cool for them to play new schools for the first couple of years but I think they would miss playing rivals.

Agree bit, am I thrilled with everything in the BE? Nope. But I would be foolish not to give them a chance to really change things for the better with this new TV deal,network possibly,etc.

No idea what the Hokie is talking about Maryland. Maryland sucks,and no one mentioned them in this thread.

Personally Bit, I see the basketball schools getting cut...but that's not the point of what I'm trying to say. I'm merely saying the football schools won't let them dictate anything at this point if it means potentially getting schools such as Kansas into the conference or Miami back. In order for the Big East to absorb the remainders of the ACC and Big XII, we don't necessarily HAVE to split from the basketball schools...just not let them dictate the course of action.

(07-30-2011 08:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think you're oversimplifying things, 3rd. The football schools aren't going to totally disassociate themselves from the non-football playing members. Many of them sit in prime markets, and when they are competitive, they draw a huge TV audience. The hybrid may be odd, and many of us (myself included) would prefer an all-sports conference, but the fact is it's very profitable. Our basketball revenue dwarfs all other conferences. Completely throwing that away would be short sighted. In the future that may change. But I see no sign of it happening - or being considered - at present. That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face...

Basketball revenue dwarfs other conferences? Is this due to your 4 million dollar tv contract or the $23,109,436 (1.44million each) from the NCAA last year? The ACC got 1.52 million per team, the Big12 got 1.42. By which definition is that dwarfing anyone?

(07-30-2011 04:13 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Thanks for sharing. Who knows if anything will happen or not but it sure seems like there is a lot rumors swirling around.

Also found it interesting that ESPN is still pushing forward to air HS games on the LHN despite Beebe saying they couldn't do it.

Quote:Pearland Dawson officials indicated last week that the LHN has contacted the school inquiring about the possibility of airing one of their games this fall. The school is home to highly-rated offensive lineman Kennedy Estelle who happens to also be a Texas verbal commitment. There have been others similar reports of ESPN contacting high schools across the state about broadcasting games – this coming after the Beebe proclamation and the public statements of concern from Texas

I still don't see how this is not a violation (if it actually airs). You can't show a recruit on your Jumbotron during a visit, but you can show him on your network? It's not gonna fly.

If I were the SEC, I'd try to get WVU along with A&M.

Besides, I'm not sure the SEC wants to initiate the kind of fallout that would happen if they dealt a deathblow to the Big 12 by taking 2 teams.

Texas will need to compromise on its network, ie cut a&M into the $, or this could happen. Who knows what the chain reaction will be, maybe texas will still try to keep the big 12 together even if it loses missouri and texas A&M...throw out invites to byu and tcu. Eventually, texas goes indy in football but i could see them try to carve out a league for other sports. ALot would depend on what OU did, would they also go indy in football...heck such a texas league could be a safe heaven for nd if the other leagues go super conference.

texas -football indy
texas tech
smu
tcu
baylor
new mexico

ou- football indy
osu
ku
ksu
isu
byu

David Sandhop, the Aggie Scout Publisher -- Published Friday, July 22, 2011
Very interesting article about the LHN, ESPN and Texas A&M.
(Ball Gravy is the poster about 7 posts down.)

Quote:I spoke to several sources with close contacts to the SEC and its partners. They have indicated that meetings have taken place between Texas A&M representation, SEC representation, and even a TV sports network's representation to go over the policy details and contractual details of the SEC Conference. Basically, Texas A&M has asked for legal clarification on a number of topics and issues, and the team is collecting operational data and other information pertinent in supporting such a due diligence activity. It’s not to a point where A&M is negotiating terms, but simply collecting information and understanding the details of the SEC Conference and how it operates among the member institutions. In short, A&M doesn’t want to get caught with its pants down again and will have all the necessary information and analysis to make a quick decision if needed.

(07-30-2011 08:51 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  I think you're oversimplifying things, 3rd. The football schools aren't going to totally disassociate themselves from the non-football playing members. Many of them sit in prime markets, and when they are competitive, they draw a huge TV audience. The hybrid may be odd, and many of us (myself included) would prefer an all-sports conference, but the fact is it's very profitable. Our basketball revenue dwarfs all other conferences. Completely throwing that away would be short sighted. In the future that may change. But I see no sign of it happening - or being considered - at present. That would be like cutting off your nose to spite your face...

What non-basketball school, other than Georgetown, really have been winning over the past few years? I know that St. Johns is getting better but Providence and Seton Hall are thanking God that you USF and Rutgers to keep them company in the conference basement. Same thing with DePaul. Marquette has done okay but not on a consistent basis. Same with Notre Dame-have they been playing good ball consistently?

(07-30-2011 09:02 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(07-30-2011 04:13 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  Thanks for sharing. Who knows if anything will happen or not but it sure seems like there is a lot rumors swirling around.

Also found it interesting that ESPN is still pushing forward to air HS games on the LHN despite Beebe saying they couldn't do it.

Quote:Pearland Dawson officials indicated last week that the LHN has contacted the school inquiring about the possibility of airing one of their games this fall. The school is home to highly-rated offensive lineman Kennedy Estelle who happens to also be a Texas verbal commitment. There have been others similar reports of ESPN contacting high schools across the state about broadcasting games – this coming after the Beebe proclamation and the public statements of concern from Texas

I still don't see how this is not a violation (if it actually airs). You can't show a recruit on your Jumbotron during a visit, but you can show him on your network? It's not gonna fly.

Supposedly, the NCAA will be looking into this and who knows how they will rule. That is why some schools are checking out their options. It may drive subscriptions up on some sites but people in high places are upset from what I have read.