(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:39 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:29 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:20 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  How is my argument wrong. A&M has been given the OK from the Big 12. The SEC has accepted. But only accepted on the condition that all 9 Big 12 schools agree to waive their right to legal action. Baylor has chosen not to sign that waiver and now it has come out that a number of other Big 12 schools are not agreeing to sign their waivers either. Now, if the SEC and A&M wanted they could still go along with the change in conference for A&M. A&M can start play next season, but that might open them up to legal action from Baylor or any of the other Big 12 schools that haven't waived those rights. The SEC appears to not want A&M that bad.

Agreed. However, by not signing, Baylor has now called the Big XII release form (of which I'm sure they approved at the time) into question. The Big XII Commissioner would not have signed his name to a document without first receiving permission from all of the members.

If what they are arguing here is true in that everyone has a landing point except Baylor, then this is the final act of a desperate man. However, if they are stalling to give the Big XII more time to try to reel A&M back in, then they are just a puppet to a much larger operation.

Either way, the signed Big XII document does carry a lot of weight.

Arguing with Baptist's will get you no where. How come they didn't do this when Nebraska left, or Colorado left? The only thing they are holding their hat to is this contract that was signed last year. I have yet to see another school say they were not okay with A&M's departure other than Baylor. Baylor guy please show me something that the other schools are following your institutions direction? Maybe your Whorn buddies?

First off, I'm a Methodist and only attended Baylor because I lived in Waco and got a scholarship there. We didn't raise a fuss over Nebraska and CU because our TV money pie didn't shrink and our slice of the pie got larger. Now with A&M leaving and causing OU, OSU, TX and TT to possibly leave our TV money pie is going to be gone. Just look on this board and you can see where ISU, KU and KSU have all come out saying they are behind Baylor and won't sign their waivers.

Do you think by not signing the waiver its really going to stop TAMU from leaving the Big 12? They can go anywhere they want to. They could even go Indie for one year if they had to. Its not TAMU's fault that Texas has screwed the pooch, but everyone is wanting to put the blame back on them. Do you really think this helps Baylor's futURe by Holding another University hostage, because that's what it is. You know you will be regulated to the Sun Belt because you won't get the votes in C-USA.

So much for Baylor getting any non-conference games down the line.

Several sources now responding that several Big 12 schools will not sign their waivers, including KU, KSU, and ISU.

Most Big 12 fans don't want A&M back. They are fine with them going to the SEC if that's what they want to do. I certainly don't want A&M to stay if they don't want to be here- that accomplishes nothing.

But I do think most Big 12 programs are hesitant to sign away their right to litigate when the departure in Year 1 of a 10 year deal will likely cause harm to that contract.

In the end, I think A&M still goes to the SEC, if the SEC wants them. And the Big 12 schools will reserve the right to litigate. Depending on how the Big 12 ends up after the fact, it may or may not result in any type of suit. If the Big 12 stabilizes and grabs BYU (for example), then there probably wouldn't be any suit at all as the TV deal may stay in place and there will be no grounds for it.

But to sign that right away with no knowledge of what may happen and get nothing in return is not being responsible. Too much is at stake- and not just for Baylor, but for other universities as well.

(09-07-2011 03:59 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:39 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:29 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:20 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  How is my argument wrong. A&M has been given the OK from the Big 12. The SEC has accepted. But only accepted on the condition that all 9 Big 12 schools agree to waive their right to legal action. Baylor has chosen not to sign that waiver and now it has come out that a number of other Big 12 schools are not agreeing to sign their waivers either. Now, if the SEC and A&M wanted they could still go along with the change in conference for A&M. A&M can start play next season, but that might open them up to legal action from Baylor or any of the other Big 12 schools that haven't waived those rights. The SEC appears to not want A&M that bad.

Agreed. However, by not signing, Baylor has now called the Big XII release form (of which I'm sure they approved at the time) into question. The Big XII Commissioner would not have signed his name to a document without first receiving permission from all of the members.

If what they are arguing here is true in that everyone has a landing point except Baylor, then this is the final act of a desperate man. However, if they are stalling to give the Big XII more time to try to reel A&M back in, then they are just a puppet to a much larger operation.

Either way, the signed Big XII document does carry a lot of weight.

Arguing with Baptist's will get you no where. How come they didn't do this when Nebraska left, or Colorado left? The only thing they are holding their hat to is this contract that was signed last year. I have yet to see another school say they were not okay with A&M's departure other than Baylor. Baylor guy please show me something that the other schools are following your institutions direction? Maybe your Whorn buddies?

First off, I'm a Methodist and only attended Baylor because I lived in Waco and got a scholarship there. We didn't raise a fuss over Nebraska and CU because our TV money pie didn't shrink and our slice of the pie got larger. Now with A&M leaving and causing OU, OSU, TX and TT to possibly leave our TV money pie is going to be gone. Just look on this board and you can see where ISU, KU and KSU have all come out saying they are behind Baylor and won't sign their waivers.

Do you think by not signing the waiver its really going to stop TAMU from leaving the Big 12? They can go anywhere they want to. They could even go Indie for one year if they had to. Its not TAMU's fault that Texas has screwed the pooch, but everyone is wanting to put the blame back on them. Do you really think this helps Baylor's futURe by Holding another University hostage, because that's what it is. You know you will be regulated to the Sun Belt because you won't get the votes in C-USA.

I don't care if A&M leaves or goes independent! Let them go. But if them leaving means the gravy train I agreed to last summer is over then they better cough up some more money like we had to do to keep them last summer. Does it really matter if we come off looking bad in this? Before we weren't in any fan's discussions of being in a BCS league and now fan's are saying we won't be in any BCS league because of this. How has that changed. If anything it will hopefully keep the Big 12 together or solidify our relationship with KU, KSU, and ISU where the four of us go together.

(09-07-2011 04:23 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:59 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:53 PM)BaylorFerg Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:39 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 03:29 PM)FIUFan Wrote:  Agreed. However, by not signing, Baylor has now called the Big XII release form (of which I'm sure they approved at the time) into question. The Big XII Commissioner would not have signed his name to a document without first receiving permission from all of the members.

If what they are arguing here is true in that everyone has a landing point except Baylor, then this is the final act of a desperate man. However, if they are stalling to give the Big XII more time to try to reel A&M back in, then they are just a puppet to a much larger operation.

Either way, the signed Big XII document does carry a lot of weight.

Arguing with Baptist's will get you no where. How come they didn't do this when Nebraska left, or Colorado left? The only thing they are holding their hat to is this contract that was signed last year. I have yet to see another school say they were not okay with A&M's departure other than Baylor. Baylor guy please show me something that the other schools are following your institutions direction? Maybe your Whorn buddies?

First off, I'm a Methodist and only attended Baylor because I lived in Waco and got a scholarship there. We didn't raise a fuss over Nebraska and CU because our TV money pie didn't shrink and our slice of the pie got larger. Now with A&M leaving and causing OU, OSU, TX and TT to possibly leave our TV money pie is going to be gone. Just look on this board and you can see where ISU, KU and KSU have all come out saying they are behind Baylor and won't sign their waivers.

Do you think by not signing the waiver its really going to stop TAMU from leaving the Big 12? They can go anywhere they want to. They could even go Indie for one year if they had to. Its not TAMU's fault that Texas has screwed the pooch, but everyone is wanting to put the blame back on them. Do you really think this helps Baylor's futURe by Holding another University hostage, because that's what it is. You know you will be regulated to the Sun Belt because you won't get the votes in C-USA.

I don't care if A&M leaves or goes independent! Let them go. But if them leaving means the gravy train I agreed to last summer is over then they better cough up some more money like we had to do to keep them last summer. Does it really matter if we come off looking bad in this? Before we weren't in any fan's discussions of being in a BCS league and now fan's are saying we won't be in any BCS league because of this. How has that changed. If anything it will hopefully keep the Big 12 together or solidify our relationship with KU, KSU, and ISU where the four of us go together.

The Big 12 had a small chance before today of surviving but now you have really pissed A&M off. If you think doing this to OU will phase them and keep them from leaving you are way off base. You all probably just killed any life that it had left. Now I'm sure the big boys of the conference will get together and move all at once and they will be left with no penalty's because the conference just went in the gutter. If you have dreams of keeping these ego's all together you are crazy! Good luck in the Sun Belt!

I can't blame Baylor and the other lower echelon teams in the BigXII (-3, soon to be - 7).

They had to endure NOT getting any of the NU and CU exit fees last year, and now are seeing the conference dissolve due to the immense greed of Texas and the anger of aTm toward the Whorns.

Hold your ground; do NOT sign any BS waiver that snake Slive is demanding.

Anyone else think a few of the lower echelon ACC schools are watching this as well, knowing the SEC is already quietly talking to Virginia Tech??

If I'm in OU's shoes this just solidifies how bad of an idea staying in the B12 is.

(09-07-2011 04:33 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  If I'm in OU's shoes this just solidifies how bad of an idea staying in the B12 is.

Exactly right. If Baylor is going to sue everyone who leaves, might as well make them work hard and sue everyone at once...

(09-07-2011 03:05 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 02:55 PM)Up2stuff Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 02:42 PM)billetingman1 Wrote:  

(09-07-2011 02:29 PM)BaylorGuy314 Wrote:  Baylor football was horrible for a long time. To deny that is to deny facts. However, the program is definitely on the upswing with a vast improvement in facilities, fan support, and recruiting.

As for this particular deal:
Baylor was a party to a $1.17 billion contract that may go 'poof.' At the end of the day, A&M and the SEC want Baylor to waive any rights they have against parties who may have caused that to happen.

Why would they do that? Because they are a team player? Because they are weak? Because they are supposed to do as they're told?

Baylor has not said it would sue. In fact, I would guess that it won't. But Baylor HAS said that they are not going to completely waive that right just so A&M can make a lot of money in another conference.

Lets reverse this for a second. So If you were invited to the SEC would you be mad if you were being held hostage? What Baylor is doing is just flat out wrong and you all are blind with your green and yellow glasses. Your record over the last decade is proof that you should have never been in a BCS conference period. Even with Texas leftover recruits you should have one at least 50 Games. Don't give me this crap about how good your other sports are, they should be with all the money you all have made.

Are you forgetting the fact that aTm signed a contract to stay for 10 years? What the **** is a contract for if not for this very purpose. Why even have it? Why did aTm sign it? So a year later aTm decidess to back out of their obligation and that is Baylor's fault somehow? Unbelievable. Baylor is not holding them hostage. The contract THEY signed and agreed to is holding them hostage. To blame Baylor is absolute BS. It has absolutely nothing to do with if it were the other way around...it's not...it is what it is. aTm can go... just get ready to pay up what the courts decide is fair... that's all.. and that's only IF Baylor did decide to sue.

Up2

I've heard there was an agreement but nothing was signed. A&M and others were promised money as part of the agreement to stay that never came through.

You may be absolutely right. I admit, I wasn't sitting at the table. And if that is the case, and Baylor did decide to sue, well, it would be up to the aTm lawyers to make that point. In my mind however, that is no reason for Baylor to give up their legal right to sue, if they decided to. Why would they do that? This could/would hurt their program. No doubt about it.