(10-10-2011 11:07 AM)miko33 Wrote:  If I was any of those candidate schools, I would not accept an invite until the current BE schools agree to either a steep buyout ($50 mil) or agree to give up their media rights for 10 years.

So it was ok for Pitt to get out cheaply but everyone else has to pay your recommended "steep buyout"?

Who the Big East SHOULD add, but won't.

Buffalo, they're the flagship university of New York State. They're an AAU member, and replace Syracuse. They have shown some commitment to football. They have new uniforms this year. Basketball should challenge for a MAC title (not that that's saying much). I'm a little biased as I root for Buffalo when they're not playing Syracuse, but they have unlimited potential if SUNY would support athletics. A true sleeping giant, that may forever be asleep.

Massachusetts, get the Big East back into the Boston market. Which is a market you need if you want to control the Northeast. Is extremely similar to Connecticut. Who wouldn't want to watch a basketball game between UConn and UMass? If they were to join the Big East they could have enough money and support from the government to build a similar stadium to UConn's on campus.

Temple, great basketball. Is the 6th most winningest program all time behind only Kentucky, Kansas, North Carolina, Duke, and Syracuse. DAMN. They bring another market that is key in the Northeast in Philly. They have the stadium situation under control, unlike 'Nova.

UCF, War on I-4. Somehow you gotta replace the backyard brawl. This and UConn vs UMass could eventually do that. They have rising football with great facilities. Basketball isn't anything to be desired, but is better than other candidates.

Memphis, brings great basketball which the Big East needs after losing two of it's best schools. Hopefully when they get in they step up their football, or they will eventually be booted like Temple was.

Navy (football only), gets the Big East into the Maryland market for football which will help recruiting. They bring great tradition, and a team people will watch on TV.


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ECU, if Navy decline they are a good choice. Decent football. Bad basketball. They have fan support at least.

Marshall, if West Virginia leaves replace them with Marshall. Marshall has fairly good football, and is one of the better C-USA basketball teams this year. (not that that's saying much)

(10-10-2011 07:45 PM)LastMinuteman Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 12:05 PM)miko33 Wrote:  That's probably a fair statement. I think UCONN is blocking UMASS from joining the BE because of the finite amount of recruits that can be mined from the New England area.

I've also come to the conclusion that UConn has put the block on. There are plenty of very good reasons why UMass would not be a top 6 choice for Big East expansion anyway

Only in the Northeast would you find flagships from different states blocking each other.

1) For a while it seemed like USF was blocking UCF to the Big East, right? Now that USF looks like it would be left out in some realignment scenarios I think they have backed off that stance.

2) Where does the UConn to ACC move stand? I haven't heard much about that since the Globe article came out highlighting BC's push take Pitt over UConn to ACC

I don't think UConn would have the same change of heart USF did but it certainly seems like Karma always comes around to bite people in the backside.....

(10-11-2011 07:29 AM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  Just to clarify....I did read it....I think you are missing something. It says any conference with a bowl contract will continue to have AQ status. The Big East does not have a Bowl Contract.

Thus it specifically states the ACC, Pac-10, Big 10, SEC and Big 12 will not come up for review. That however, does not appear to include the Big East.

If the BCS continues under the same or a similar format, conferences
will be evaluated on their performances during the 2010 to 2013
regular seasons to determine which conferences without bowl
contracts will have automatic qualification for the bowls that will
conclude the 2014-17 regular seasons.
Conference agreements with bowls will continue. The Pac-12 and
Big Ten champions will host the Rose Bowl if their teams are not in
the BCS National Championship Game. Likewise, the Southeastern
Conference champion will host the Sugar Bowl, the ACC champion
will host the Orange Bowl and the Big 12 champion will host the
Fiesta Bowl.

Good info, but honestly, you don't even have to read past the opening phrase of that quote:

Quote:If the BCS continues under the same or a similar format

When it behooves the SEC, B1G, ACC, and Pac to do something, they'll just change the rules. Heck, they're already working on that with the attempt to drop the 2-team maximum.

Boise State
Colorado State
Air Force
San Diego State
New Mexico
Nevada-Las Vegas

...if the 6 BE football schools would break away from the Providence crowd...

One man's opinion

(10-10-2011 03:41 PM)p53 Wrote:  My sources tell me that Boise will bolt to the Big East if they can secure the rest of their sports in the WAC.

I doubt that your sources know Jack-sh!t.

(10-11-2011 07:15 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 07:06 AM)BeatNavy Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 01:11 AM)Nola Gator Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 12:03 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 11:52 PM)Nola Gator Wrote:  By and large, superior athletes largely have no interest in going to the service academies.

To the extent that is true -- and I agree, it IS true, by and large -- it was also true in (say), 1963, when Navy went 9-1 and was ranked #2 in the final (end-of-regular-season) polls, and went to one of the 4 major bowl-games (Cotton).

It was also true in (say) 1958, when Army went 8-0-1 and finished ranked #3 in both AP (sportswriters) and UPI (coaches) polls.

I don't know about that. The NFL wasnt a great financial incentive at that point. And college wasn't nearly as attainable for many so they were more willing to take the military route. You can also make inferences based on race and financial standing of most college athletes.

Contributors to "decline" of service academy football besides the NFL pay scale:
(1) impact of a long unpopular war
(2) no military draft

This. It the same reason why AFA and Navy seerm to be doing OK while Army is still in the woods. While they've finally got a coach, the Army is the service that is bearing the brunt of our current wars. Makes it difficult to recruit anyone, to say nothing of athletes that are capable of playing CFB.

I was actually talking about the first long unpopular war.

The current one(s) have made it harder for us to crawl out of the HUGE hole left by Rick Greenspan and Todd Berry.

(10-10-2011 10:38 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:53 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  1) Air Force (FB only)
2) Navy (FB only)
3) Central Florida (All Sports)
4) East Carolina (FB only)
5) Temple (All Sports)
6) ?? Boise (FB only)

These are the six.

Guys, the media has reported that these are the six that are under consideration. And they make perfect sense.

(10-11-2011 08:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:38 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:53 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  1) Air Force (FB only)
2) Navy (FB only)
3) Central Florida (All Sports)
4) East Carolina (FB only)
5) Temple (All Sports)
6) ?? Boise (FB only)

These are the six.

Guys, the media has reported that these are the six that are under consideration. And they make perfect sense.

The media has also reported that SMU, UH, and Villanova are under consideration.

(10-11-2011 09:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 08:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:38 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:53 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  1) Air Force (FB only)
2) Navy (FB only)
3) Central Florida (All Sports)
4) East Carolina (FB only)
5) Temple (All Sports)
6) ?? Boise (FB only)

These are the six.

Guys, the media has reported that these are the six that are under consideration. And they make perfect sense.

The media has also reported that SMU, UH, and Villanova are under consideration.

True, but SMU, UH, and Villanova don't make as much sense.

(10-11-2011 09:13 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 09:02 AM)CalallenStang Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 08:56 AM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:38 PM)SMUstang Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 10:53 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  1) Air Force (FB only)
2) Navy (FB only)
3) Central Florida (All Sports)
4) East Carolina (FB only)
5) Temple (All Sports)
6) ?? Boise (FB only)

These are the six.

Guys, the media has reported that these are the six that are under consideration. And they make perfect sense.

The media has also reported that SMU, UH, and Villanova are under consideration.

True, but SMU, UH, and Villanova don't make as much sense.

Which is of course why all 3 will probably be picked. Whatever you think makes sense for the BE go with the exact opposite and that's the likely direction they will go.

(10-11-2011 06:26 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 09:42 PM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 09:34 PM)The WEST is the BEST Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 07:02 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant understand why ECU isnt higher on the list
Geographic fit
Committed to FB
Rabid fans
They want to come!!
Who knows what potential they have.
Are they much differnt from Vtech when they got the nod?

The answer is rather obvious - lack of a major TV market. You have all the positives with the exception of a major TV market. The conferences are seeking TV revenues which equates to major markets.

I could be wrong....but I think maybe.....ECU's present and last year's record may play a role.

Keep in mind, for the purpose of the AQ calculations.....only last season matters, along with 2011, 2012 and 2013.

Right now ECU would hurt those numbers. Whereas, Houston for example, projects to be undefeated or with 1 or 2 losses at most. So more than likely they will finished ranked in the top 20. SMU also....with the win over TCU.....could end up with a ranked team at the end of the season. Thus, those two for that reason alone.....MAY have nudged out ECU. I am just speculating but that could play a role.

While ECU is certainly struggling right now (2-10 in their last 12 games...with their 2 wins coming against UAB), ECU's Chancellor last fall stated why ECU has and would always have problems/challenges in landing a BCS AQ invite (they still can get one and I feel actually deserve one):

ECU Chancellor (Fall 2010 interview):

"We've actually been working on conference realignment for years and years and doing everything we could. The one thing I want to make sure everybody knows is that I believe Terry Holland everybody at ECU including and all the way up to the board have done everything we can do to position ourselves for the best possible conference affiliation. The bad news is there is no question in my mind that TV revenues control everything. All the things that we can control, the eight or nine variables from facilities to performance to integrity and all those things, may account for 10 to 15 percent of any conference realignment.

"If you can't bring new revenues to whoever might be looking at you, and unfortunately that has an awful lot to do with the number of TV sets and a little bit to do with the perceived recruiting area that you're in, then you're not going to be considered like universities in the bigger cities unfortunately. That does not ever help Greenville."

People in Greenville call this leadership???

To think that ECU fans have the nerve to come here & criticize Big East leadership. What a pile of excuses this guy can churn out. ECU fans have been listening to this guy too long.

I'm sure that folks at TCU, Utah, BYU, & Boise are delighted that they didn't have to suffer through this poor excuse for leadership at the head of any of their universities. Somehow they all manged to succeed on a level that ECU can only dream about and they've done it outsde an AQ conference.

(10-10-2011 03:41 PM)p53 Wrote:  My sources tell me that Boise will bolt to the Big East if they can secure the rest of their sports in the WAC.

Then your "sources" are basically saying Boise to the Big East isn't gonna happen. Since the WAC offers football at the same level as the Big East, Boise could not be a member of the WAC and play football for the Big East...at least according to those pesky NCAA rules. They could be a member of the WCC or MVC or Big Sky and play Big East football, because those conferences do not offer FBS football.

Refer to Temple as the go-by. They are members of the A-10, but can play football in the MAC or Big East. IIRC, UCF did the same thing for while. They played football in the MAC but were members of the Atlantic Sun conference. (feel free to correct me if I botched a detail)

(10-11-2011 07:29 AM)The Brown Bull Wrote:  

(10-11-2011 06:38 AM)CuseOnly Wrote:  Gonna re-post this from above cause u didn't take the time to read it. A conference has to be 8 schools that play in all sports for a certain period o time. If they go below 8 football/all sports schools for too long then yes they could lose the status...but use your head.

Do you think honestly they will go below 8 schools ever w/o adding in new schools knowing the repercussions?? Hence the 27 month waiting preiod.

Read the links below!!!!!!!

There is no provision for an AQ school to lose it's AQ status. Go to the link below and read to educate yourself.

There is only a provision for the BCS to add another conference based on rankings going through 2012.

http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=4809793

38 page BCS Guide right from the website...start on page 11.
http://espn.go.com/i/ncf/bcs/2011BCSGuide2.pdf

The information is out there but you actually have to look it up.

Just to clarify....I did read it....I think you are missing something. It says any conference with a bowl contract will continue to have AQ status. The Big East does not have a Bowl Contract.

Thus it specifically states the ACC, Pac-10, Big 10, SEC and Big 12 will not come up for review. That however, does not appear to include the Big East.

If the BCS continues under the same or a similar format, conferences
will be evaluated on their performances during the 2010 to 2013
regular seasons to determine which conferences without bowl
contracts will have automatic qualification for the bowls that will
conclude the 2014-17 regular seasons.
Conference agreements with bowls will continue. The Pac-12 and
Big Ten champions will host the Rose Bowl if their teams are not in
the BCS National Championship Game. Likewise, the Southeastern
Conference champion will host the Sugar Bowl, the ACC champion
will host the Orange Bowl and the Big 12 champion will host the
Fiesta Bowl.

The Big East has several bowl contracts including with the BCS. How do you think Connecticut played in BCS bowl last year. DO you think that that bowl does not have a contract with the Big East ??

Every year the bowls Rotate and the lowest Bowl gets the last pick, usually the Fiesta bowl. Know Why, something called the NCG which ALWAYS has someone from the 6 AQ conferences in it leaving 2 spots open, hence the Big East winner will ALWAYS be in a BCS bowl by default.

Look at everyone's bowl predictions...Fiesta Bowl is always at the top.

Look at the bottom of the page...where it says "In addition to the Bowl Championship Series, the BIG EAST Conference also has agreements with a number of other postseason bowl games." So you know...In addition in this context means that have an agreement with the BCS to participate in a bowl. Just because they do not Host a BCS bowl does not mean they don't have a contract.

http://www.bigeast.org/Sports/Football/B...ineup.aspx

Read this part...
Results from the 2008, 2009, 2010 and 2011 regular seasons will be
evaluated to determine whether a seventh conference earns automatic
qualification for the 2012-13 and 2013-14 bowl games.

I don't see ANYWHERE in the document where it states...a current AQ conference will lose it's status if they don't meet the criteria below...etc.
No...it just states a provision for 7th conference to be included.

Learn some stuff before you reply.

(10-11-2011 08:33 AM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(10-10-2011 03:41 PM)p53 Wrote:  My sources tell me that Boise will bolt to the Big East if they can secure the rest of their sports in the WAC.

I doubt that your sources know Jack-sh!t.

Boise's problem is if they leave their won't be a WAC. The MWC will just invite SJSU and Utah State and leave Boise traveling to Texas and L-Tech for all thier sports.

Boise's problem is that the Big East presidents will decide who to invite, not the Big East ADs. If it were up to the ADs, Boise would have already received and accepted an invitation and held the press conference.