Last time I looked Tiger we had more wins this year than you and more quality wins. Wake up son......the coffee is on.

TopCoog Wrote:brick city...If these is a split it will be years away and its not likely. The ACC is more likely to add teams than the BE. That said, I'm sure these guys will keep talking about it for the next 20 years whether it happens or not. Its just a thing they do, heaven knows why.
Holland is probably frustrated at the lack of nearby rivals for ECU and the high travel expanses you get off by yourself the way you are. Too bad there are not more nearby options for some sore of league in that area but there doesn't appear to be.

Coog,

Your rationale is ludicrous. How do you come up with saying the ACC is more likely to expand than the Big East? The ACC is at 12. The Big East is at 8. They can't last at eight. everyone knows that. Scheduling is a problem. Continuity is a problem. And last but not least the BCS WILL NOT allow them to stay at eight. It aint happening. So who needs the teams?

THE ANSWER THERE COOG IS THE BIG EAST. THIS IS A FACT GET OVER IT.

Everyone knows that if UH was on the East coast you would be lobbying for membership.

Don't be stupid Coog. We all know you hate the Big East due to envy but the facts are they will have to expand. When and Who is the real questions?

Coog, some friendly advice to you, sit back relax and have a cold one. You are all over yourself. It is not good for you!!!

The Big east is at 16 Pirate, that is reality. ECU is not going to the big east and you know it. Why do they need you? You don't offer them anything they can't get closer to home...no market, no name football team , no basketball ....give me a reason why the BE would want East Carolina????

I know Jurich is lobbying hard for the Big East football playing schools breakaway and expand to 9 to 12 teams in the next couple of years. If we add 1 team I believe it is between Memphis and ECU. Most Big East fans agree. If however more than one school is added, things could get crazy real fast. I can see Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and West Virginia lobbying for ECU and Memphis, the northern schools seem to want some combination of Army, Navy, and DII schools. Who knows what will happen. The only thing Big East fans agree on is at least 1 team must be added and perhaps has many as 4. The key to that statement is Big East fans. Fans from other conferences, particularly those from a conference that took a major hit when the Big East reloaded, CUSA, are disturbed by this. Understand that fans of teams in CUSA see Big East expansion as a threat to their survival. Where else can a team like Houston play? The SEC doesn't want them. The Big 12 isn't expanding, already said thanks but no thanks a number of times. Now those are facts not opinions... Big East fans, Memphis and ECU don't let the fans of schools that have left behind a number of times when conference expansion occured dampen your spirits. Keep building your programs and the invite will come, thats a fact.
CJ

Quote:the trouble is that Nova has been invited to move up at least twice and has declined (it is my understanding that they are facing some staduim issues)

The increasingly unpredictable rule changes of 1-A football is probably not making the decision any easier for Villanova. I thought that with Temple being booted, Nova could rent out the Linc once the Owls were forced down to 1-AA. But then the NCAA lightened up on the 15k attendance rule (for schools like FIU, FAU and consequently, Temple in the long run, not to mention the fact that it was just a dumb rule), and Temple looks to be getting a long term football home in the MAC, so Nova probably won't have a shot at renting the Linc anytime soon.

I don't know the issues surrounding building their own stadium, but I doubt they have the money to throw around that UConn did/does, which makes a 1-A jump look improbable.

It's a shame too, they have great basketball fan support (small venue but they always sell out, 6.5k, and 13k for Kansas playing in the 76ers arena). I wonder if Philly would support a winning 1-A college football team? That's the 4th largest market in America and they already have so much tradition with us in hoops. It could be an even bigger asset to the league than UConn if they pulled it off successfully...

You may now return to your weekly TopCoog/Memphis/ECU fan arguments.

TopCoog Wrote:Last time I looked Tiger we had more wins this year than you and more quality wins. Wake up son......the coffee is on.

Are you talking about basketball, SON?

Let's not compare basketball programs over the last 5 years, decade or 20 years. You'll lose those comparisons.

We're having a down year. Houston is having a down milleneum.

Top Coog you are so bitter because you know Houston will be stuck in a stripprd down and worthless CUSA, when the Big East adds Memphis and ECU!

Quote:I don't know the issues surrounding building their own stadium, but I doubt they have the money to throw around that UConn did/does, which makes a 1-A jump look improbable.

-- From what I have been able to gather from Nova fans....there football staduim happens to be located in a very influent suburb....and because of its location...making the staduim bigger and adding more parking is almost impossible...also when Villanova has considered moving its football back up....the citizens living around the staduim have started petetions/gotten local polticans involved to try to stop the process because they don't want lager crowds moving through their neighborhoods getting to and from the football staduim

-- Another option Villanova has is to move its home games to Franklin Field.....Temple has done this in the past despite the fact that Franklin Field is probably as old as Fenway Park and has cement like astroturf (at least it did the last time WVU played Temple there)

Quote:I wonder if Philly would support a winning 1-A college football team?

-- They already do....the Penn St Nittany Lions.....even if Nova moved up...I doubt they would draw muh better then Temple did...Philly is a pro town and the college fans that do live there already support PSU


Jackson

3601...i'll compare basketball programs with you any time ...break it out son. We have five final four banners in our gym, you have two. We have been down since the mid 90's but so what. If you think Cougar basketball is going to stay down you are stupider than I thought. If I were you I'd stop worrying about the big east and start worrying about my butt in CUSA, you haven't won this one yet.

TopCoog Wrote:3601...i'll compare basketball programs with you any time ...break it out son. We have five final four banners in our gym, you have two. We have been down since the mid 90's but so what. If you think Cougar basketball is going to stay down you are stupider than I thought. If I were you I'd stop worrying about the big east and start worrying about my butt in CUSA, you haven't won this one yet.

Ancient history. CCNY was once a national power too. Unless some Houston scientist figures out how to clone Drexler, Hakeem and Elvin Hayes, Houston is going to have the same pitiful future as CCNY. Memphis is having a down year this year, but we do have a C-USA banner from as recently as last season.

TopCoog Wrote:If I were you I'd stop worrying about the big east and start worrying about my butt in CUSA, you haven't won this one yet.

Actually Memphis was part of the regular season champioship split last season.

right 3601...most of the crap you have done is ancient history as well. Spinning is for losers and you know how to do it. You are not going to be able to hang with Tommy Penders. memphis is one of those programs that have become 'legends in their own minds.'
Why do you think Trangese called and said , "thans but no thanks, we'll take USF."

bearcat65 Wrote:Actually Memphis was part of the regular season champioship split last season.

That is what I'm talking about.

TopCoog Wrote:right 3601...most of the crap you have done is ancient history as well. Spinning is for losers and you know how to do it. You are not going to be able to hang with Tommy Penders. memphis is one of those programs that have become 'legends in their own minds.'
Why do you think Trangese called and said , "thans but no thanks, we'll take USF."

Wake me up the next time Houston cracks the top 25 in either football or basketball.

3601 Wrote:

bearcat65 Wrote:Actually Memphis was part of the regular season champioship split last season.

That is what I'm talking about.

I know. I was directing that to the poster who is oblivious to facts and reality.

A false impression that one gets after reading these posts is that the bball onlys are the unwilling bystandard in all this...kind of like a spouse that is fighting against a devorce....I'm really not sure that's accurate....Many of the bball only fans think that there basketball league got hijacked by the football schools in the 1990s and that the identity of BE basketball no longer exitst or at least is very different then it was in the 1980s....most supportes of the Catholic schools on the other BE board seeme thrilled with the idea of keeping the BE name, MSG and letting the football schools with there crazy expansion demands go on there own

-- I'd also like to make a point about how crazy schedulig is going to be in the new league.....the BE has only 12 schools this year and still St Johns/Villanova and Seton Hall/Georgetown only play once ( those were big rivlarys back on the day)....for most of the 1990s the BE was a 14 team league and because of that schools went years without visiting the home court of a conference mate...case in point...tonight Uconn plays @ WVU...this is the first time Uconn has been in Morgantown since 1999...I'm sure there are wierd scheduling quirks like this everywhere around the league...now...jump the number of schools to 16 and imaine the scheduling problems....how many years before USF gets to play St Johns in MSG? How long before DePual plays Rutgers in the RAC? Are Seton Hall and Georgetown even going to play next year? Basketball scheduling for the 16 team league is going to be a mess...and the size of the conference will prevent any kind of stability/new identity from forming


Jackson

I agree Jackson. One thing has becoma clear to me is the that the schools that do not play 1A football, are also the weaker basketball programs. Unless Notre Dame plays football in the BE, a split will happen.

I'll do that 3601....We'll be watching for those powerful Tigers as well.

TopCoog Wrote:I'll do that 3601....We'll be watching for those powerful Tigers as well.

Basketball is down right now, but at least we were ranked in both sports THIS season.

Street and Smith just ranked us as the 37th best program in history, considering we have been down for 10 years that is not bad. Just remember 3601, nothing lasts forever, everyone has their time in the tank from time to time. You have had yours as well.