(04-17-2012 03:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:15 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:45 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:31 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  there for him...according to the story shortly before killing himself he told his mother "Mom, you don’t know how it feels to be hated."

Apparently not, or they would have pulled him from the school.

So, the public schools overtly failed this kid, and you want to blame it on the people who would like to reform them.

you should be able to go to school without death threats...

I agree. But if you get them, then the schools should do something about it. They didn't, ergo they failed.

This is straightforward easy enough for even you to understand.

You want to blame someone, then look at the 80+% Democrat public schools.

i see...so it's not the fault of the people sending death threats and starting facebook hate groups to hound a young man...it's the parents...it's the "Democrat public schools"...it's the liberals...wow...your logic is unimpeachable

Uh, you're the guy trying to pin it on "Republicans and evangelicals". So you fail that too.

The schools failed him. Others deserve blame, but it's incontrovertible that the schools failed him. If you are so concerned about this, why would you let that part slide? Hmmm.

(04-17-2012 04:02 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:21 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:15 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:52 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:45 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  Apparently not, or they would have pulled him from the school.

So, the public schools overtly failed this kid, and you want to blame it on the people who would like to reform them.

you should be able to go to school without death threats...

I agree. But if you get them, then the schools should do something about it. They didn't, ergo they failed.

This is straightforward easy enough for even you to understand.

You want to blame someone, then look at the 80+% Democrat public schools.

i see...so it's not the fault of the people sending death threats and starting facebook hate groups to hound a young man...it's the parents...it's the "Democrat public schools"...it's the liberals...wow...your logic is unimpeachable

Uh, you're the guy trying to pin it on "Republicans and evangelicals". So you fail that too.

The schools failed him. Others deserve blame, but it's incontrovertible that the schools failed him. If you are so concerned about this, why would you let that part slide? Hmmm.

i believe i've said i don't have all the answers...

(04-17-2012 02:08 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 01:35 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  show me a bunch of kids who have killed themselves over being bullied due to weight...their may be 1 or 2 over a year

http://www.bullyingstatistics.org/conten...icide.html

Over 14 percent of high school students have considered suicide, and almost 7 percent have attempted it.

Since gays are only 2% of the population, and 7% attempt suicide, then even if every gay was bullied to the point of suicidal thoughts, there would still be 2.5x as many non-gays.

Since every gay is not bullied, it's clear the problem is as prevalent among heterosexuals.

Quote:in 2010 6 gay kids killed themselves in 1 month due to bullying...one month

Prove that's the reason, and the only reason, to back up those numbers. Certainly it wasn't for the Rutgers kid. Just the opposite in fact.

Quote:it is a gay issue...brought on by hate spread by the GOP and evangelicals IMHO.

Once again, you'll have to provide some evidence. My bet is you won't, b/c you can't. You'll just continue with your hate, and pretend you're somehow more righteous.

This is very much along the lines of what I was thinking ... this is primarily a problem of young males, and I suspect that bullying and homosexual issues are superimposed on top of that, making the problem more prevalent amongst those who are gay or bullied or both.

Two of my friends (kids who had once been friends, but with whom I'd lost touch) committed suicide in the early 1980s. One was effeminate from a young age and it was clear he was or would be gay. The other had some mental problems that I probably should have talked to teachers about (his mother was dying of cancer when I knew him) and had been subject to some bullying.

IMHO, I think both religious and adult bias are complicit in the problem. But, it's hardly a new phenomenon introduced by the current fascination with gay marriage laws. It seems more likely to me that certain high profile media stories have changed far more than the underlying problems, in the absence of statistics to show otherwise.

All of that said, anything that can be done to reduce the numbers should be done, and addressing bullying at large is a good first step - addressing the bullying of kids based on the perception or reality that they're gay should also be done. But the bigger problem is that the biggest factor that puts you at risk of suicide is being a male between 15-25 or so.

(04-17-2012 04:07 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  i believe i've said i don't have all the answers...

Then why bring up a slander against Republicans and evangelicals?

You also are leaving something else out: even in places where gays are accepted, even celebrated (SF, P-town) the incidence of suicide is higher. You have a couple of primary choices for this:

1. External causes. Either the activity or the culture is destructive.

2. Internal causes. That gays' psychology makes them more prone to suicide.

(these aren't necessarily exclusive). If it's the latter then it may have nothing to do w/ bullying.

"Then why bring up a slander against Republicans and evangelicals?"

because the encourage an atmosphere of hate by opposing anti discriminatory policies in schools...see michele bachmann

(04-17-2012 04:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "Then why bring up a slander against Republicans and evangelicals?"

because the encourage an atmosphere of hate by opposing anti discriminatory policies in schools...see michele bachmann

Ah, you just wanted to give a bigoted rant.

There's always bullying. I was bullied myself, I know plenty of others who were as well. Every kind of bullying is different, whether it's because you're fat, gay, Muslim, or something else. Each kind has its own implications and its own impact on the victim's psychology. But it's obvious that the rate of bullying is much higher for gay teens. Bullying does cause suicides, regardless of what it's about.

What has been true is that Republicans and evangelicals for the most part aren't doing what they need to to combat this bullying of gay teens (and bullying in general). Michelle Bachmann's district is a good example. Their anti-gay policies have made for a much higher suicide rate and they seem to be in the midst of battles every day. And just because you commit suicide doesn't mean you can't cope with your problems. You have no idea how many problems these kids have to go through every single day. Sometimes one is just too much, be it the death threats or something else. Until you have a gay child, see what they go through, and understand them, you can't make that assessment. Think your problems are bad, take a second and think about these kids'. Living in a society where homophobia is rampant, civil rights aren't granted, and bullying is a major problem, life is hard. Some kids take to attempting suicide to make it all go away. There's other options. Support is needed, primarily at the school level because sometimes home might be the safest place and the easiest place to take their own lives.

(04-17-2012 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "Then why bring up a slander against Republicans and evangelicals?"

because the encourage an atmosphere of hate by opposing anti discriminatory policies in schools...see michele bachmann

Ah, you just wanted to give a bigoted rant.

whatever makes you feel better...

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  There's always bullying. I was bullied myself, I know plenty of others who were as well. Every kind of bullying is different, whether it's because you're fat, gay, Muslim, or something else. Each kind has its own implications and its own impact on the victim's psychology. But it's obvious that the rate of bullying is much higher for gay teens. Bullying does cause suicides, regardless of what it's about.

What has been true is that Republicans and evangelicals for the most part aren't doing what they need to to combat this bullying of gay teens (and bullying in general). Michelle Bachmann's district is a good example. Their anti-gay policies have made for a much higher suicide rate and they seem to be in the midst of battles every day. And just because you commit suicide doesn't mean you can't cope with your problems. You have no idea how many problems these kids have to go through every single day. Sometimes one is just too much, be it the death threats or something else. Until you have a gay child, see what they go through, and understand them, you can't make that assessment. Think your problems are bad, take a second and think about these kids'. Living in a society where homophobia is rampant, civil rights aren't granted, and bullying is a major problem, life is hard. Some kids take to attempting suicide to make it all go away. There's other options. Support is needed, primarily at the school level because sometimes home might be the safest place and the easiest place to take their own lives.

very well said...

(04-17-2012 03:34 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:12 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:14 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm angry at adults who encourage certain types of bullying.

yep, they want it to happen..."thins the herd" in their sick minds.

Sad, twisted, and sick individuals. Of course folks like smn1256 aren't going to give a rats ass if a gay kid kills himself. One less gay kid. Why would anybody think these type of scum would ever care? This is the kind of attitude that leads to deaths. I wish these kids would realize that the opinions of ignorant fools like smn1256 and his ilk don't matter in the slightest, but unfortunately at that age it's hard to wrap their heads around the fact that things do get better. It's a shame and a tragedy, but you have bitter people who are trying to prevent any assistance in this area because they want to be sure their kids have the right and freedom to bully gay kids with fairy tales and morality based on ancient myths. It's a screwed up world.

But it's changing... slowly. I think that's why some of these folks are so bitter and angry. They see their version of what life should be like, and what America should be like, slipping slowly but inexorably away. Gotta be a lot of grinding teeth out there in wingnut-land every time a new poll comes out showing a vast and growing majority of young people supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Their battle is lost.

The fools and haters are slowly being replaced - weeded out of the herd, if you will - and it can't happen soon enough.

And BTW, this is not a gay issue at all. It's a parenting issue and if you can't see that then you shouldn't be a parent because you're not qualified. Making it a gay issue is just another tactic you buffoons use when pushing an agenda. If this kid couldn't handle being teased then how is he going to handle the much harder things in life?

parenting advice from YOU? wow...

My kid aint dead fuk head

(04-17-2012 03:40 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:31 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 03:12 PM)wvucrazed Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:24 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 02:14 PM)Max Power Wrote:  I'm angry at adults who encourage certain types of bullying.

yep, they want it to happen..."thins the herd" in their sick minds.

Sad, twisted, and sick individuals. Of course folks like smn1256 aren't going to give a rats ass if a gay kid kills himself. One less gay kid. Why would anybody think these type of scum would ever care? This is the kind of attitude that leads to deaths. I wish these kids would realize that the opinions of ignorant fools like smn1256 and his ilk don't matter in the slightest, but unfortunately at that age it's hard to wrap their heads around the fact that things do get better. It's a shame and a tragedy, but you have bitter people who are trying to prevent any assistance in this area because they want to be sure their kids have the right and freedom to bully gay kids with fairy tales and morality based on ancient myths. It's a screwed up world.

But it's changing... slowly. I think that's why some of these folks are so bitter and angry. They see their version of what life should be like, and what America should be like, slipping slowly but inexorably away. Gotta be a lot of grinding teeth out there in wingnut-land every time a new poll comes out showing a vast and growing majority of young people supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Their battle is lost.

The fools and haters are slowly being replaced - weeded out of the herd, if you will - and it can't happen soon enough.

And BTW, this is not a gay issue at all. It's a parenting issue and if you can't see that then you shouldn't be a parent because you're not qualified. Making it a gay issue is just another tactic you buffoons use when pushing an agenda. If this kid couldn't handle being teased then how is he going to handle the much harder things in life?

Oh please, go f--- yourself. You are the LAST person who needs to be telling someone whether they are qualified or not to be a parent.

Says the person who would send his kid out into the world unprepared and then blame society for his failures.

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  There's always bullying. I was bullied myself, I know plenty of others who were as well. Every kind of bullying is different, whether it's because you're fat, gay, Muslim, or something else. Each kind has its own implications and its own impact on the victim's psychology. But it's obvious that the rate of bullying is much higher for gay teens. Bullying does cause suicides, regardless of what it's about.

What has been true is that Republicans and evangelicals for the most part aren't doing what they need to to combat this bullying of gay teens (and bullying in general). Michelle Bachmann's district is a good example. Their anti-gay policies have made for a much higher suicide rate and they seem to be in the midst of battles every day.

BS. You have no proof of this. Just more prejudice.

Quote:And just because you commit suicide doesn't mean you can't cope with your problems. You have no idea how many problems these kids have to go through every single day.

Tell that to UM, he's the one who slighted those being bullied.

Quote: Living in a society where homophobia is rampant,

More like "lying" is rampant.

Quote: civil rights aren't granted,

Really? How so? Try to be rational this time.

Quote:Support is needed, primarily at the school level because sometimes home might be the safest place and the easiest place to take their own lives.

Then explain why suicide rates are high where there is abundant support.

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "Then why bring up a slander against Republicans and evangelicals?"

because the encourage an atmosphere of hate by opposing anti discriminatory policies in schools...see michele bachmann

Ah, you just wanted to give a bigoted rant.

whatever makes you feel better...

Not really, lying bigots like you make me sick.

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  But it's obvious that the rate of bullying is much higher for gay teens. Bullying does cause suicides, regardless of what it's about.

Obvious? Obvious to who? Who's that actress that said while she was growing up she couldn't stand the torment and bullying she received because she was so good looking and it drove her to lonely isolation? F**King liberals..

(04-17-2012 04:59 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  But it's obvious that the rate of bullying is much higher for gay teens. Bullying does cause suicides, regardless of what it's about.

Obvious? Obvious to who? Who's that actress that said while she was growing up she couldn't stand the torment and bullying she received because she was so good looking and it drove her to lonely isolation? F**King liberals..

libs don't like facts. They like superstitions, prejudices and hate.

They'll be doing genocide in less than 20 years.

I have no sympathy for anyone who kills themselves regardless of the reason. People need to harden the **** up. There's nothing that can happen to you in life that warrants killing yourself. The only possible grey area is terminal illness. But bullying...please.

(04-17-2012 04:56 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)mtsufan561 Wrote:  There's always bullying. I was bullied myself, I know plenty of others who were as well. Every kind of bullying is different, whether it's because you're fat, gay, Muslim, or something else. Each kind has its own implications and its own impact on the victim's psychology. But it's obvious that the rate of bullying is much higher for gay teens. Bullying does cause suicides, regardless of what it's about.

What has been true is that Republicans and evangelicals for the most part aren't doing what they need to to combat this bullying of gay teens (and bullying in general). Michelle Bachmann's district is a good example. Their anti-gay policies have made for a much higher suicide rate and they seem to be in the midst of battles every day.

BS. You have no proof of this. Just more prejudice.

You sir, respectfully, are an idiot. Proof? I Googled it. This is what I found. http://motherjones.com/politics/2011/07/...en-suicide Didn't take a genius. And it's not bulls**t thank you very much. Nice to see you think that throwing out the "prejudice!" claims is acceptable when it's you doing it, not when (as posters here point out) liberals say "racist!". And, please, explain what about me saying that their policies are anti-gay is PREJUDICED. I hope you're not a homophobe.

Quote:

Quote:And just because you commit suicide doesn't mean you can't cope with your problems. You have no idea how many problems these kids have to go through every single day.

Tell that to UM, he's the one who slighted those being bullied.

By posting the article and captioning "why do we hate people for being themselves"? Seems like an anti-bullying comment to me.

Quote:

Quote: Living in a society where homophobia is rampant,

More like "lying" is rampant.

Comedian? Because if that post wasn't meant to be funny then it was incredibly stupid.

Quote:

Quote: civil rights aren't granted,

Really? How so? Try to be rational this time.

Where wasn't I rational, exactly? Let's see... only 14 states offer marriage or civil unions to same-sex couples. Only 21 states have banned discrimination in the workplace because of sexual orientation. 20 allow same-sex couples to adopt children. Need I go on?

Quote:

Quote:Support is needed, primarily at the school level because sometimes home might be the safest place and the easiest place to take their own lives.

Then explain why suicide rates are high where there is abundant support.

Just because there's support doesn't mean there's not bullying. Support doesn't automatically mean that suicide is stopped, but it sure as heck helps. This is one fight I wouldn't want anyone to get in with me. FYI.

And also: "They'll be doing genocide in less than 20 years." What? Where did that come from? lol, you're either trolling for laughs or that was really dumb.

(04-17-2012 05:25 PM)T-Monay820 Wrote:  I have no sympathy for anyone who kills themselves regardless of the reason. People need to harden the **** up. There's nothing that can happen to you in life that warrants killing yourself. The only possible grey area is terminal illness. But bullying...please.

:iagree:

(04-17-2012 04:57 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:37 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:28 PM)DrTorch Wrote:  

(04-17-2012 04:20 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  "Then why bring up a slander against Republicans and evangelicals?"

because the encourage an atmosphere of hate by opposing anti discriminatory policies in schools...see michele bachmann

Ah, you just wanted to give a bigoted rant.

whatever makes you feel better...

Not really, lying bigots like you make me sick.

good, i don't want bigoted conservatives to like me.

Hey libtards!!!

What worse allowing a kid to get bullied to the point where willingly chooses to kill himself or aborting him many years before he's able to make that choice?

F**king idiots you are.