There are major legal issues involved in the Big Ten kicking out Penn State. Penn State is a co-owner of the Big Ten network, which is a valuable piece of property. Do they continue to collect TV revenue distributions from BTN? Are their games still on BTN?

suspending Penn State is a different matter, and if the NCAA does it for them, the Big Ten doesn't have to make a decision at all.

(07-19-2012 12:14 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  If Penn State gets suspended, maybe Idaho or New Mexico State would get the nod for football only.

(07-19-2012 05:32 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  There are major legal issues involved in the Big Ten kicking out Penn State. Penn State is a co-owner of the Big Ten network, which is a valuable piece of property. Do they continue to collect TV revenue distributions from BTN? Are their games still on BTN?

suspending Penn State is a different matter, and if the NCAA does it for them, the Big Ten doesn't have to make a decision at all.

I'm sure that the other Big 10 members could easily buy Ped State out of their share of the BTN

Penn St isnt going anywhere. They wont be severely punished. They will be publically scolded. Repent thru the media, make a "donation" to some childrens charities and move on. Too much
$$$ is to be made by psu, the b10 and the ncaa for an appropriate punishment to be handed down. The public will forget, the program will recover and 5+ years from now, we'll be hearing about the "miraculous" turn around of the Penn State program. A real "feel good" story.
Meanwhile the rape victims will continue to struggle with what happened to them

(07-19-2012 08:20 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Penn St isnt going anywhere. They wont be severely punished. They will be publically scolded. Repent thru the media, make a "donation" to some childrens charities and move on. Too much
$$$ is to be made by psu, the b10 and the ncaa for an appropriate punishment to be handed down. The public will forget, the program will recover and 5+ years from now, we'll be hearing about the "miraculous" turn around of the Penn State program. A real "feel good" story.
Meanwhile the rape victims will continue to struggle with what happened to them

I tend to agree. This whole thread reminds me somewhat of Baylor basketball. It is now largely forgotten, and the Bears are the darlings of the Big 12. But they did get hit pretty hard at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_Univ...ll_scandal

I don't think Penn St gets booted out of the conference but will get suspended from the Big 10 f/b Conference championship game, bowl participation and forfeit a number of scholarships but these may just be duplications of sanctions that the NCAA may impose.

(07-19-2012 04:46 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(07-19-2012 03:52 PM)BewareThePhog Wrote:  While it's clear that many PSU alumni are still clinging as tightly as possible to the old perception of Paterno, ultimately there are very few men who are directly responsible for the reprehensible acts which occurred at PSU. (Admittedly, I may be missing something about what BOT members actually knew - what I've read suggests that they're just responsible for letting JoePa run the show, which was bad in its own right but doesn't necessarily indicate culpability in the Sandusky matters.)

If the surviving members of that group are all appropriately punished, the question is what is an appropriate institutional punishment. I can certainly see heavy sanctions being levied against the football program, but I am skeptical about the likelihood of expulsion from the B1G unless current PSU leadership shows an intractible attitude and an unwillingness to take meaningful steps.

How long would you give Penn State to take meaningful steps? What if their board's idea of meaningful steps is appointing a commission to study the matter for 18 months?

That's a fair question Wedge. I wish I had a good answer to that, as well as to having a clear definition of what steps they could take that would be of sufficient weight to be considered as "meaningful". I think it will all be further clouded by legal considerations.

I'm not a lawyer, so I'd be ill prepared to even hazard a guess as to what actions would be seen as an admission of guilt that would assist those seeking financial recompense from PSU, but I'm sure that aside from any moral blind spots their administration may have, they're also listening very closely to their legal counsel to find the appropriate level of public contrition that would have the least impact on the university. Those considerations would likely impact both the timeliness and the substance of any actions they would take.

I do also think that in terms of realignment/conference affiliation, it would be in the best interests of the NCAA to grant a waiver of any membership rules (such as the minimum number of schools in a conference needed for a CCG) that would be seen as impeding the B1G's ability to impose their own sanctions. I do think that ultimately it would likely be treated as they'd treat a school like OSU or USC that is ineligible for postseason play, and thus excluded from the conference championship game. They're not expelled from the league, they're just in the penalty box. In this case the offense and punishment may be greater, but it would likely not cause the NCAA to force the B1G's hand in terms of PSU's membership status.

Using Baylor is not a fair comparison. PSU will be in the media a heckeva lot longer than Baylor's situation, with a lot more victims. Is the BIG really willing to allow PSU to get their haouse in order when my feeling is that they will be a detriment to their ratings I have a hard time seeing them in the BIG after this year, especially if they are televised with Paterno's statue still standing. I can't imagine that will be a great draw for allumni money either "Well son (or daughter), how about PSU for college?"

(07-19-2012 10:37 PM)sierrajip Wrote:  Using Baylor is not a fair comparison. PSU will be in the media a heckeva lot longer than Baylor's situation, with a lot more victims. Is the BIG really willing to allow PSU to get their haouse in order when my feeling is that they will be a detriment to their ratings I have a hard time seeing them in the BIG after this year, especially if they are televised with Paterno's statue still standing. I can't imagine that will be a great draw for allumni money either "Well son (or daughter), how about PSU for college?"

What matters more than TV ratings is advertisers. Companies aren't going to want to advertize during Penn State games and have their brand associated with...well, Penn State.

(07-19-2012 10:45 AM)jaredf29 Wrote:  The Big 10 wont kick out PSU. They are the epitome of old guard.

They and Penn State are made for each other. As detailed by Wetzel, Spanier was one of the biggest hypocrites ever in college football and the big 10 is one of the most corrupt. At least the SEC is up front about their cheating.

(07-19-2012 09:24 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(07-19-2012 08:20 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Penn St isnt going anywhere. They wont be severely punished. They will be publically scolded. Repent thru the media, make a "donation" to some childrens charities and move on. Too much
$$$ is to be made by psu, the b10 and the ncaa for an appropriate punishment to be handed down. The public will forget, the program will recover and 5+ years from now, we'll be hearing about the "miraculous" turn around of the Penn State program. A real "feel good" story.
Meanwhile the rape victims will continue to struggle with what happened to them

I tend to agree. This whole thread reminds me somewhat of Baylor basketball. It is now largely forgotten, and the Bears are the darlings of the Big 12. But they did get hit pretty hard at the time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_Univ...ll_scandal

Baylor did not involve the President, AD and Head of campus security. The issue with Penn State is the culture. A culture that puts football above all else. A culture that still exists with students protecting the statue and record donations.

The only thing that would change the culture is a 5 year ban or expulsion from the big 10. Those things wont happen because the culture of the big is equally corrupt.

Baylor also didn't have pep rallies for Dave Bliss before every home football game, which Penn State will next year.

If all Penn State gets is banned from postseason play and loss of a few scholarships, then I'd prefer they don't get any penalty, b/c it seems ludicrous to penalize them something trivial like that for actively covering up child rape for 14 years.

They still don't get it. They finally convinced the ex-chair of the BoT to resign yesterday, b/c they are afraid of getting the death penalty, but none of the other 28 members of the BoT, who were there through those 14 years, have yet to resign.

One thing that is very interesting- just saw this on CBS Sports-
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...l/19633881

a pretty interesting point....
Big Ten refuted everything in the story that sparked this thread.... EXCEPT for booting Penn St.

This is NOT the kind of incident the B1G wanted as part of their history, and history is important in the B1G...

The B1G does not want any blemishes on its record, and this is a huge black eye for the conference. Kicking out Penn St. would make the B1G look really good in my opinion. It says that our member institutions will not stand for this, and we are not a conference just about football, but about academics, morals, and graduating individuals who will make a positive impact in the world.

(07-22-2012 08:48 PM)True Bearcat Wrote:  The B1G does not want any blemishes on its record, and this is a huge black eye for the conference. Kicking out Penn St. would make the B1G look really good in my opinion. It says that our member institutions will not stand for this, and we are not a conference just about football, but about academics, morals, and graduating individuals who will make a positive impact in the world.

Schools have been kicked out of conferences before because of improprieties so I don't see what the big deal is about kicking PSU out of the B1G.

I know PSU is an anchor of the B1G football conference but if the B12 can survive on the TV front by adding WVU/TCU I see no reason why the B1G can't just roll along smoothly by adding say Georgia Tech as a replacement.

PSU can hobble along in the FBS world like Army has for decades as an independent. Eventually Notre Dame and Penn State become a package deal to the B12 non-football with Texas and Oklahoma also playing independent.

I think that non conference discussions like the Penn State issue are big topics, but just wondering why it all gets cluttered here?

Not trying to start some argument - just asking.

It easily could have been realignment related if Penn St had gotten thrown out.

I'd guess after this calms down now, things will be back to normal arguing realignment items.....

There are a lot of regulars here, so we sometimes use the forum to venture "off topic," usually general interest college sports stuff. Threads unrelated to realignment, though, should be tagged "OT" (just like threads where somebody is just making an unsubstantiated guess should be tagged "Speculation").