(07-25-2012 09:46 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:26 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe I'm too white, straight, and all, but I'm not going to be bothered by an establishment's political stances if all I want from them is food.

Hell, I still like the Muppets, so maybe there's hope for me yet.

Admittedly, I might change my tune if some place says/does something that rings my personal offense bell, but so far, no dice.

The statement against gay marriage isn't what tom is worked up about, it's the support of groups which link gays to pedophilia and fund 'pray away the gay' type programs. I agree that the latter are pretty awful, and from a PR stance, they're going to and should take a hit.

I don't like to be told what to do with my money. I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with theirs.

Would I give these groups money? No.

I just like a good chicken sandwich.

I love Chick-fila, though I support getting the government out of marriage and letting gays get married if they want. This statement won't stop me from enjoying a good chicken sandwich. Who cares what their politics are? They're a freaking restaurant. Either you like the food or you don't. Why does everything have to be so damn political?

Chicken sandwiches are damn terrible. Yes I said that.

C-f-a will suffer nothing because of this. Their earnings won't suffer, their stores won't close. This liberal hissy fit over their stance is the epitome of full of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Sure people may say they'll stop going. Some will. But not enough to make a difference. And the militant gays like Tom will just have to move on to the next outrage, spending time and bandwidth on more insignificant pissing and moaning.

I hate Sean Penn, Sarandon, Robbins, etc. Still see some of their movies.

can't remember the last one though

(07-25-2012 09:46 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:26 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe I'm too white, straight, and all, but I'm not going to be bothered by an establishment's political stances if all I want from them is food.

Hell, I still like the Muppets, so maybe there's hope for me yet.

Admittedly, I might change my tune if some place says/does something that rings my personal offense bell, but so far, no dice.

The statement against gay marriage isn't what tom is worked up about, it's the support of groups which link gays to pedophilia and fund 'pray away the gay' type programs. I agree that the latter are pretty awful, and from a PR stance, they're going to and should take a hit.

I don't like to be told what to do with my money. I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with theirs.

Would I give these groups money? No.

I just like a good chicken sandwich.

I love Chick-fila, though I support getting the government out of marriage and letting gays get married if they want. This statement won't stop me from enjoying a good chicken sandwich. Who cares what their politics are? They're a freaking restaurant. Either you like the food or you don't. Why does everything have to be so damn political?

Ask the people who put politics into this in the first place...Chick-Fil-A. That being said, I'm not nearly as pissed off about them as others are in Gay community (usually the ones who get really pissed off are the ones who are surprised by this type of behavior). I've always been aware that CFA is a bigoted business. This doesn't surprise me at all.

This may not be your fight. Fine. Others will fight this. I actually have no intention of going to the protest next week at my local CFA (and I do go to protests - just think that holding a kiss-in is stupid and inflammatory). CFA won't go broke. But they aren't going to give millions to anti-Gay groups and continue to discriminate without being called out on it. They're going to have to own their own behavior.

While they are awful, they aren't any worse than Exxon, Meijer, Amway, etc. Or the CEO of Walmart (who at least has had the intelligence to not use company funds to pay for anti-Gay political donations AND quietly put in a binding non-discrimination clause in the Wal Mart employment contract).

(07-25-2012 09:52 PM)Paul M Wrote:  I hate Sean Penn, Sarandon, Robbins, etc. Still see some of their movies.

can't remember the last one though

I can't watch anything those fools do. You're a braver man than I.

(07-25-2012 09:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:46 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:26 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe I'm too white, straight, and all, but I'm not going to be bothered by an establishment's political stances if all I want from them is food.

Hell, I still like the Muppets, so maybe there's hope for me yet.

Admittedly, I might change my tune if some place says/does something that rings my personal offense bell, but so far, no dice.

The statement against gay marriage isn't what tom is worked up about, it's the support of groups which link gays to pedophilia and fund 'pray away the gay' type programs. I agree that the latter are pretty awful, and from a PR stance, they're going to and should take a hit.

I don't like to be told what to do with my money. I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with theirs.

Would I give these groups money? No.

I just like a good chicken sandwich.

I love Chick-fila, though I support getting the government out of marriage and letting gays get married if they want. This statement won't stop me from enjoying a good chicken sandwich. Who cares what their politics are? They're a freaking restaurant. Either you like the food or you don't. Why does everything have to be so damn political?

Ask the people who put politics into this in the first place...Chick-Fil-A. That being said, I'm not nearly as pissed off about them as others are in Gay community. I've always been aware that CFA is a bigoted business. This doesn't surprise me at all.

This may not be your fight. Fine. Others will fight this. CFA won't go broke. But they aren't going to give millions to anti-Gay groups and continue to discriminate without being called out on it.

While they are awful, they aren't any worse than Exxon, Meijer, Amway, etc. Or the CEO of Walmart (who at least has had the intelligence to not use company funds to pay for anti-Gay political donations AND quietly put in a binding non-discrimination clause in the Wal Mart employment contract).

Just as I expected....Go buy a Chik'n Buscuit in the morning.

(07-25-2012 09:57 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:46 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  The statement against gay marriage isn't what tom is worked up about, it's the support of groups which link gays to pedophilia and fund 'pray away the gay' type programs. I agree that the latter are pretty awful, and from a PR stance, they're going to and should take a hit.

I don't like to be told what to do with my money. I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with theirs.

Would I give these groups money? No.

I just like a good chicken sandwich.

I love Chick-fila, though I support getting the government out of marriage and letting gays get married if they want. This statement won't stop me from enjoying a good chicken sandwich. Who cares what their politics are? They're a freaking restaurant. Either you like the food or you don't. Why does everything have to be so damn political?

Ask the people who put politics into this in the first place...Chick-Fil-A. That being said, I'm not nearly as pissed off about them as others are in Gay community. I've always been aware that CFA is a bigoted business. This doesn't surprise me at all.

This may not be your fight. Fine. Others will fight this. CFA won't go broke. But they aren't going to give millions to anti-Gay groups and continue to discriminate without being called out on it.

While they are awful, they aren't any worse than Exxon, Meijer, Amway, etc. Or the CEO of Walmart (who at least has had the intelligence to not use company funds to pay for anti-Gay political donations AND quietly put in a binding non-discrimination clause in the Wal Mart employment contract).

Just as I expected....Go buy a Chik'n Buscuit in the morning.

Chick Fil A already has the Republican Southern Male Anti-Gay demographic patronizing their restaurants. In order to grow, they will need to appeal to others. This won't help them do so.

If I want a buttery chicken sandwich with nothing but 2 freakin pickles on it I'll go to McDonalds from now on. Will Chick Fil A care or even notice that I don't eat there? Nope. It's a matter of principle.

If Subway's CEO had said that religion is a mental disorder the right wouldn't be railing on about free speech. They would pitch a fit and protest.

(07-25-2012 10:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Chick Fil A already has the Republican Southern Male Anti-Gay demographic patronizing their restaurants. In order to grow, they will need to appeal to others. This won't help them do so.

Show me a northern state where a popular vote to allow gay marriage has passed?

This belief that once you get outside the south Christians disappear, well that's almost as foolish as your insistence that race or gender have anything to do with faith...

(07-25-2012 10:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Chick Fil A already has the Republican Southern Male Anti-Gay demographic patronizing their restaurants. In order to grow, they will need to appeal to others. This won't help them do so.

Show me a northern state where a popular vote to allow gay marriage has passed?

This belief that once you get outside the south Christians disappear, well that's almost as foolish as your insistence that race or gender have anything to do with faith...

Uh 48% voting for Gay marriage in the NE/WC vs 20pct in the Confederacy. Lots of people who support marriage equality won't care, but that shows a lot more support for Gay marriage. We will win in at least two states this time (MN and WA) and we may win in MD.

(07-25-2012 10:10 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  If I want a buttery chicken sandwich with nothing but 2 freakin pickles on it I'll go to McDonalds from now on. Will Chick Fil A care or even notice that I don't eat there? Nope. It's a matter of principle.

If Subway's CEO had said that religion is a mental disorder the right wouldn't be railing on about free speech. They would pitch a fit and protest.

"I support traditional marriage"
"Religion is a mental disorder"

Yep, just about the same.

(07-25-2012 09:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:46 PM)Jugnaut Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:32 PM)Smaug Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:29 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 09:26 PM)Smaug Wrote:  Maybe I'm too white, straight, and all, but I'm not going to be bothered by an establishment's political stances if all I want from them is food.

Hell, I still like the Muppets, so maybe there's hope for me yet.

Admittedly, I might change my tune if some place says/does something that rings my personal offense bell, but so far, no dice.

The statement against gay marriage isn't what tom is worked up about, it's the support of groups which link gays to pedophilia and fund 'pray away the gay' type programs. I agree that the latter are pretty awful, and from a PR stance, they're going to and should take a hit.

I don't like to be told what to do with my money. I'm not about to tell anyone what to do with theirs.

Would I give these groups money? No.

I just like a good chicken sandwich.

I love Chick-fila, though I support getting the government out of marriage and letting gays get married if they want. This statement won't stop me from enjoying a good chicken sandwich. Who cares what their politics are? They're a freaking restaurant. Either you like the food or you don't. Why does everything have to be so damn political?

Ask the people who put politics into this in the first place...Chick-Fil-A. That being said, I'm not nearly as pissed off about them as others are in Gay community (usually the ones who get really pissed off are the ones who are surprised by this type of behavior). I've always been aware that CFA is a bigoted business. This doesn't surprise me at all.

This may not be your fight. Fine. Others will fight this. I actually have no intention of going to the protest next week at my local CFA (and I do go to protests - just think that holding a kiss-in is stupid and inflammatory). CFA won't go broke. But they aren't going to give millions to anti-Gay groups and continue to discriminate without being called out on it. They're going to have to own their own behavior.

While they are awful, they aren't any worse than Exxon, Meijer, Amway, etc. Or the CEO of Walmart (who at least has had the intelligence to not use company funds to pay for anti-Gay political donations AND quietly put in a binding non-discrimination clause in the Wal Mart employment contract).

I fully support the right of anyone to boycott any business for any reason, and I fully support the right of any business to discriminate or be bigoted for any reason. That's what freedom's about. I don't see getting all worked up about it though. Chick-fila is opening christian and isn't going to change their view. I don't really care about their view, I'm not christian nor gay, I just like their food. If their food is unsanitary or they're physically harming or stealing from folks, then I'll stop going. Until then, I'll just ignore their beliefs and enjoy their food. I am southern though, don't hate on the south. It's a nice place, I wouldn't live any other place in the U.S. except maybe out west. NE, Chicago, and California all seem like liberal hell-holes lol

(07-25-2012 10:10 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  If I want a buttery chicken sandwich with nothing but 2 freakin pickles on it I'll go to McDonalds from now on. Will Chick Fil A care or even notice that I don't eat there? Nope. It's a matter of principle.

If Subway's CEO had said that religion is a mental disorder the right wouldn't be railing on about free speech. They would pitch a fit and protest.

Rosie odonnel said th US government caused 911 and the right simply laughed at her and the left made her a multi millionaire. Many celebs have made offensive statements and conservatives just consider them to be the fools they are. No fits, no protests.

(07-25-2012 10:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  "I support traditional marriage"
"Religion is a mental disorder"

Yep, just about the same.

That's not his only comment on gay marriage and he's donated large amounts of money to anti-gay groups. According to the right, giving money is speech as well.

(07-25-2012 10:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Rosie odonnel said th US government caused 911 and the right simply laughed at her and the left made her a multi millionaire. Many celebs have made offensive statements and conservatives just consider them to be the fools they are. No fits, no protests.

People did boycott the View because of Rosie http://www.sodahead.com/entertainment/ar...67/?page=2

http://www.hollywoodgrind.com/rosie-odon...t-website/

(07-25-2012 10:32 PM)BeliefBlazer Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:24 PM)Paul M Wrote:  "I support traditional marriage"
"Religion is a mental disorder"

Yep, just about the same.

That's not his only comment on gay marriage and he's donated large amounts of money to anti-gay groups. According to the right, giving money is speech as well.

Ok, let's kill the guy because his opinion is different than yours. Happy? Hopefully you differ with Obama some where and we can solve that problem the same way.

(07-25-2012 10:36 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  Ok, let's kill the guy because his opinion is different than yours. Happy? Hopefully you differ with Obama some where and we can solve that problem the same way.

Not buying chicken sandwiches won't kill the man.

(07-25-2012 10:24 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:17 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(07-25-2012 10:09 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Chick Fil A already has the Republican Southern Male Anti-Gay demographic patronizing their restaurants. In order to grow, they will need to appeal to others. This won't help them do so.

Show me a northern state where a popular vote to allow gay marriage has passed?

This belief that once you get outside the south Christians disappear, well that's almost as foolish as your insistence that race or gender have anything to do with faith...

Uh 48% voting for Gay marriage in the NE/WC vs 20pct in the Confederacy. Lots of people who support marriage equality won't care, but that shows a lot more support for Gay marriage. We will win in at least two states this time (MN and WA) and we may win in MD.

Uh 52% voting against Gay marriage in California, in the heat of hippy land.

(07-25-2012 09:53 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ask the people who put politics into this in the first place...Chick-Fil-A. That being said, I'm not nearly as pissed off about them as others are in Gay community (usually the ones who get really pissed off are the ones who are surprised by this type of behavior). I've always been aware that CFA is a bigoted business. This doesn't surprise me at all.

I don't even get the first statement Tom.. Because it was not them that put politics into this...

The CEO had an interview with a Baptist Newsletter, because, well, the CEO is a strong Christian believer. It was then that left/GLAADs that went balistic over the comments.

I found out many moons ago, when I happened to be in a mall and their food-outlets was closed, so I asked around and found out that fact.

You mean the GLAADers never paid attention til now??


Btw... I saw this story on Facebook earlier... (a Gizmodo story that had no FACTS to back up the story, but HEY, let's just go out and make MORE accusations and call people names while we can shall we?).

There seem to be a few common themes here

1. "But you're intolerant of Christianity while telling others to be tolerant." Obviously implicit in the call for tolerance is an exception allowing for intolerance of intolerance. Supporting tolerance doesn't mean looking the other way while Hitler gives a speech or the KKK burns a cross in a black man's yard. Now, I'm not saying the anti-gay fundamentalists are on par with Nazis and the KKK, because for the most part they're peaceful. However, it is hate speech, it does lead to bullying in schools and harassment and suicides and in rare cases, murders.

2. "But gays have more diseases." This is a reason why you should SUPPORT gay marriage. They're going to be having sex anyway (and you can't stop them--see Lawrence v Texas), so why not encourage that sex to be monogomous? Cutting down their number of partners to 1 goes a long way to stopping the spread of disease, and there's less chance they sleep with a bisexual man who could eventually pass it to you.

3. "I/the HFA CEO are just supporting traditional marriage." What a line of crap. First of all, you're not defending anything-- nobody is attacking straight marriage. Not even the most radical gays are trying to take that away from straights. Second, "traditional marriage" in the South was defined until recently as union between a white man and white woman. "Traditional marriage" in Mitt Romney's religion used to mean dozens of wives for one man. Even if you want to follow the Bible, there are some wacky passages requiring rapists to marry their rapees.

4. "But I like their chicken." Have you tried Wendy's? HFA isn't even that good. I tried it for the first time a few months ago on vacation and it wasn't anything special. Now if you're ever in the midwest try Culver's and Steak n Shake. If Culver's ever gave money to neo Nazis, I admit my decision would be a lot harder.