(12-09-2012 05:32 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  I have not and never would insult a member of the Big East conference. I am overjoyed that Memphis was invited to join the Big East.

Do you like playing thought police?

I don't think there's any thought police, so much as there are people that are just tired of realignment and want to talk about the Big East.

There is a conference realignment board for a reason. If someone wants to talk about their AD and President campaigning for another conference, that belongs on the realignment board. If someone is reading tealeaves and believes their new coaching hire is a sign they'll be going to such-n-such conference, feel free to alert the realignment board.

(12-09-2012 05:45 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 05:32 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  I have not and never would insult a member of the Big East conference. I am overjoyed that Memphis was invited to join the Big East.

Do you like playing thought police?

I don't think there's any thought police, so much as there are people that are just tired of realignment and want to talk about the Big East.

There is a conference realignment board for a reason. If someone wants to talk about their AD and President campaigning for another conference, that belongs on the realignment board.

Point taken.

(12-09-2012 05:15 PM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 05:01 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 04:51 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 04:22 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  If administrators aren't trying everything they can to move beyond the nBE they should be fired. Now the same goes if they don't try everything they can to make the nBE successful. But the nBE should not be considered a destination for those who want to play and compete at the highest levels.

The nBE will never become an elite conference, the pundits may be annoying but they're not going to give a CUSA heavy football conference elite status . . . ever. And honestly they shouldn't.

Not advocating that schools and fans shouldn't get up for their respective athletic schedules, but definitely not advocating blind allegiance to the nBE either. The conference has perceived and real constraints/challenges.

We'll see what the "value" of a nationwide conference will have, I just don't see it being that valuable. The nBE is just trying to be the very best of the bottom 5. That's a good goal, but it won't get you too much respect in the tear-free world of college athletics.

I don't think you get the point. There is a THRESHOLD to any position that is CREATED in those conferences currently positioned better monetarily than the Big East right now.
Only so many mythical spots (that don't exist right now).
You're mistaken if you don't think there should be relentless allegiance to the Big East right now. This is our vehicle.
I understand that you have your own opinion as to the value of our conference. That's fine.
And while the writers have their opinions as well, that doesn't have any bearing on what takes place on the field. Teams like Boise and the Big East are used to fighting the perception war. It's not a new scenario.

So before you talk about administrators being fired, you should really check to see what board you are on. Most of us realize that the odds of getting a Rutgers-type lottery ticket are remote. Many of us came far to get here (believe it or not). Damn straight that we - and our universities - are most concerned with the health of the Big East. We've already got a very good basketball conference and I fail to accept that there's a limit on our football potential. We're blazing new ground, and there's no reason why the Houston's can't keep beating the Penn States. We've done it before and all we can ask is a league that provides the opportunity to compete.

Not sure why you would ask him to check what but board this is? It is a forum for discussing the Big East, and that is what he is discussing.

IMO, it is difficult if not impossible to fully commit to an institution like the Big East when so much is changing.

Since some mods already know and for all posters that don't:

Above poster grabbed an account to look like a fan from a certain school...a school which is almost never EVER talks about....heck, he has NEVER even posted on the Memphis board...and after getting an account back in Sept...he never ever again posted till the end of Nov...when certain teams were LEAVING the Big East and Tulane and ECU were added.

Now, 95% or more of all his/her/its posts are negative about the conf & its members in every thread, regardless of topic.

Hopefully this board can clean up obvious accounts that are only there to throw out insults to members of this conf.

Thank you. That answers some things that weren't making sense to me.

(12-09-2012 05:01 PM)TigerFan444 Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 04:51 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(12-09-2012 04:22 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  If administrators aren't trying everything they can to move beyond the nBE they should be fired. Now the same goes if they don't try everything they can to make the nBE successful. But the nBE should not be considered a destination for those who want to play and compete at the highest levels.

The nBE will never become an elite conference, the pundits may be annoying but they're not going to give a CUSA heavy football conference elite status . . . ever. And honestly they shouldn't.

Not advocating that schools and fans shouldn't get up for their respective athletic schedules, but definitely not advocating blind allegiance to the nBE either. The conference has perceived and real constraints/challenges.

We'll see what the "value" of a nationwide conference will have, I just don't see it being that valuable. The nBE is just trying to be the very best of the bottom 5. That's a good goal, but it won't get you too much respect in the tear-free world of college athletics.

I don't think you get the point. There is a THRESHOLD to any position that is CREATED in those conferences currently positioned better monetarily than the Big East right now.
Only so many mythical spots (that don't exist right now).
You're mistaken if you don't think there should be relentless allegiance to the Big East right now. This is our vehicle.
I understand that you have your own opinion as to the value of our conference. That's fine.
And while the writers have their opinions as well, that doesn't have any bearing on what takes place on the field. Teams like Boise and the Big East are used to fighting the perception war. It's not a new scenario.

So before you talk about administrators being fired, you should really check to see what board you are on. Most of us realize that the odds of getting a Rutgers-type lottery ticket are remote. Many of us came far to get here (believe it or not). Damn straight that we - and our universities - are most concerned with the health of the Big East. We've already got a very good basketball conference and I fail to accept that there's a limit on our football potential. We're blazing new ground, and there's no reason why the Houston's can't keep beating the Penn States. We've done it before and all we can ask is a league that provides the opportunity to compete.

Not sure why you would ask him to check what but board this is? It is a forum for discussing the Big East, and that is what he is discussing.

IMO, it is difficult if not impossible to fully commit to an institution like the Big East when so much is changing.

Exactly, thank you TigerFan. Was my post critical? Yes, but certainly on topic.

Besides, I already pointed out that each school's administrators should do everything possible to make the nBE successful, while always looking to trade up if/when the opportunity arises. Their job is to position their respective institutions in the best position possible, and there are better positions than the nBE.

(12-09-2012 08:45 PM)Fireman451 Wrote:  Exactly, thank you TigerFan. Was my post critical? Yes, but certainly on topic.

Besides, I already pointed out that each school's administrators should do everything possible to make the nBE successful, while always looking to trade up if/when the opportunity arises. Their job is to position their respective institutions in the best position possible, and there are better positions than the nBE.

Actually, your post was incorrect. You stated that "the nBE is just trying to be the very best of the bottom 5" when it's clearly been established through poaching to be a cut above those other conferences.

The rhetoric is getting thick in here. I also disagree with your assertion that there is "no value" in being a nationwide conference. You can't have it both ways, and complain about being CUSA heavy, yet claim there's no value in bringing in Western programs like Boise. Boise State was hands down the gem in the latest realignment shuffle, IMO. Bar none.

You can throw around words like "respect" all you want, but if we continue to show up the ACC on the field, and put multiple programs in the rankings (perhaps placing some of our programs into the cfb final four) than respect will come.

We can just agree to disagree. One thing we should agree on is that any realignment discussion should be placed on the conference realignment board.

You're right, we'll agree to disagree. You see nothing but value and undeniable success for the conference, I don't. Too many "ifs" out there IMO.

Further, my discussion is appropriately posted on the Big East message board. Another issue we can disagree about.

(12-09-2012 09:37 PM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  Actually, your post was incorrect. You stated that "the nBE is just trying to be the very best of the bottom 5" when it's clearly been established through poaching to be a cut above those other conferences.

NBE is definitely trying to be one of the Big 6. I'd say it's not happening, but the NBE doesn't have to "try" to be the best of the bottom 5.

Quote:I also disagree with your assertion that there is "no value" in being a nationwide conference.

I don't see much value in being a nationwide conference, but since we're basically assembling the top programs not in a top 5 conference, that takes us around the country, so you almost have to make it a selling point.

Quote:You can't have it both ways, and complain about being CUSA heavy,

I'd say we're too C-USA heavy in that we dipped too far into C-USA. If we had scored 6 teams from the Big 12, I wouldn't be worried about it.

Quote:yet claim there's no value in bringing in Western programs like Boise. Boise State was hands down the gem in the latest realignment shuffle, IMO. Bar none.

I wouldn't call Boise the gem of the latest realignment (Nebraska and Texas A&M would have something to say about that) but it's the best program the Big East got, by far.

Quote:You can throw around words like "respect" all you want, but if we continue to show up the ACC on the field, and put multiple programs in the rankings (perhaps placing some of our programs into the cfb final four) than respect will come.

If we can pull that off, then yes. However, we're in the trap that the conference isn't respected, so if you lose you lost to a mediocre conference. If you run the table, "your competition was weak." Hard circle to break out of.

Quote:We can just agree to disagree. One thing we should agree on is that any realignment discussion should be placed on the conference realignment board.

I don't know if I agree. The fate of the Big East, and moves that affect that, are legitimate CSNBBS:BE topics, IMO.

(12-09-2012 11:47 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  NBE is definitely trying to be one of the Big 6. I'd say it's not happening, but the NBE doesn't have to "try" to be the best of the bottom 5.

LMAO



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