(12-18-2012 05:42 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  How many of you against UTSA actually watched the video I posted.

Why even explore UTSA? you are better off getting Nevada or New Mexico.

(12-18-2012 05:22 PM)cardinal_thunder Wrote:  Guys adding UTSA is a huge huge mistake. This does the conference no good having them invited. The conference needs a team like New Mexico or Nevada.

Why? What does Nevada and their 15,000 fans have that makes them better than UTSA? I thought the future was all about football?

Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

(12-18-2012 06:03 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:22 PM)cardinal_thunder Wrote:  Guys adding UTSA is a huge huge mistake. This does the conference no good having them invited. The conference needs a team like New Mexico or Nevada.

Why? What does Nevada and their 15,000 fans have that makes them better than UTSA? I thought the future was all about football?

Why doesn't the C7 add them bball only then?

I am trying to figure why ECU wants to be a full member. Is your basketball team any good? If it isn't you guys need to work on developing it to the level UNC, Duke, and NCSate have. I know there is a lot of talent in the Carolinas. No excuse for ECU not to have improved by then.

(12-18-2012 06:18 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

Why the hate? Why are you so confident that UT-San Antonio's attendance numbers will fall? What is your foundation for that argument?

When ECU came into Conference USA in 1997 after 20 years as an independent, ECU was averaging less than 30,000 people a game (29,264 in in 1998). Your numbers have claimed steadily ever since (with a brief dip 2003-05 because of poor season) . . .

There is every reason to believe that if you elevate UTSA to the Big East with the money being poured into the program, a professional stadium, a national champion head coach like Larry Coker, and a community/South Texas region literally starved for college/professional football (and a huge, young, transient military community) . . . it is reasonable to believe UT-San Antonio will put up 40,000-plus averages and sustain it for the foreseeable future . . .

(12-18-2012 06:18 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

UTSA is bringing in big time OOC games every year to include 4-5 Big 12 and Pac 12 teams. Look at their OOC schedule. Those will bring in big numbers.

(12-18-2012 06:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 06:18 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

UTSA is bringing in big time OOC games every year to include 4-5 Big 12 and Pac 12 teams. Look at their OOC schedule. Those will bring in big numbers.

Until you've watched a game in the Alamo Dome with 40,000-plus fans, you just can't "get it" . . . 40,000 fans in the Alamo Dome is like 80,000 fans at an SEC game . . . it is the noisiest stadium I've ever been in . . . when UTSA gets to the point where they fill it with 50,000-plus fans (whatever conference they are in) . . . it will be one of the most dynamic college venues anywhere . . . UTSA was going to be a $100 million stadium on campus, but everyone would rather play in the dome within walking distance of the Riverwalk . . . put UT-San Antonio in the Big XII, and they put 65,000 fans in the stands ever game from now on . . . whether they win or not . . . San Antonio and South Texas just want college football, because they gave up on getting a professional team when Tom Benson didn't move the Saints to San Antonio after Katrina. . .

(12-18-2012 07:02 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 06:54 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 06:18 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

UTSA is bringing in big time OOC games every year to include 4-5 Big 12 and Pac 12 teams. Look at their OOC schedule. Those will bring in big numbers.

Until you've watched a game in the Alamo Dome with 40,000-plus fans, you just can't "get it" . . . 40,000 fans in the Alamo Dome is like 80,000 fans at an SEC game . . . it is the noisiest stadium I've ever been in . . . when UTSA gets to the point where they fill it with 50,000-plus fans (whatever conference they are in) . . . it will be one of the most dynamic college venues anywhere . . . UTSA was going to be a $100 million stadium on campus, but everyone would rather play in the dome within walking distance of the Riverwalk . . . put UT-San Antonio in the Big XII, and they put 65,000 fans in the stands ever game from now on . . . whether they win or not . . . San Antonio and South Texas just want college football, because they gave up on getting a professional team when Tom Benson didn't move the Saints to San Antonio after Katrina. . .

The big question mark was would a college team that wasn't the Longhorns draw support. And I think we have an answer.

(12-18-2012 05:50 PM)PEO16 Wrote:  But the BE should let those teams develop in C-USA and then call them up as needed.

Those days of calling up teams from CUSA are about to come to a sreeching halt!!!

(12-18-2012 07:12 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:50 PM)PEO16 Wrote:  But the BE should let those teams develop in C-USA and then call them up as needed.

Those days of calling up teams from CUSA are about to come to a sreeching halt!!!

UT-San Antonio hasn't played a down in Conference USA . . . they play in the WAC, where Fresno State played until this 2012 season . . .

(12-18-2012 07:17 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 07:12 PM)BamaScorpio69 Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:50 PM)PEO16 Wrote:  But the BE should let those teams develop in C-USA and then call them up as needed.

Those days of calling up teams from CUSA are about to come to a sreeching halt!!!

UT-San Antonio hasn't played a down in Conference USA . . . they play in the WAC, where Fresno State played until this 2012 season . . .

Same difference, but more importantly, if they are the hot **** you say they are then they will still be hot **** in five years and no one will argue with you about adding them. Until then, they are a shiny penny, nothing more.

(12-18-2012 05:40 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:21 PM)monty Wrote:  Old Dominion is an unranked, read tier 3, National University - I thought the strategy was align with powerful eastern universities?

Again, I know your poking fun, but so we're clear here, you're cherry picking statements out of context:

1. I think Old Dominion is a possibility now as a basketball add (Olympic sports) to go with a football-only western school . . . combined with the fact that because their arch rival is VCU, you might get both;

2. I don't think Old Dominion is a possibility for football now for a lot of reasons . . . not the least of which is they only have a 19,800-seat stadium. . . I do think they are a possibility down the road in 5-10 years if their football team continues to sustain success, they increase their attendance average, and they expand their stadium; and

3. the statement about powerful (your word, not mine) "eastern universities" was in reference to what happens when Boise State, SDSU, UConn, and Cincinnati have left . . . if Old Dominioin is not in the conference at that time, it is not a school I likely would add unless their football just really explodes by then because it does not bring academic standing (AAU, Carnegie Tier 1, etc.) and are not a large, public urban research institution.

I'm not trying to poke fun (well, not completely) I'm just trying to understand the rubric to grade these teams, because it just seems to be a bunch of random schools where the only concern is how close to the Atlantic (bonus points for being in Virginia) they are whether they are prominent in academics or athletics or not.

(12-18-2012 06:18 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

Must be nice to own a crystal ball...

(12-18-2012 07:30 PM)monty Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:40 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:21 PM)monty Wrote:  Old Dominion is an unranked, read tier 3, National University - I thought the strategy was align with powerful eastern universities?

Again, I know your poking fun, but so we're clear here, you're cherry picking statements out of context:

1. I think Old Dominion is a possibility now as a basketball add (Olympic sports) to go with a football-only western school . . . combined with the fact that because their arch rival is VCU, you might get both;

2. I don't think Old Dominion is a possibility for football now for a lot of reasons . . . not the least of which is they only have a 19,800-seat stadium. . . I do think they are a possibility down the road in 5-10 years if their football team continues to sustain success, they increase their attendance average, and they expand their stadium; and

3. the statement about powerful (your word, not mine) "eastern universities" was in reference to what happens when Boise State, SDSU, UConn, and Cincinnati have left . . . if Old Dominioin is not in the conference at that time, it is not a school I likely would add unless their football just really explodes by then because it does not bring academic standing (AAU, Carnegie Tier 1, etc.) and are not a large, public urban research institution.

I'm not trying to poke fun (well, not completely) I'm just trying to understand the rubric to grade these teams, because it just seems to be a bunch of random schools where the only concern is how close to the Atlantic (bonus points for being in Virginia) they are whether they are prominent in academics or athletics or not.

Huh? The rubric is that Old Dominion and VCU would be solid basketball additions in the right geographic footprint that the Big East would be lucky to have to fill in for a likely Fresno State football add . . . ODU football . . . they have made nice run in FCS football this year . . . but not a fit now; maybe in a few years . . .

(12-18-2012 06:18 PM)PGPirate Wrote:  Why do people NOT understand that USTA is still a novelty in SA? Outside of them putting up 9-10 win seasons, AND bringing in good OOC games, their attendance WILL fall.

How in the hell are two seasons any indication on long-term support? I don't understand at all. Actually I can't believe this conversation is occurring.

Even though the numbers are impressive, there's another side to those numbers.

During an 8 win season in 2012, USTA's attendance dropped a little over 7K from 2011 levels, which demonstrates your point. That's with the novelty still existing.

28K average attendance in a program's second year is impressive. However, Tulane, SMU, Memphis, etc have all taken grief over their attendance, but with a former national championship head coach and 8 wins, each of those programs would be playing before full or near full houses and not before 28K.

UTSA may be the perfect addition to the surviving conference in 3-6 years, but not at this time.

(12-18-2012 08:24 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 07:30 PM)monty Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:40 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:21 PM)monty Wrote:  Old Dominion is an unranked, read tier 3, National University - I thought the strategy was align with powerful eastern universities?

Again, I know your poking fun, but so we're clear here, you're cherry picking statements out of context:

1. I think Old Dominion is a possibility now as a basketball add (Olympic sports) to go with a football-only western school . . . combined with the fact that because their arch rival is VCU, you might get both;

2. I don't think Old Dominion is a possibility for football now for a lot of reasons . . . not the least of which is they only have a 19,800-seat stadium. . . I do think they are a possibility down the road in 5-10 years if their football team continues to sustain success, they increase their attendance average, and they expand their stadium; and

3. the statement about powerful (your word, not mine) "eastern universities" was in reference to what happens when Boise State, SDSU, UConn, and Cincinnati have left . . . if Old Dominioin is not in the conference at that time, it is not a school I likely would add unless their football just really explodes by then because it does not bring academic standing (AAU, Carnegie Tier 1, etc.) and are not a large, public urban research institution.

I'm not trying to poke fun (well, not completely) I'm just trying to understand the rubric to grade these teams, because it just seems to be a bunch of random schools where the only concern is how close to the Atlantic (bonus points for being in Virginia) they are whether they are prominent in academics or athletics or not.

Huh? The rubric is that Old Dominion and VCU would be solid basketball additions in the right geographic footprint that the Big East would be lucky to have to fill in for a likely Fresno State football add . . . ODU football . . . they have made nice run in FCS football this year . . . but not a fit now; maybe in a few years . . .

Are you Britton Banowsky?

(12-18-2012 06:42 PM)cardinal_thunder Wrote:  I am trying to figure why ECU wants to be a full member. Is your basketball team any good? If it isn't you guys need to work on developing it to the level UNC, Duke, and NCSate have. I know there is a lot of talent in the Carolinas. No excuse for ECU not to have improved by then.

you'll need to develop to reach UNC and Duke status yourself. The 'Ville is an elite program but those 2 are bluebloods. Pretty tough task for anyone.........

(12-18-2012 08:24 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 07:30 PM)monty Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:40 PM)UHCougar Wrote:  

(12-18-2012 05:21 PM)monty Wrote:  Old Dominion is an unranked, read tier 3, National University - I thought the strategy was align with powerful eastern universities?

Again, I know your poking fun, but so we're clear here, you're cherry picking statements out of context:

1. I think Old Dominion is a possibility now as a basketball add (Olympic sports) to go with a football-only western school . . . combined with the fact that because their arch rival is VCU, you might get both;

2. I don't think Old Dominion is a possibility for football now for a lot of reasons . . . not the least of which is they only have a 19,800-seat stadium. . . I do think they are a possibility down the road in 5-10 years if their football team continues to sustain success, they increase their attendance average, and they expand their stadium; and

3. the statement about powerful (your word, not mine) "eastern universities" was in reference to what happens when Boise State, SDSU, UConn, and Cincinnati have left . . . if Old Dominioin is not in the conference at that time, it is not a school I likely would add unless their football just really explodes by then because it does not bring academic standing (AAU, Carnegie Tier 1, etc.) and are not a large, public urban research institution.

I'm not trying to poke fun (well, not completely) I'm just trying to understand the rubric to grade these teams, because it just seems to be a bunch of random schools where the only concern is how close to the Atlantic (bonus points for being in Virginia) they are whether they are prominent in academics or athletics or not.

Huh? The rubric is that Old Dominion and VCU would be solid basketball additions in the right geographic footprint that the Big East would be lucky to have to fill in for a likely Fresno State football add . . . ODU football . . . they have made nice run in FCS football this year . . . but not a fit now; maybe in a few years . . .

Niether Old Dominion or UTSA is going anywhere. If they are successful, they will be a prime future target should a team be poached from the Big East. Until then, let them develop in a feeder conference. There will be plenty of time to add them in the future if they develop into something special.

(12-18-2012 10:07 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Niether Old Dominion or UTSA is going anywhere. If they are successful, they will be a prime future target should a team be poached from the Big East. Until then, let them develop in a feeder conference. There will be plenty of time to add them in the future if they develop into something special.

Hey, somebody gets it!