(12-21-2012 01:13 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 12:28 PM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 11:51 AM)OUGwave Wrote:  I would like to see UNLV added all sports (and everyone else too). However, I think some one here are dramatically underselling the value that a FB-only invite to UNLV would bring the nBE. Because numbering your arguments in no way makes one a d*****...

1) Football performance is the most elastic variable and should not be the first or even second consideration, imo. As a Tulane fan, I can tell you that a run of a few good years on the field can rapidly fall apart with a few bad coaching hires. OTOH, teams can come out of some decades-long droughts to have some football success (Cincy, SMU, SDSU are great examples of this). I don't think UNLV will be down forever. As long as there is commitment, they will be competitive at some point.

2) Their market is ginormous and growing incredibly fast. It is a town that does like sports (and sports gaming, lets be honest). It also has NO pro football, and likely never will.

3) Their market contains a huge number of what's left of the MWC television sets. The MWC will have then lost Las Vegas, San Diego, DFW, Fresno, Salt Lake (Utes), as well as their two most marketable programs in BYU and Boise, all since their last tv contract. They will be left with Laramie, San Jose, Honolulu, Colorado Springs, Ft Collins, Albuquerque, Logan, and Reno. That's just not enough to sustain them. Creating distance between ourselves and the MWC will only help the BE.

4) Brand. They may not have great football, but their basketball program demonstrates that when the football team wins, it will already have name recognition and a base of support to grow into (and grow from).

Yes, they'd be best for all sports, but they do offer a lot of potential on the football side as well.

If I'm the MWC and you want them for football only, I'd frigging waive the exit fees and gift wrap them for you.

1. Football performance may be elastic but theirs has been consistently bad for more than 20 years. Like not in the top 110 of FBS.

2. Their market is not ginormous. Their DMA includes 95% of their local fan base -- and their DMA is not all that big.

3. Same thing stated in a different way -- they do not have a huge number of television sets.

4. Band is strong for basketball but that doesn't necessarily translate to football. They have a very high transient population -- people who aren't there for long and never develop loyalty to the school.

Most of their large crowds are a result of opponent fan bases. Wisky came there a couple of years ago and as I recall, many of their fans bought season tickets because it was the only way to get tickets to that one game. You can imagine what happened to the rest of the tickets.

And that is one good thing about Vegas. They are a destination city. Good for basketball tourney and a bowl, cheap place to travel to, etc. But I don't see how that transitions into conference income.

Yoda out...

I think you're being a little too flip about their potential as a football market. Clark County is a massive population center in a fast growing state that currently has no BCS programs. You're very much looking at this at where UNLV football is right now, not where they might be in ten years. Let me put it this way: if there football program went on a Boise-like rise, their ceiling is significantly higher that Boise due to market size, and location. We would be foolish not to take a flier on UNLV football because the potential payoff is big.

Also, remember that If UNLV accepts a FB only invite, the nBE may not be getting UNLV hoops, but the MW is still losing them. Any FB only addition by us is an all sports loss for the MW. I definitely don't think your league would just thank us for taking the FB off your hands and laugh.

Ultimately I don't think UNLV will take a FB offer, but you're being way too dismissive based on their current football situation.

Their AD said in a interview the past couple of days that they had no interest in a football only affiliation. So, if we are talking to them, it's for all sports and that would mean an attempt is likely being made to form a western all sports group. That's me reading between some very squiggly lines.

BYU wants to be relevant and being damn near ineligible for a BCS bowl is not relevant and doesn't allow them the venue to promote the faith. I think that they will join a conference so as to gain access provided that the money doesn't kill them. And it won't if the MWC allows them to keep their existing television contract.

They probably would have stayed in the first place if they would have let them do that.

Yoda out...

No way the nBE signs with ESPN though

(12-21-2012 03:30 PM)Comet Wrote:  No way the nBE signs with ESPN though

ESPN could be part of the deal, but there is no way we sign all of rihts to ESPN. They simply dont have space for our product. We would end up on ESPN3 all the time. We will end up on multiple networks.

(12-21-2012 03:30 PM)Comet Wrote:  No way the nBE signs with ESPN though

If we want to keep UConn and Cincy we will. If we try and go to another network ESPN will just find a way to screw us even more and get ACC to take both to kill the value even worse. We aren't getting a big deal anyway so might as well take whatever ESPN is willing to pay and call it a done deal.

(12-21-2012 03:36 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:30 PM)Comet Wrote:  No way the nBE signs with ESPN though

If we want to keep UConn and Cincy we will. If we try and go to another network ESPN will just find a way to screw us even more and get ACC to take both to kill the value even worse. We aren't getting a big deal anyway so might as well take whatever ESPN is willing to pay and call it a done deal.

Hmm, think I'll beat the rush and place you on ignore now.

(12-21-2012 03:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:30 PM)Comet Wrote:  No way the nBE signs with ESPN though

ESPN could be part of the deal, but there is no way we sign all of rihts to ESPN. They simply dont have space for our product. We would end up on ESPN3 all the time. We will end up on multiple networks.

After how ESPN has talked about the BE they would look like a fool to sign them. I have never really heard a network go so far out of the way to trash teams/conf. Even when BSU was in the WAC and everyone knew the WAC sucked they never outright said it. They would gloss over it saying "they play great offense out there" or some other BS. Been really eye opening to hear what espn says about the BE.

(12-21-2012 03:00 PM)Yoda Wrote:  BYU wants to be relevant and being damn near ineligible for a BCS bowl is not relevant and doesn't allow them the venue to promote the faith. I think that they will join a conference so as to gain access provided that the money doesn't kill them. And it won't if the MWC allows them to keep their existing television contract.

They probably would have stayed in the first place if they would have let them do that.

Yoda out...

BYU does want to be relevant, but you'll find very few fans and even fewer in school leadership that believe GOF membership improves their relevance significantly over independence - if at all. The perception at other schools might be different, but I'm just sharing what the belief at BYU is.

(12-21-2012 03:53 PM)shoganai Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:00 PM)Yoda Wrote:  BYU wants to be relevant and being damn near ineligible for a BCS bowl is not relevant and doesn't allow them the venue to promote the faith. I think that they will join a conference so as to gain access provided that the money doesn't kill them. And it won't if the MWC allows them to keep their existing television contract.

They probably would have stayed in the first place if they would have let them do that.

Yoda out...

BYU does want to be relevant, but you'll find very few fans and even fewer in school leadership that believe GOF membership improves their relevance significantly over independence - if at all. The perception at other schools might be different, but I'm just sharing what the belief at BYU is.

This is true. Once Utah got invited to the P12 it was not an option for BYU to stay in a non AQ conf. There is wide debate on how much $ they make with their ESPN games but it lets the fans think they are keeping up with the Jonses.

(12-21-2012 03:44 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  ... the BE they would look like a fool...

It's a little late to be worrying about that.

(12-21-2012 04:22 PM)Steve509 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:44 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  ... the BE they would look like a fool...

It's a little late to be worrying about that.

It is laughable at this point to even make that statement. After BE raid the MWC, does MWC look like a fool?

(12-21-2012 04:22 PM)Steve509 Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:44 PM)EDLUVAR Wrote:  ... the BE they would look like a fool...

It's a little late to be worrying about that.

Yeah it would be like saying how fat and ugly a girl is and then going out with her. I don't think ESPN is in play for the BE.

(12-21-2012 04:25 PM)SF Husky Wrote:  It is laughable at this point to even make that statement. After BE raid the MWC, does MWC look like a fool?

We would if we were in the middle of raiding you at the time.

Regardless of which conference prevails, I wish this was over. I just want Fresno, San Diego, Boise and BYU to be in the same division of the same conference. And I couldn't give a rip which one it is. My loyalty is to my school, not my conference.

Yoda out...

(12-21-2012 04:59 PM)Yoda Wrote:  Regardless of which conference prevails, I wish this was over. I just want Fresno, San Diego, Boise and BYU to be in the same division of the same conference. And I couldn't give a rip which one it is. My loyalty is to my school, not my conference.

That I would agree with.

(12-21-2012 05:05 PM)BSUFiend Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 04:59 PM)Yoda Wrote:  Regardless of which conference prevails, I wish this was over. I just want Fresno, San Diego, Boise and BYU to be in the same division of the same conference. And I couldn't give a rip which one it is. My loyalty is to my school, not my conference.

That I would agree with.

Truth.

(12-21-2012 03:43 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:36 PM)Mtown_Tiger Wrote:  

(12-21-2012 03:30 PM)Comet Wrote:  No way the nBE signs with ESPN though

If we want to keep UConn and Cincy we will. If we try and go to another network ESPN will just find a way to screw us even more and get ACC to take both to kill the value even worse. We aren't getting a big deal anyway so might as well take whatever ESPN is willing to pay and call it a done deal.

Hmm, think I'll beat the rush and place you on ignore now.

Good call. WTH is up w/ all these fake Tiger fan trolls popping up in here all of a sudden?