(01-23-2013 06:18 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  I suppose you can accuse that the NYT times was in on it too...although it seems unlikely...but hey...don't let that stop you...

The simplest thing is to conclude that the NYT is wrong. Much like you are, repeatedly. You keep pushing this notion, even though it has been proven wrong repeatedly, and by several means, since it happened.

That's why you're a fool tommy.

(01-24-2013 05:36 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  She's right. Why does it matter what their motivation to to kill was? They killed and we need to prevent that.

Yeah, I probably wouldn't want to talk about my biggest professional failure (one that got people killed), either, if I could avoid it.

I hope she runs for President and wins the Primary. We should all cheer her on, and play the same game the Democrats did with Mitt Romney.

To dance with the Devil, you have to learn his moves.

(01-24-2013 08:11 AM)Jerry Falwell Wrote:  I hope she runs for President and wins the Primary. We should all cheer her on, and play the same game the Democrats did with Mitt Romney.

To dance with the Devil, you have to learn his moves.

Need better MSM coverage of issues.

This was ignored and misrepresented by the media as it happened right at election time. Still made no difference. 4 years later, will make even less difference.

Hillary is old, she's not the biggest player for 2016.

But aside from that, the GOP needs to find and nurture its own candidates. I don't think that's happening. I'm not sure there will ever be another Ronald Reagan from the GOP.

(01-24-2013 05:36 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  She's right. Why does it matter what their motivation to to kill was? They killed and we need to prevent that.

Are you f'n serious?

Well, it may not matter much NOW, but given all the chest thumping about Al Qaeda being on the run at the DNC, it might have had election implications, which, I think, was the motivation behind the bull**** story to begin with.

Why it does matter is because apparently there were several request for increased security that were turned down or ignored. Saying it was a spontaneous demonstration deflects the issue as not being related to the request for more security which is a failure under her and PBO's leadership.

(01-24-2013 07:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It matters because someone very high up in the state department or white house made the choice to willfully lie to the American public.

Or they didn't.

Why don't you tell me the motivation for the attack? It's been months now...let's see your evidence of their exact motive?

I know of four people that it would matter to....if they were around to tell us.

(01-24-2013 11:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It matters because someone very high up in the state department or white house made the choice to willfully lie to the American public.

Or they didn't.

Why don't you tell me the motivation for the attack? It's been months now...let's see your evidence of their exact motive?

Death to you, me and anyone else that do not believe the way they believe.

(01-24-2013 11:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It matters because someone very high up in the state department or white house made the choice to willfully lie to the American public.

Or they didn't.

Why don't you tell me the motivation for the attack? It's been months now...let's see your evidence of their exact motive?

Same reason those bastards always attack us. We're not just like them.

(01-24-2013 11:42 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 11:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It matters because someone very high up in the state department or white house made the choice to willfully lie to the American public.

Or they didn't.

Why don't you tell me the motivation for the attack? It's been months now...let's see your evidence of their exact motive?

Death to you, me and anyone else that do not believe the way they believe.

Sounds like the Republican motto.

(01-24-2013 11:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It matters because someone very high up in the state department or white house made the choice to willfully lie to the American public.

Or they didn't.

Why don't you tell me the motivation for the attack? It's been months now...let's see your evidence of their exact motive?

I'm not in any position to speculate about the motivation, beyond what it talked about in the media. From reports all across the MSM and Fox it was apparent to the Lybian government and intelligence within hours that it was not the result of the video. Beyond that, the administration eventually caved and did everything but call it a terrorist attack.

The fact that you question me, an ordinary citizen with no ties to the incident, no government position or means to uncover any motive yet refuse to question what is unarguably an extremely weak excuse that has been backtracked by the administration just proves what a blind sheep you are. Why do you demand evidence from someone that cannot provide it, yet do not want the same from those that can easily provide an explination of their changing story?

(01-24-2013 08:21 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 05:36 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  She's right. Why does it matter what their motivation to to kill was? They killed and we need to prevent that.

Are you f'n serious?

Somebody breaks into your house and steals all your sh1t. Do you care that they did it because: 1.) they knew you weren't home during the day 2.) they knew you have nice stuff 3.) they don't like you as a person 4.) their parents didn't love them 5.) they have a drug problem? No. All you care about is preventing it from happening again not what they were thinking. Also, perhaps finding out who did it so you can get your stuff back.

Sorry...but you missed the point entirely. The point is that even today, we still don't know the motivation for the attack...other than that they hate us.

Again...as of mid-October, the NYT was still standing by their reporting that the video played a role.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/14...62397.html

(01-24-2013 12:16 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Somebody breaks into your house and steals all your sh1t. Do you care that they did it because: 1.) they knew you weren't home during the day 2.) they knew you have nice stuff 3.) they don't like you as a person 4.) their parents didn't love them 5.) they have a drug problem? No. All you care about is preventing it from happening again not what they were thinking. Also, perhaps finding out who did it so you can get your stuff back.

straw man.

(01-24-2013 12:16 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 08:21 AM)Rebel Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 05:36 AM)firmbizzle Wrote:  She's right. Why does it matter what their motivation to to kill was? They killed and we need to prevent that.

Are you f'n serious?

Somebody breaks into your house and steals all your sh1t. Do you care that they did it because: 1.) they knew you weren't home during the day 2.) they knew you have nice stuff 3.) they don't like you as a person 4.) their parents didn't love them 5.) they have a drug problem? No. All you care about is preventing it from happening again not what they were thinking. Also, perhaps finding out who did it so you can get your stuff back.

Not even close to the same thing. Replace you little scenario with someone murdering a family member. I'm willing to be the word "why?" comes out of your mouth at some point.

You're missing the point completely though. The fact that the administration chose to go with the video story and present no evidence to back it up is the real problem. We are supposed to believe that this spontaneous reaction to the video happened to fall on 9/11 even though the video had been online for months?

(01-24-2013 12:30 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 12:16 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  Somebody breaks into your house and steals all your sh1t. Do you care that they did it because: 1.) they knew you weren't home during the day 2.) they knew you have nice stuff 3.) they don't like you as a person 4.) their parents didn't love them 5.) they have a drug problem? No. All you care about is preventing it from happening again not what they were thinking. Also, perhaps finding out who did it so you can get your stuff back.

Not even close to the same thing. Replace you little scenario with someone murdering a family member. I'm willing to be the word "why?" comes out of your mouth at some point.

You're missing the point completely though. The fact that the administration chose to go with the video story and present no evidence to back it up is the real problem. We are supposed to believe that this spontaneous reaction to the video happened to fall on 9/11 even though the video had been online for months?

Firmbizzle gets the point. He is just baiting you...

Well, considering some opinions that it doesn't matter....guess we should not have cared why 9/11 happened.
Just build stronger buildings, take your shoes off before getting on an airplane.

Not knowing, or not being concerned as to why someone does something means that we cannot find or get to the base of the operation.
We know that if someone breaks into your home and steals something, it is normally motivated in them wanting money or property.
We know basically that they all want us dead. But what faction attacked us, why there, why on 9/11, .....all this helps us find the entire group, and helps us prevent future attacks.

(01-24-2013 11:19 AM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(01-24-2013 07:21 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  It matters because someone very high up in the state department or white house made the choice to willfully lie to the American public.

Or they didn't.
Why don't you tell me the motivation for the attack? It's been months now...let's see your evidence of their exact motive?

Don't you think that's an unfair question to ask someone who is not privy to the intel briefings and other information avaialable to a Secretary of State?

Do you have any credible argument that it is NOT an appropriate question to ask a Secretary of State or anyone else who DOES have access to such information?