(02-08-2013 06:15 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'm sure we can find some Louisville fans that are already too good for the ACC.

Not really. When Dr. Ramsey took over as president he made it a goal for the university to join the ACC. After the Big East fell apart it was clear we had outgrown the teams coming in and the teams left over.

(02-07-2013 11:45 PM)Love and Honor Wrote:  If you go by history instead of recent performance, Miami has to be up there on the list. For football, there's fifteen MAC titles, the 20th highest winning percentage all time in DI football, 7-3 record in bowl games, a number of ranked finishes, plenty of famous playing alumni, and of course the Cradle of Coaches. Basketball has most NCAA tourney appearances in the MAC (17) and four Sweet Sixteens as well. We have hockey thriving right now too, but that is irrelevant in this discussion.

Unfortunately, our basketball peaked in the nineties as hockey overtook it in popularity, and Haywood's 2010 season is the only thing we've done since Hoeppner left for IU in 2004. Now we're just another MAC school with second-rate facilities, the smallest enrollment in our conference, one of the smaller fan bases of the non-AQ schools, and probably one of the smallest "markets" in major college athletics.

I'd agree that historically Miami would be on this list. But the MAC in general (and Miami in particular) has fallen off the map in the last 10 years. It's pretty sad, because most of those schools have been playing D-1 sports for a century or more.

(02-08-2013 03:13 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:54 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:42 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 08:59 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 02:00 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  Once again deserve is a strong word because teams like Cincy, UConn, and Miami would be a joke of a match up to most elite teams. I feel like if you can't compete with the elite programs regularly you don't deserve anything.

Could is a possibility but to say UConn football deserves more than ECU football is stupid.

What your's definition of competiing with the elite programs regularly? I would think we would all agree that Ohio State is an elite program yet they are 0-9* all time against the SEC in bowl games. If we apply your strict standards OSU would not be deserving. Likewise, how many bowl wins does Notre Dame have in the past 20 years? How many were against so-called elite opponents? Again by your standards they do not belong. I have not even begun to go into the huge blocks of schools in better conferences that struggle to get to 6-7 wins on any given year or the bottom feeders that annually finish with 3-4 wins or less (you know who they are). By your standards there would be 2 teams in the ACC, 4 in the B10, 5 in the SEC, 2 in the B12, and 1-2 in the PAC12.


* The Arky win was vacated.

I said compete and when I watched Ohio State play in those games they may have not won but in most they did COMPETE. Watching Cincy play in half of those games would be like watching Troy play Alabama. You guys would get blown out most times because you simply are not even in the same league as them in terms of talent.

And your correct most of the teams in the power five don't DESERVE to be there. They were just in the right place at the right time like try and seriously bring up a case as to why Iowa State deserves to be in the Big 12 more than Boise does.

And Notre Dame isn't even in a conference so I'm not sure what bringing them into a discussion about deserving to be in better conferences does....But on the topic of them you had to have been one huge fan boy to even think ND belonged in that game.

You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Yes- UC got blown out by Florida 51-24 with no head coach and a skeleton coaching staff. A couple years prior, OSU lost to Florida 41-14 (same margin of victory). UC lost in the Orange Bowl to Virignia Tech 20-7. Ohio State lost to LSU 38-24 (actually a larger margin of victory). In the past several years UC has beaten Oregon State twice (one year 34-3 when they finished 3rd in the PAC), Illinois, beat NC State by 30, Duke, Vandy and not to mention conference opponents WVU (twice in the past four years), Pitt (four out of five), etc. In 2010 the worst UC team in nearly a decade was a muffed punt away on the two yeard line with two minutes in the game from beating Oklahoma (final score 31-29). UC has been very competitive on a national level. They're not Alabama, LSU, Ohio State, Texas, USC and Oregon, but then again 99% of the teams are not either.

I'm sorry but is UC the first team to go into a bowl game after losing it's coach? I don't think so and he knew it was going to end like that, that's why he bolted. UC is a great team a lot of programs would love to be in the position. Your making something out of nothing because all I was stating is that UC DOES NOT DESERVE anything. UC has not been winning bcs bowls, national titles, pulling in top 25 recruiting classes, or finishing in the top 10 on a consistent basis.

By that standard there's only about 5 programs in the country deserve anything. Alabama, Florida, and.... actually I'm struggling to think of a 3rd. Ohio State, ND, and Oklahoma get blown out too much in bowl games to count, USC and Penn State cheated their way to the top, and the last time Texas was in the top-10 was when nobodies like Cincinnati were in the top-10. I guess the rest of us peons should drop down to D-2.

And for your information, yes, Cincinnati is the only program that has lost our coach and then had to play a bowl game against the defending national champions (who returned their whole team). And yes, we have had a top-25 recruiting class, a top-10 finish, 5 top-25 finishes in the last 6 years, and too many wins over ranked teams to remember them all.


It's really funny to hear a Troy fan taking smack, and then trying to hide behind the accomplishments of the Tide to back up their position.

Deserve is relative.

There are very few schools in the Power Conferences that bring little to nothing to their conference and would be kicked out ASAP if they were allowed. IOW, if you go through each conference and ask yourself "who in this conference brings no markets not already covered, no excellence in any sport and no boost to our academic reputation?"

I can honestly only think of about 3 that meet that criteria and even then, of those 3 you can at least make the case for them that they are occasionally (if not consistently) a force in their conference in one of the Big 4 (Football, Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball & Baseball)

(02-09-2013 12:18 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 06:15 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  I'm sure we can find some Louisville fans that are already too good for the ACC.

Not really. When Dr. Ramsey took over as president he made it a goal for the university to join the ACC. After the Big East fell apart it was clear we had outgrown the teams coming in and the teams left over.

Good points. "outgrown" is a great way of putting it. All kidding aside I really admire UL for going from Indy FB+MVC, to Indy+Metro, to CUSA all sports power, to Big East power to ACC. That's a hell of a path. Your fans have done A LOT on their own to get there.

(02-08-2013 10:22 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 09:27 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  Ok first throw away that stupid market crap, city size.
What I want you to list here is the schools that have a great history in
Basketball or Football and are being left behind because of Market size
or politics. LIST THE LEFT OUT SCHOOLS

Hell if you were just organizing conferences today , and went just by market
size half the schools in the SEC would be members of Cusa.

Ok here are my first two that deserve much better.

WESTERN KENTUCKY

SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI

Ohio made sweet 16 men's big dance 2012 won MAC men's hoops title 2 of the last 3 years, 13 men's hoops tourney appearances and MAC East Football champ 2011.

NIU- MAC West title winner last 3 years, won back 2 back MAC football titles. Men's Soccer titles 06,11

Kent State Baseball 2012 College World Series, won 4 of the last 5 MAC Baseball titles, 2012 MAC East Champion. Men's Golf 09,10 & 11, 5 Men' s Hoops Tourney Appearances, Final 8 appearance in 02.

Akron MAC Men's hoops titles in 09 & 11 , Men's Soccer National Champion 10, Men's Soccer Titles 02,04,05,07,08,09,10 runner up in 11. Men's Indoor & Outdoor Track Champions 11, Men's Indoor Track Champ 2012, Outdoor Track Champion 08 &09

Careful Ohio won the tournament not the MAC (important distinction) those two years, for instance last year they were 3rd in the MAC but won the tournament to go to the NCAA. It has been a while since Ohio won the MAC.

Kent State also won the MAC in basketball in 2002, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2011 though they did not win the tournament each of those years. Recently the wrestling program has been very good with top 25 finishes and won the MAC in 2003 and 2009 with a national champion in Dustin Kilgore. Not that it matters but the womens golf team has won the MAC every year that it has existed.

Evidence now clearly points to the C-7. Pick any of those schools and you'll have the #1 team for this poll.

(02-10-2013 08:43 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:22 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 09:27 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  Ok first throw away that stupid market crap, city size.
What I want you to list here is the schools that have a great history in
Basketball or Football and are being left behind because of Market size
or politics. LIST THE LEFT OUT SCHOOLS

Hell if you were just organizing conferences today , and went just by market
size half the schools in the SEC would be members of Cusa.

Ok here are my first two that deserve much better.

WESTERN KENTUCKY

SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI

Ohio made sweet 16 men's big dance 2012 won MAC men's hoops title 2 of the last 3 years, 13 men's hoops tourney appearances and MAC East Football champ 2011.

NIU- MAC West title winner last 3 years, won back 2 back MAC football titles. Men's Soccer titles 06,11

Kent State Baseball 2012 College World Series, won 4 of the last 5 MAC Baseball titles, 2012 MAC East Champion. Men's Golf 09,10 & 11, 5 Men' s Hoops Tourney Appearances, Final 8 appearance in 02.

Akron MAC Men's hoops titles in 09 & 11 , Men's Soccer National Champion 10, Men's Soccer Titles 02,04,05,07,08,09,10 runner up in 11. Men's Indoor & Outdoor Track Champions 11, Men's Indoor Track Champ 2012, Outdoor Track Champion 08 &09

Careful Ohio won the tournament not the MAC (important distinction) those two years, for instance last year they were 3rd in the MAC but won the tournament to go to the NCAA. It has been a while since Ohio won the MAC.

Kent State also won the MAC in basketball in 2002, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2011 though they did not win the tournament each of those years. Recently the wrestling program has been very good with top 25 finishes and won the MAC in 2003 and 2009 with a national champion in Dustin Kilgore. Not that it matters but the womens golf team has won the MAC every year that it has existed.

Winning the MAC is about as much as winning peewee league in basketball. that is the number one reason that WKU is in the SBC....Suck Belt used to be a decent basketball league....

Stephen F Austin is WORLD's better than the Southland Conference, at least in men's basketball.

(02-11-2013 07:32 PM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 08:43 PM)Sultan of Euphonistan Wrote:  

(02-08-2013 10:22 PM)Poliicious Wrote:  

(02-07-2013 09:27 PM)David Krumudgen Wrote:  Ok first throw away that stupid market crap, city size.
What I want you to list here is the schools that have a great history in
Basketball or Football and are being left behind because of Market size
or politics. LIST THE LEFT OUT SCHOOLS

Hell if you were just organizing conferences today , and went just by market
size half the schools in the SEC would be members of Cusa.

Ok here are my first two that deserve much better.

WESTERN KENTUCKY

SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI

Ohio made sweet 16 men's big dance 2012 won MAC men's hoops title 2 of the last 3 years, 13 men's hoops tourney appearances and MAC East Football champ 2011.

NIU- MAC West title winner last 3 years, won back 2 back MAC football titles. Men's Soccer titles 06,11

Kent State Baseball 2012 College World Series, won 4 of the last 5 MAC Baseball titles, 2012 MAC East Champion. Men's Golf 09,10 & 11, 5 Men' s Hoops Tourney Appearances, Final 8 appearance in 02.

Akron MAC Men's hoops titles in 09 & 11 , Men's Soccer National Champion 10, Men's Soccer Titles 02,04,05,07,08,09,10 runner up in 11. Men's Indoor & Outdoor Track Champions 11, Men's Indoor Track Champ 2012, Outdoor Track Champion 08 &09

Careful Ohio won the tournament not the MAC (important distinction) those two years, for instance last year they were 3rd in the MAC but won the tournament to go to the NCAA. It has been a while since Ohio won the MAC.

Kent State also won the MAC in basketball in 2002, 2006, 2008, 2010, and 2011 though they did not win the tournament each of those years. Recently the wrestling program has been very good with top 25 finishes and won the MAC in 2003 and 2009 with a national champion in Dustin Kilgore. Not that it matters but the womens golf team has won the MAC every year that it has existed.

Winning the MAC is about as much as winning peewee league in basketball. that is the number one reason that WKU is in the SBC....Suck Belt used to be a decent basketball league....

That is some revisionist history you are in the Sun Belt because the MAC said no to WKU and took Temple football only instead and back when the Belt was a better basketball so was the MAC. Remember the MAC used to be a multiple bid league and had some quality basketball teams.