(03-07-2013 07:55 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  USM sources saying no one on their end is interested is pretty self serving.

I don't know what "sources" he has in Hattiesburg, but they are not true sources to what the administration wants, thinks, or envisions for USM athletics. And that I know with 100% certainty. There is no point to say anything more then that.

(03-07-2013 09:20 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 07:39 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 06:40 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:55 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  As if Navy will ever have a season good enough for the backroom committee to invite them to the seeded plus one they call a playoff.

Navy has a very successful football program and a lot to be proud of.


I have no ideas who the 12th will be, but I would certainly welcome Tulsa or USM as great additions while the A-12 tries to build something.

My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move. From what I see from potential, that it will be greater in C-USA
because of the fact that none of the new schools have the baggage attached to them that the old ones do, so growth from them will be much quicker. The new league looks to be a much tougher basketball league from top to bottom, and will go from a 1 to 2 bid league to a 2 to 4 bid league immediately.

I've been saying this was a possibility all along. Athletically, and academically, we're on par with the American 12. Our market problem is no worse than Tulane's performance problem, Boise's piss-poor location, or Tulsa's minuscule enrollment. I don't know anything about sources, but it wouldn't surprise me if lack of interest on USM's part has played a role in how all of this has turned out. The recent hiring of a realignment consultant may reflect Dr. Bennett's desire to revisit this decision. If USM's lack of interest was for financial reasons, I think that was misguided. There is money to be had in the American 12. But there may have been other things that played into it. I don't know.

If it was for financial reasons, and it partially will be, it is a brilliant move not to go. Who needs to pay a large sum of money to keep the status quo?. In three or four years the defectors will be saying...."I could have had a V8!!!"

I don't think the payment to enter will be that much.

I also have to question how you can say "better in basketball", when the dominant team is leaving. Or better in football, when former conference champions are leaving, not to mention that some of the new teams haven't played football at this level before.

This is almost just silly---because I don't think an invite is out for USM anyway.
I guess we will see if Tulsa goes for it.

(03-07-2013 09:43 PM)MasMack Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 07:55 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  USM sources saying no one on their end is interested is pretty self serving.

I don't know what "sources" he has in Hattiesburg, but they are not true sources to what the administration wants, thinks, or envisions for USM athletics. And that I know with 100% certainty. There is no point to say anything more then that.

If I were commissioner,mid have already invited USM.

Given enough money--USM could explode.

I am not sure where Masmack gets his Sources, sounds like the End Zone Bar. My come from the horses mouth. We will see, because the Big East ain't in our calendar of interest. 100% sure on that also.

This thread is the equivalent of the lexicon at the Dollar General checkout counter.....jfc.....after trying to process this thread, I'm ditching the sativa and going for that single malt special blend of Billy Beer....wow...

(03-07-2013 09:57 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I am not sure where Masmack gets his Sources, sounds like the End Zone Bar. My come from the horses mouth. We will see, because the Big East ain't in our calendar of interest. 100% sure on that also.

I have not heard the opinion of our new President, Dr. Bennett. I have heard directly from our AD what he thinks. Now that was a few weeks ago, maybe that has changed. Lets just say what I heard was also based on the economics of what a move would cost to be in CUSA2. If those economics have changed, maybe his opinion has changed.

"I am 100% sure that we would"

"Stick it. I know for a fact that we would not!"

"Suck on this! My sources are 100% certain we would!"

"Blow me! your sources are the suxxor! My sources say there is absolutely no way"

"my sources could kick your sources ass, phagboy "



and people wonder why no one believes anything they read on the Internet.

(03-07-2013 10:35 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 09:57 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  I am not sure where Masmack gets his Sources, sounds like the End Zone Bar. My come from the horses mouth. We will see, because the Big East ain't in our calendar of interest. 100% sure on that also.

I have not heard the opinion of our new President, Dr. Bennett. I have heard directly from our AD what he thinks. Now that was a few weeks ago, maybe that has changed. Lets just say what I heard was also based on the economics of what a move would cost to be in CUSA2. If those economics have changed, maybe his opinion has changed.

Remember.....when a President of University applies for another job and other university tells that President he will not get the job.. Well, the first thing he does is pull their name for consideration......in other word, "He is not interested." If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck .....it is a duck. What school including USM would not wanted to be with his former schools and not with a bunch of old or newies who have never won a championship or played at a lower level or never played football before plus increasing funding 2x to 3x times the monies.......please.

I will wait to see what is what before I change my mind about America 12 (not a name I really care for) because frankly there are too many questions about it I have that are yet to make me feel it is worth a move. Right now I think USM is better served to stay where we are. The name alone makes me feel like they are saying we are back to the future. We are C-USA done again which we left to improve our status and yet here we are basically just coming back to the beginning again. I hope USM doesn't accept anything less than a guaranteed etched in stone deal if we should get an invitation because I really think it is not worth the move otherwise. Nothing against the conference, and most of the teams in it we have had relationships with that were good, but I think it is just more of what we have and maybe in a short time not as good. I just don't like the idea of moving on such an iffy proposition.

(03-07-2013 11:47 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I will wait to see what is what before I change my mind about America 12 (not a name I really care for) because frankly there are too many questions about it I have that are yet to make me feel it is worth a move. Right now I think USM is better served to stay where we are. The name alone makes me feel like they are saying we are back to the future. We are C-USA done again which we left to improve our status and yet here we are basically just coming back to the beginning again. I hope USM doesn't accept anything less than a guaranteed etched in stone deal if we should get an invitation because I really think it is not worth the move otherwise. Nothing against the conference, and most of the teams in it we have had relationships with that were good, but I think it is just more of what we have and maybe in a short time not as good. I just don't like the idea of moving on such an iffy proposition.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

(03-07-2013 05:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  I would prefer Southern Miss to Tulsa. Tulsa is a great school, I just think Southern Miss brings more of a rivalry than Tulsa. From what I gather on this board however, is that most USM fans and their AD, would turn down an invite to the A-12 very quickly.

They are wrong, USM would not.

(03-07-2013 05:12 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  USM can't afford to just start jumping conferences

Sure we can, just depends on the amount of jumps and the conference.

(03-07-2013 07:55 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  USM sources saying no one on their end is interested is pretty self serving.

They must not be very good sources.

(03-07-2013 09:43 PM)MasMack Wrote:  I don't know what "sources" he has in Hattiesburg, but they are not true sources to what the administration wants, thinks, or envisions for USM athletics. And that I know with 100% certainty. There is no point to say anything more then that.

M&M is right, hell there was article posted just a few days ago about how our A.D. is having USM evaluated so it knows where it stands and what it needs to do to move up. Too many USM posters are letting their personal feelings regarding the America 12 Conference affect them and are talking out of their ass.

(03-08-2013 03:11 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 05:06 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  I would prefer Southern Miss to Tulsa. Tulsa is a great school, I just think Southern Miss brings more of a rivalry than Tulsa. From what I gather on this board however, is that most USM fans and their AD, would turn down an invite to the A-12 very quickly.

They are wrong, USM would not.

(03-07-2013 05:12 PM)techdawg88 Wrote:  USM can't afford to just start jumping conferences

(03-07-2013 07:55 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  USM sources saying no one on their end is interested is pretty self serving.

They must not be very good sources.

(03-07-2013 09:43 PM)MasMack Wrote:  I don't know what "sources" he has in Hattiesburg, but they are not true sources to what the administration wants, thinks, or envisions for USM athletics. And that I know with 100% certainty. There is no point to say anything more then that.

M&M is right, hell there was article posted just a few days ago about how our A.D. is having USM evaluated so it knows where it stands and what it needs to do to move up. Too many USM posters are letting their personal feelings regarding the America 12 Conference affect them and are talking out of their ass.

I understand Hammond has recently said he wouldn't accept an invitation at this point. Now we do have this assessment deal that will go on and if we get an invitation to join them it would certainly be examined by the company and they would look critically at the conference to see if it can give USM enough to justify a move. I would think USM would only make the move it is contains solid guarantees that would be iron-clad due to the recent problems of this conference that is going to pay less than was expected, and who has to build a new name. It is going to be a rough time for them to make enough of a name to be considered much if any above C-USA and if they go with America 12 then they will be thought of as just another division of C-USA. I don't see how that would be much of advantage and how would you maintain a money advantage on TV money when C-USA renews it's deal. It is just not a good time for USM to make this move and I think the assessment will probably bear it out.

Any program that's extended an invitation has to take a serious look at the financials and the programs that it wants to be associated with.

After all of this hoopla, I'm not sure what the new entry fee situation will be, but it couldn't possibly be 2.5 million. If the fee is waived or compensated for the current incoming programs as it appears to be happening, there has to be a new definition of "entry fee." Now that the exit fee has been clarified a little better, perhaps it's not as restrictive as initially thought. So the cost to move shouldn't be 9 million, but closer to 2-3 million(?).

I think that it's pretty safe to say that the core of the new conference in the long term will be 7-8 programs with 6 coming from CUSA, Temple, and possibly 1 of UC/USF. I simply can't see many other options for those 7-8 programs despite some saber rattling from a few. Perhaps there's something that I don't see, but I just don't currently see the B12 inviting any of those programs.

Will the financial fit?
What programs does a university want to be associated with in the future?

(03-07-2013 11:47 PM)SgtGoldenEagle Wrote:  I will wait to see what is what before I change my mind about America 12 (not a name I really care for) because frankly there are too many questions about it I have that are yet to make me feel it is worth a move. Right now I think USM is better served to stay where we are. The name alone makes me feel like they are saying we are back to the future. We are C-USA done again which we left to improve our status and yet here we are basically just coming back to the beginning again. I hope USM doesn't accept anything less than a guaranteed etched in stone deal if we should get an invitation because I really think it is not worth the move otherwise. Nothing against the conference, and most of the teams in it we have had relationships with that were good, but I think it is just more of what we have and maybe in a short time not as good. I just don't like the idea of moving on such an iffy proposition.

Agreed, and that is what is happening. We WILL NOT spend money for an obvious lateral move. Brilliant strategy as we are trying to get out of a monstrous hole or previous AD left us in.

(03-08-2013 08:07 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Agreed, and that is what is happening. We WILL NOT spend money for an obvious lateral move. Brilliant strategy as we are trying to get out of a monstrous hole or previous AD left us in.

Monstrous?


Hardly

(03-08-2013 08:12 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:07 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Agreed, and that is what is happening. We WILL NOT spend money for an obvious lateral move. Brilliant strategy as we are trying to get out of a monstrous hole or previous AD left us in.

Monstrous?


Hardly

The only monstrous hole is in our schedule, under the heading "teams people have actually heard of."

(03-07-2013 09:13 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.

Kronke, just keep believing that little pipe dream that you guys have. You have already been proven fools for your venture. We will see who comes out of this smelling like a rose in the end. We will be instantly a better basketball league than we are now, and football is probably just as good now and in three years will be much better. Good luck, you will certainly need it. Come back over in three years and we will have this discussion again, if you hadn't gone off the deep end by then.

The A12 just hauled in $100 million for doing nothing. How anyone can miss the fact that this is (was?) a huge opportunity is beyond me. Entrance fees, exit fees... at the end of the day those schools just have more fans and more alumni, play better ball, and make more money. You don't need to add up any figures to determine that. The good news is that Dr. Bennett seems to have walked right in and realized his AD needed help getting us out of a terrible situation.

(03-08-2013 08:22 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:12 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:07 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Agreed, and that is what is happening. We WILL NOT spend money for an obvious lateral move. Brilliant strategy as we are trying to get out of a monstrous hole or previous AD left us in.

Monstrous?


Hardly

The only monstrous hole is in our schedule, under the heading "teams people have actually heard of."

....like UCF, USF, Marshall etc.....things change as time keeps ticking...we are hardly in a position of strength

(03-08-2013 08:30 AM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 09:13 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 07:46 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-07-2013 06:46 PM)nastybunch Wrote:  My sources in Hattiesburg tell me Southern Miss is not interested in this lateral move.

Cool story bro.

We'll just take someone else, then, and you and your FCS buddies can take the $200k/school you'll get whenever it comes time to renegotiate your TV deal.

Then you and your "sources" can sit down together and figure out (not if but) which programs USM needs to drop to balance their athletic program's budget.

Kronke, just keep believing that little pipe dream that you guys have. You have already been proven fools for your venture. We will see who comes out of this smelling like a rose in the end. We will be instantly a better basketball league than we are now, and football is probably just as good now and in three years will be much better. Good luck, you will certainly need it. Come back over in three years and we will have this discussion again, if you hadn't gone off the deep end by then.

The A12 just hauled in $100 million for doing nothing. How anyone can miss the fact that this is (was?) a huge opportunity is beyond me. Entrance fees, exit fees... at the end of the day those schools just have more fans and more alumni, play better ball, and make more money. You don't need to add up any figures to determine that. The good news is that Dr. Bennett seems to have walked right in and realized his AD needed help getting us out of a terrible situation.

Yes, it is great for the three old Big east members who will get this, and give a few scraps to the new ones. In the meanwhile, the old CUSA members will divide up the exit fees from the defectors that will be much larger than the scraps the defectors will get. How long are you going to look like a fool and keep up the Hammond bashing?

(03-08-2013 08:12 AM)Big Dub Wrote:  

(03-08-2013 08:07 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  Agreed, and that is what is happening. We WILL NOT spend money for an obvious lateral move. Brilliant strategy as we are trying to get out of a monstrous hole our previous AD left us in.

Monstrous?


Hardly