(05-17-2013 03:31 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 02:22 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  In an interview a few months ago, the Commissioner of the Big XII made the statement that while they had no immediate interest in expanding, it was obvious that if they did they wouldn't look at any school who did not have at least a 50,000 stadium AND bring enough value to the revenue stream that would not reduce the amount of revenue to the existing members.

The only candidates who fit that criteria as to a stadium are ECU, Memphis, BYU, UC if they play conference games at the NFL stadium possibly USF (I am not sure of the capacity), UTEP (yes the Sun Bowl) and Houston and Tulane if they use the NFL stadiums. However, I can imagine that Tulane would have to go begging back to the Superdome since they left it.

Now for the really big criterion, and the one that we all know is really the most important: VALUE. Only Memphis (with the BB credits that might come); BYU with the national reputation/following and UC (market) have a chance. When you factor in the new SOS which means having good FB, it puts BYU and UC at the top, and when you factor in Texas Politics it slaps UH and UTEP. My money would say UC, BYU, Memphis and then longshot USF and ECU.

However, if the Big XII makes a couple of NC games with the current format, I think they won't go to 12.

This makes no sense. Memphis is value? Few fans, horrible football and basketball well below UConn and Cinci. Market wise UConn's is bigger than Cinci and much bigger than Memphis. BYU brings a lot, but also is a royal pain in the neck. Otherwise they'd already be in the league.

Cinci is the best geographic partner for WVU and has good programs in multiple sports. The Florida schools add little to the Big 12, which does not have a network. They need bigger brand names than those. Houston and SMU are in markets they carry already with the other TX teams. None of the four are anywhere close to WVU. Cinci UConn and ECU are the only ones that help WVU, and ECU is not getting a Big 12 invite. Hell, they barely got an AAC invite.

(05-17-2013 04:17 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 03:31 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 02:22 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  In an interview a few months ago, the Commissioner of the Big XII made the statement that while they had no immediate interest in expanding, it was obvious that if they did they wouldn't look at any school who did not have at least a 50,000 stadium AND bring enough value to the revenue stream that would not reduce the amount of revenue to the existing members.

The only candidates who fit that criteria as to a stadium are ECU, Memphis, BYU, UC if they play conference games at the NFL stadium possibly USF (I am not sure of the capacity), UTEP (yes the Sun Bowl) and Houston and Tulane if they use the NFL stadiums. However, I can imagine that Tulane would have to go begging back to the Superdome since they left it.

Now for the really big criterion, and the one that we all know is really the most important: VALUE. Only Memphis (with the BB credits that might come); BYU with the national reputation/following and UC (market) have a chance. When you factor in the new SOS which means having good FB, it puts BYU and UC at the top, and when you factor in Texas Politics it slaps UH and UTEP. My money would say UC, BYU, Memphis and then longshot USF and ECU.

However, if the Big XII makes a couple of NC games with the current format, I think they won't go to 12.

This makes no sense. Memphis is value? Few fans, horrible football and basketball well below UConn and Cinci. Market wise UConn's is bigger than Cinci and much bigger than Memphis. BYU brings a lot, but also is a royal pain in the neck. Otherwise they'd already be in the league.

Cinci is the best geographic partner for WVU and has good programs in multiple sports. The Florida schools add little to the Big 12, which does not have a network. They need bigger brand names than those. Houston and SMU are in markets they carry already with the other TX teams. None of the four are anywhere close to WVU. Cinci UConn and ECU are the only ones that help WVU, and ECU is not getting a Big 12 invite. Hell, they barely got an AAC invite.

While it is obvious you can read, it appears that it is comprehension that is lacking. The pecking order, in my opinion, is UC, BYU and then Memphis. They are not going to go all the way to New England (or Eastern North Carolina) and I doubt all the way to FLA (yes I know recruiting but then Texas is just as fertile of a recruitingground). Memphis' draw is the BB history and NCAA credits that they have and have the potential in the future to generate. That brings in revenue. Revenue, not on field quality, is what is driving the bus. As for BYU's baggage, well it seemed to work ok for all of those years in the WAC and MWC. And, in case you forgot, they do have a NC ring. Something only a couple of Big XII teams can claim.

Sounds logical--until you remember that the last time they sent out an invitation, they jumped everyone close to them and added a team in W Virginia. They could go anywhere and it wouldnt surprise me.

(05-17-2013 04:45 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 03:31 PM)HuskyHawk Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 02:22 PM)PaulDel2 Wrote:  In an interview a few months ago, the Commissioner of the Big XII made the statement that while they had no immediate interest in expanding, it was obvious that if they did they wouldn't look at any school who did not have at least a 50,000 stadium AND bring enough value to the revenue stream that would not reduce the amount of revenue to the existing members.

The only candidates who fit that criteria as to a stadium are ECU, Memphis, BYU, UC if they play conference games at the NFL stadium possibly USF (I am not sure of the capacity), UTEP (yes the Sun Bowl) and Houston and Tulane if they use the NFL stadiums. However, I can imagine that Tulane would have to go begging back to the Superdome since they left it.

Now for the really big criterion, and the one that we all know is really the most important: VALUE. Only Memphis (with the BB credits that might come); BYU with the national reputation/following and UC (market) have a chance. When you factor in the new SOS which means having good FB, it puts BYU and UC at the top, and when you factor in Texas Politics it slaps UH and UTEP. My money would say UC, BYU, Memphis and then longshot USF and ECU.

However, if the Big XII makes a couple of NC games with the current format, I think they won't go to 12.

This makes no sense. Memphis is value? Few fans, horrible football and basketball well below UConn and Cinci. Market wise UConn's is bigger than Cinci and much bigger than Memphis. BYU brings a lot, but also is a royal pain in the neck. Otherwise they'd already be in the league.

Cinci is the best geographic partner for WVU and has good programs in multiple sports. The Florida schools add little to the Big 12, which does not have a network. They need bigger brand names than those. Houston and SMU are in markets they carry already with the other TX teams. None of the four are anywhere close to WVU. Cinci UConn and ECU are the only ones that help WVU, and ECU is not getting a Big 12 invite. Hell, they barely got an AAC invite.

Yep!

#snicker

Here is a article on the few Memphis fans.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketba...basketball

We haven't even scratched the surface that Ruff is from the B12 and may have connections to help grease the wheels into ECU's favor if need be

(05-17-2013 06:00 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  We haven't even scratched the surface that Ruff is from the B12 and may have connections to help grease the wheels into ECU's favor if need be

Exactly. I'm happy we have Kliff but Ruff was a good coach at Tech. I wouldn't mind seeing ECU get an invite to the Big 12. Heck, ECU already has a larger fan base than TCU and Baylor.

(05-17-2013 10:54 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Boy he trolled you guys good with that post.

I disagree because he posted "Let's play what if:" Consequently, I'm playing along....

(05-17-2013 10:47 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:32 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:18 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Let's play what if:

My comments:

Cin and ECU to B12 Agree

Navy back to Indy Would still join the AAC

Marshall, UMASS and USM to AAC Hopefully, we stay away from CUSA. We could use UMASS for bball and pray that fball improves. I would add Army so that we could add another good bball school.

2 Sun Belt teams to C-USA C-USA now stands for C-ollecting U-sed S-unbelt A-thletics

1 possible team from somewhere to Sun Belt The Sun Belt has become FCS....

While I agree this is the former CUSA league, are you really going to pass over USM? Marshall I can understand somewhat, but USM has an outstanding track record and would balence out the "newness" of UMASS if Navy stayed.

I would add Army with Navy so that two good bball schools could be added. Moreover, Army and Navy would help give the AAC national recognition and a following. Furthermore, USM has to show that last year was a horrific aberration.

The other 95 seasons of ~.597 football don't already tell you that last season was a horrific aberration? RPI finishes of 21, 31, and 58 over the last three years isn't good enough basketball? Pardon the language, but just who the hell else do you think is going to take your invite, Florida State?

You can't really argue with Southern Miss from your available choices in terms of competition. I understand if there are other reasons you wouldn't want to add us.

Why wait for an invite? If Vince Vaughn has taught me one thing, it's that you don't need an invite to be the life of the party. Let's be Conference Crashers.

(05-17-2013 06:27 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 06:00 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  We haven't even scratched the surface that Ruff is from the B12 and may have connections to help grease the wheels into ECU's favor if need be

Exactly. I'm happy we have Kliff but Ruff was a good coach at Tech. I wouldn't mind seeing ECU get an invite to the Big 12. Heck, ECU already has a larger fan base than TCU and Baylor.

A lot of emphasis is being put on fanbases here. But if that were entirely relevant, Pitt, Cuse, Maryland and Rutgers wouldn't have a home. The big conferences are looking at TV markets.

(05-17-2013 09:19 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:54 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:51 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Boy he trolled you guys good with that post.

I disagree because he posted "Let's play what if:" Consequently, I'm playing along....

(05-17-2013 10:47 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:32 AM)Underdog Wrote:  

(05-17-2013 10:18 AM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  Let's play what if:

My comments:

Cin and ECU to B12 Agree

Navy back to Indy Would still join the AAC

Marshall, UMASS and USM to AAC Hopefully, we stay away from CUSA. We could use UMASS for bball and pray that fball improves. I would add Army so that we could add another good bball school.

2 Sun Belt teams to C-USA C-USA now stands for C-ollecting U-sed S-unbelt A-thletics

1 possible team from somewhere to Sun Belt The Sun Belt has become FCS....

While I agree this is the former CUSA league, are you really going to pass over USM? Marshall I can understand somewhat, but USM has an outstanding track record and would balence out the "newness" of UMASS if Navy stayed.

I would add Army with Navy so that two good bball schools could be added. Moreover, Army and Navy would help give the AAC national recognition and a following. Furthermore, USM has to show that last year was a horrific aberration.

The other 95 seasons of ~.597 football don't already tell you that last season was a horrific aberration? RPI finishes of 21, 31, and 58 over the last three years isn't good enough basketball? Pardon the language, but just who the hell else do you think is going to take your invite, Florida State?

You can't really argue with Southern Miss from your available choices in terms of competition. I understand if there are other reasons you wouldn't want to add us.

@ Freshy

I always appreciate your intellectual and well articulated contributions to this board. Nevertheless, what I'm going to post isn’t meant to pi$$ you off, but I have to present my unbiased and unedited opinion after reading your post…. There had to be a very good reason why S Miss wasn't considered. S Miss falling from CUSA champs to being stamped 0-12 probably had a lot to do with it not being selected. S Miss only has itself to blame for last year’s pathetic performance. If S Miss had kept up its football performance, it would have probably been chosen over Tulsa. Moreover, this conference has enough CUSA schools. Therefore, we will never become the AAC while continuing to add CUSA schools. Consequently, we are trying the monumental endeavor of rebranding and not being associated with CUSA. I can sympathize with S Miss sports being stuck with C-amouflaging U-neventful S-unbelt A-thletics. However, it had a chance to move up but moved down too drastically for it to be considered a viable addition or replacement now. If S Miss can get back on track, then maybe it will one day become part of the AAC....