(06-09-2013 02:15 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:40 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  They went with competitive balance over fan friendly match ups. Maybe some rivalries and good match ups will result from this.

You say this as if the divisions haven't already been in place for 8 years.

Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville haven't been in the conference for 8 years. Decisions were made when they were integrated into the divisions.

(06-09-2013 02:12 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:30 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  More from #UVa AD Craig Littlepage on #ACC divisions: "I like the competitive balance ... that has always been a guiding principle."
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#UVa AD Craig Littlepage just now via email on #ACC divisions: "We've discussed the current alignment, and it is a non-issue."

That jacka** had EVERYTHING he could've ever wanted. He had a team in Florida. He had his in-state rival. He had Maryland. He had UNC. He had GT. He didn't have to travel outside the ACC footprint to Boston.

UVA hit on probably every aspect they desired.

Now he gets Louisville which I'm sure they are "happy" about.

Quit being a clown.

FROM THE ARTICLE:
"Also, Gold’s divisions create annual games among Florida State, Georgia Tech and Clemson, which followers of all three schools crave."

(06-09-2013 02:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  loud noises

You're deluded.

(06-09-2013 02:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:42 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

Quit being a clown.

FROM THE ARTICLE:
"Also, Gold’s divisions create annual games among Florida State, Georgia Tech and Clemson, which followers of all three schools crave."

Followers of FSU but not administrators apparently.

(06-09-2013 02:20 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-09-2013 02:18 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  loud noises

You're deluded.

You should be ashamed to try to pass that off as if I wrote it.

(06-07-2013 04:34 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:27 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:24 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 04:06 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 03:12 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  You didn't have anything common with GT. You barely played them before you joined the ACC. FSU just wants to play good teams. If BC is good and it helps the SOS, then it all works out.

We barely played many of the teams before playing in the ACC.

GT is a football school
They have won a national title
They are in the deep South and are the closest school to FSU.
They have a huge alumni base in ATL from FSU

Yeah but they have nothing in common just like BC. I swear you don't know very much about college football at all.

You really think a private school from fricken Boston offers the same to Florida State as Georgia Tech? Even when good, BC is not an exciting game. Learn about college football and how regional rivalries are built. The ACC needs to learn that too.

You make it sound like they have this bubbling rivalry and yet I don't hear anyone at either school dying to get the game.

Is Boston College not a football school? Like I said before, BC is not an exciting game to you. When BC is good, they do get some attention. 2006 BC at FSU...attendance 83,043. FSU wasn't even that good that year. BC was ranked.

FSU has high attendance at a lot of their games. That shows nothing.

Again, you have very little knowledge of college football if you haven't seen many at FSU wanting this game.

Let's put it this way. How about we take NC State, Duke or Virginia from you guys. Then you can play BC and Syracuse every year instead. I am sure you would be fine with that right ?

BC at FSU last year drew 81k .

Other games last year:

Murray St 70k
Savannah St 71k
Wake Forest 68k
Duke 71k

Fla and Clemson were sellouts.

So BC was your third most attended game last year and came close to a sellout. Also shows that you're not selling out most of your games like you want to lead us to believe.

It was Parent's Weekend. In 2010 BC was Parent's Weekend. In 2008 BC was Homecoming.

You usually designate those dates against opponents you expect to have low fan interest for.

(06-09-2013 06:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the way you get a net gain is by coming up with divisions which are good enough to convince FSU, Clemson, GT and UL to go with 9 conference games. Then, create a schedule which gives us the cross-overs we need to complete the TV package.

I haven't heard of any opposition from UofL to moving to nine conference games at present. First, look at the home game schedule for UofL from 2002 through 2014.

2002 - 6 home games
2003 - 6 home games
2004 - 5 home games
2005 - 6 home games
2006 - 6 home games
2007 - 6 home games
2008 - 8 home games
2009 - 6 home games
2010 - 7 home games
2011 - 6 home games
2012 - 7 home games
2013 - 7 home games
2014 - 5 home games*

*UofL is currently schedule to play UK, @Notre Dame, @FIU, @Marshall. I think it is likely that the Marshall game is bought out or pushed back a year to end up with 6 home games.

It isn't like playing 6 home games is unusual for UofL nor is it going to crush Louisville's athletic department financially. Is having 7+ home games nice? Yes. Is it the end of the world if it doesn't happen? No.

(06-07-2013 05:31 PM)omniorange Wrote:  As I understand it Spetman was a 'yes' man for Barron.

You don't understand it then. He wasn't hired by Barron but was recently removed of his duties by him.

(06-09-2013 02:52 PM)UofLgrad07 Wrote:  

(06-09-2013 06:26 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  IMO, the way you get a net gain is by coming up with divisions which are good enough to convince FSU, Clemson, GT and UL to go with 9 conference games. Then, create a schedule which gives us the cross-overs we need to complete the TV package.

I haven't heard of any opposition from UofL to moving to nine conference games at present. First, look at the home game schedule for UofL from 2002 through 2014.

2002 - 6 home games
2003 - 6 home games
2004 - 5 home games
2005 - 6 home games
2006 - 6 home games
2007 - 6 home games
2008 - 8 home games
2009 - 6 home games
2010 - 7 home games
2011 - 6 home games
2012 - 7 home games
2013 - 7 home games
2014 - 5 home games*

*UofL is currently schedule to play UK, @Notre Dame, @FIU, @Marshall. I think it is likely that the Marshall game is bought out or pushed back a year to end up with 6 home games.

It isn't like playing 6 home games is unusual for UofL nor is it going to crush Louisville's athletic department financially. Is having 7+ home games nice? Yes. Is it the end of the world if it doesn't happen? No.

I noticed this yesterday and meant to bring it up. I don't recall any major program only having 5 home games in a year. I'm guessing some of these will be rescheduled.

(06-09-2013 02:57 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  I noticed this yesterday and meant to bring it up. I don't recall any major program only having 5 home games in a year. I'm guessing some of these will be rescheduled.

It is a byproduct of realignment. UofL was originally looking for an OOC home game for 2014 when it thought it was going to be stuck in the Big East/American. When it was invited to join the ACC, UofL was approached about scheduling a 2014 game @ND to help out the conference (we had an open date on the schedule and the conference needed another ACC team to play @ND). That resulted in only 5 home games on the schedule which is why I think it is likely that the @Marshall game gets bought out.

(06-07-2013 05:53 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  So let me get this straight, FSU will raise a stink about looking at different conferences because of media contracts, making more money, stronger football conference, yada yada yada. It's all over the news and everyone's talking about it. Yet they have this supposed big issue with the divisions are there's hardly a peep about it and they aren't saying anything now. Yeah right.....

He literally provided you a link that proved you wrong right above this comment of yours. You speculating that Barron prefers UL over GT is moronic. There's no basis behind that assumption of yours.

(06-09-2013 02:53 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 05:31 PM)omniorange Wrote:  As I understand it Spetman was a 'yes' man for Barron.

You don't understand it then. He wasn't hired by Barron but was recently removed of his duties by him.

Okay, fine. My point had more to do with Spetman than Barron anyway.

He just never appeared to me to be the guy that was going to make waves by publicly coming out and speaking against FSU being in the ACC the way Jimbo Fisher and Haggard did.

Hope FSU gets a dynamic AD that knows how to generate revenue outside of conference monies, since for most institutions the money generated via the conference is less than a third of their revenues overall.

Cheers,
Neil

(06-09-2013 03:03 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  

(06-07-2013 05:53 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  So let me get this straight, FSU will raise a stink about looking at different conferences because of media contracts, making more money, stronger football conference, yada yada yada. It's all over the news and everyone's talking about it. Yet they have this supposed big issue with the divisions are there's hardly a peep about it and they aren't saying anything now. Yeah right.....

He literally provided you a link that proved you wrong right above this comment of yours. You speculating that Barron prefers UL over GT is moronic. There's no basis behind that assumption of yours.

Dude you are late to the game. A year ago he commented about switching GT with either Maryland or Syracuse. Since Louisville has been added...crickets. Hasn't said a word. FSU wanted Louisville in the league and wants to be paired with them. If you read the thread better you'd notice the timeline progression. But I guess you are too busy trying to cut someone down.

(06-07-2013 06:02 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  FSU fans think contrary to your position. BC is your 3rd or even 2nd highest attended game.

I explained why this is. Fans come into town for Homecoming and Parent's Weekend that might not otherwise and do so for the festivities as opposed to the opponent. They usually designate weaker opponents for these games and BC has been that opponent each of the last 3 seasons they've come to Tallahassee.

FSU fans do not "like" playing BC and don't look forward to the games. It's nothing against BC, it's just the reality of the situation. This isn't to say FSU fans consider BC another Duke; They don't. They're just on that rung with Wake, UVA and UMD to most fans. A lot of it is the distance and the lack of anything in common to tie the schools together. But a lot of it also has to do with them not being very good outside of the Matt Ryan years.

But this is just some stupid detour this thread took by some UNC poster making ridiculous claims that FSU fans like BC.

(06-07-2013 06:17 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  By your definition, the Miami/FSU rivalry is a long distance rivalry.

Texas/OU (which was NOT a conference game until the mid 90s) has some distance between them.

Most of the PAC games fit your description, too. And let's not forget that Montana and Boise were once in a conference with several PAC teams.

There are many more, especially in lesser conferences.

This is nonsense.

What do Boise and Montana being in a conference with Pac 12 schools have to do with rivalries?

What are the major Pac 12 rivalries? UW vs WSU? UO vs OSU? Cal vs Stanford? USC vs UCLA? UA vs ASU? It's not like Arizona vs Washington is a rivalry or Cal vs Colorado.

Texas and OU were rivals before they were conference mates. What does them not being in the same conference until the 90's have to do with anything? How do schools from bordering states automatically equate to a "long distance rivalry"? UGA and UF? UT and Bama? UVA and UNC? All long distance rivals, too?

He definitely said "regional" in one of the first pages of this thread.

(06-07-2013 06:32 PM)Ragu Wrote:  That doesn't mean that FSU would rather play Louisville than GT though. That means FSU would rather play Louisville than UConn.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

FSU's homecoming game last year---Duke only drew 71k.
FSU homecoming 2011----Virginia only drew 77k
FSU homecoming 2010---UNC only drew 70k

But I thought you said, FSU fans show up on these "designated" days

(06-07-2013 02:19 PM)omniorange Wrote:  In another thread I linked an article by David Teal discussing divisional realignment.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/teel-bl...full.story

I like David Teel as a writer and completely agree with this part of the article in particular:

"But should balance be the top consideration? Would the league be better-served to produce games that sell more tickets and attract larger TV audiences?".

(06-07-2013 02:19 PM)omniorange Wrote:  In it he discussed the N/S alignment, his own alignment, and one developed by Adam Gold.

It's this third model I'd like to get posters' views on.

ATLANTIC---------COASTAL

Syracuse----------Boston College

Georgia Tech------Louisville

Pittsburgh---------Virginia

N. Carolina St.-----North Carolina

Wake Forest-------Duke

Florida State-------Miami

Clemson-----------Virginia Tech

As a UofL fan, there are really only two things I want from divisions in the ACC. First, I want a Florida school in UofL's division for recruiting purposes and Florida exposure. Second, I want at least two programs that most of UofL's fanbase would be jazzed about playing. For me, those programs are Virginia Tech, FSU, Miami, and Clemson.

Gold's proposal looks great to me. While I'd love to see a cross over with Georgia Tech, I think it probably makes more sense to pair UofL with Pitt and Virginia with Georgia Tech. After all, Louisville-Pittsburgh (16 games, series tied 8-8) and Virginia-Georgia Tech (35 games, series tied 17-17-1) have a lot more games between them than Virginia-Pittsburgh (5 games, Pitt leads 3-2) and Louisville-Georgia Tech (never).

(06-09-2013 03:32 PM)jaminandjachin Wrote:  FSU's homecoming game last year---Duke only drew 71k.
FSU homecoming 2011----Virginia only drew 77k
FSU homecoming 2010---UNC only drew 70k

But I thought you said, FSU fans show up on these "designated" days

It's like they don't understand that posters know how to google.



Cheers,
Neil