From the article...don't buy it for a minute:

Plus, there’s this nugget, courtesy of the Austin American-Statesman’s Kirk Bohls, who reported that Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said he tried to sell his Big 12 colleagues on Louisville, but to no avail.

What? Texas wanted Louisville? We already know that OU — both president David Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione — were pro-Louisville. If the Big 12 kingpins, Texas and OU, both wanted the Cardinals, why didn’t Louisville get an invite? Has the Big 12 gone all egalitarian? Does Texas not hold the sway we all thought? Does Texas and OU combined not swing a big enough stick to get Louisville?

http://newsok.com/big-12-football-louisv..._click=rss

I'm calling BS on that one. Every report at the time said that UT wanted WVU and not Louisville.

I guess it's a credit to Louisville's recent success that UT is trying to spin a completely different story after the fact.

(06-12-2013 01:02 AM)Maize Wrote:  From the article...don't buy it for a minute:

Plus, there’s this nugget, courtesy of the Austin American-Statesman’s Kirk Bohls, who reported that Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said he tried to sell his Big 12 colleagues on Louisville, but to no avail.

What? Texas wanted Louisville? We already know that OU — both president David Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione — were pro-Louisville. If the Big 12 kingpins, Texas and OU, both wanted the Cardinals, why didn’t Louisville get an invite? Has the Big 12 gone all egalitarian? Does Texas not hold the sway we all thought? Does Texas and OU combined not swing a big enough stick to get Louisville?

http://newsok.com/big-12-football-louisv..._click=rss

I know I've said this multiple times but the Big 12 sealed its own fate by not taking UofL and Cincy to go along with WVU. The ACC would have imploded had the Big 12 not been so shortsighted, now the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

(06-12-2013 01:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I'm calling BS on that one. Every report at the time said that UT wanted WVU and not Louisville.

I guess it's a credit to Louisville's recent success that UT is trying to spin a completely different story after the fact.

Oh I agree...Texas and the networks wanted WVU...I just find it funny now...hindsight they should have taken both but that is the past...glad we are in the ACC...

(06-12-2013 01:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I'm calling BS on that one. Every report at the time said that UT wanted WVU and not Louisville.

I guess it's a credit to Louisville's recent success that UT is trying to spin a completely different story after the fact.

Oh I agree...Texas and the networks wanted WVU...I just find it funny now...hindsight they should have taken both but that is the past...glad we are in the ACC...

Louisville is an awesome fit for the ACC.

(06-12-2013 01:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I'm calling BS on that one. Every report at the time said that UT wanted WVU and not Louisville.

I guess it's a credit to Louisville's recent success that UT is trying to spin a completely different story after the fact.

+1

(06-12-2013 01:59 AM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I'm calling BS on that one. Every report at the time said that UT wanted WVU and not Louisville.

I guess it's a credit to Louisville's recent success that UT is trying to spin a completely different story after the fact.

Oh I agree...Texas and the networks wanted WVU...I just find it funny now...hindsight they should have taken both but that is the past...glad we are in the ACC...

Louisville is an awesome fit for the ACC.

Agree fully. We love Basketball, Football, Baseball, volleyball and are looking into Lacrosse. Sounds like the ACC to Me. Close by too!

(06-12-2013 01:12 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I know I've said this multiple times but the Big 12 sealed its own fate by not taking UofL and Cincy to go along with WVU. The ACC would have imploded had the Big 12 not been so shortsighted, now the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

Missing out on Louisville may have been a mistake but not adding anyone else certainly hasn't sealed our fate. We are still a power 4 conference and we are paid like it.

That being said, I hope the Big 12 and the dreams of mid-majors who can't put the 30K in the stands on a consistent yearly basis die as well.

(06-12-2013 04:36 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:12 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I know I've said this multiple times but the Big 12 sealed its own fate by not taking UofL and Cincy to go along with WVU. The ACC would have imploded had the Big 12 not been so shortsighted, now the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

Missing out on Louisville may have been a mistake but not adding anyone else certainly hasn't sealed our fate. We are still a power 4 conference and we are paid like it.

That being said, I hope the Big 12 and the dreams of mid-majors who can't put the 30K in the stands on a consistent yearly basis die as well.

Sorry....it Power 5...the Big XII & ACC are @ the same level....not one single ACC School would even consider the Big XII...

(06-12-2013 05:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 04:36 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:12 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I know I've said this multiple times but the Big 12 sealed its own fate by not taking UofL and Cincy to go along with WVU. The ACC would have imploded had the Big 12 not been so shortsighted, now the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

Missing out on Louisville may have been a mistake but not adding anyone else certainly hasn't sealed our fate. We are still a power 4 conference and we are paid like it.

That being said, I hope the Big 12 and the dreams of mid-majors who can't put the 30K in the stands on a consistent yearly basis die as well.

Sorry....it Power 5...the Big XII & ACC are @ the same level....not one single ACC School would even consider the Big XII...

The BIG, PAC 12, SEC and Big 12 would beg to differ. The SEC formed an alliance with the Big 12 for the Champions Bowl/Sugar Bowl. The BIG and PAC 12 continued their Rose Bowl agreement. What power conference did the ACC align with in the Orange Bowl?

(06-12-2013 05:43 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 05:32 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 04:36 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:12 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I know I've said this multiple times but the Big 12 sealed its own fate by not taking UofL and Cincy to go along with WVU. The ACC would have imploded had the Big 12 not been so shortsighted, now the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

Missing out on Louisville may have been a mistake but not adding anyone else certainly hasn't sealed our fate. We are still a power 4 conference and we are paid like it.

That being said, I hope the Big 12 and the dreams of mid-majors who can't put the 30K in the stands on a consistent yearly basis die as well.

Sorry....it Power 5...the Big XII & ACC are @ the same level....not one single ACC School would even consider the Big XII...

The BIG, PAC 12 and SEC would beg to differ. The SEC formed an alliance with the Big 12 for the Champions Bowl/Sugar Bowl. The BIG and PAC 12 continued their Rose Bowl agreement. What power conference did the ACC align with in the Orange Bowl?

The B1G, SEC & Notre Dame with the Orange Bowl...plus the fact the overall Bowl lineup going forward especially all the tie ins with the SEC/B1G perhaps including the Capitol One Bowl. A " True Power Conference" has 2 Tie ins to CFP Bowls...that is the B1G & SEC.

To put it another way...the Big XII offered the same deal the ACC gave the Irish and the Big XII offered it first...the Irish chose the ACC...

(06-12-2013 01:12 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

Weakest of the P5? Yeah, I can see that. A walking corpse? No, not really.

But even if the Big <12's weaknesses become worse over the next few years, they can always add BYU + a "pick one" among the AAC members. Then they're back to 12 and can move on with life. The B12 has some significant problems, but it does not have an existential crisis, like the Big East did from 2003-2012.

(06-12-2013 01:13 AM)Maize Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:08 AM)Wedge Wrote:  I'm calling BS on that one. Every report at the time said that UT wanted WVU and not Louisville.

I guess it's a credit to Louisville's recent success that UT is trying to spin a completely different story after the fact.

Oh I agree...Texas and the networks wanted WVU...I just find it funny now...hindsight they should have taken both but that is the past...glad we are in the ACC...

X2

Can't wait to be in the ACC.

It is quite possible that all the schools wanted Louisville. Remember the meeting and the reaction immediately after WVU was announced many of the Big 12 people were shocked/confused about it. The networks and the Big 12 office made the the pick and then sold to all the schools.

I find this arguing over who is #4 hilarious because the reality is that it is the power 2 (SEC and the B10) and the little 3. At this point the ACC, B12 and PAC are all interchangeable. Arguing about who is #4 is ridiculous.

(06-12-2013 08:17 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  I find this arguing over who is #4 hilarious because the reality is that it is the power 2 (SEC and the B10) and the little 3. At this point the ACC, B12 and PAC are all interchangeable. Arguing about who is #4 is ridiculous.

+1000

That why I said above only two leagues have two tie-ins to CFP Bowls....the SEC/B1G...

(06-12-2013 08:17 AM)WNCOrange Wrote:  I find this arguing over who is #4 hilarious because the reality is that it is the power 2 (SEC and the B10) and the little 3. At this point the ACC, B12 and PAC are all interchangeable. Arguing about who is #4 is ridiculous.

I definitely agree with this.

I also agree that the Big 12 should have added Louisville and Cincinnati along with West Virginia. I think as time goes along that mistake will become more and more glaring. By adding all three of those schools, the Big 12 could have triangulated the Ohio Valley and created a real synergy between those schools and could have effectively expanded their footprint in a meaningful way. Instead, they opted to go with the shortsighted band-aid approach and that will ultimately hurt everyone.

Dumb.

Similarly, I think the Big Ten's selection of Rutgers and Maryland over Florida State and Georgia Tech will also prove a significant mistake in the long run.

(06-12-2013 08:03 AM)Native Georgian Wrote:  

(06-12-2013 01:12 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  the Big 12 is the most vulnerable conference of the P5. 10 teams and no plans for a conference network, the Big 12 is a walking corpse at this point.

Weakest of the P5? Yeah, I can see that. A walking corpse? No, not really.

But even if the Big <12's weaknesses become worse over the next few years, they can always add BYU + a "pick one" among the AAC members. Then they're back to 12 and can move on with life. The B12 has some significant problems, but it does not have an existential crisis, like the Big East did from 2003-2012.

The Big XII survived and is now thriving even after losing four schools including Nebraska & Texas A&M...that league is making $$$ hand over fist and is going to be fine.

If we want to be honest, competitively it is the SEC and the little 4 in the one sport that really matters. With its population and fiscal stagnation, and I really don't see the Big 10 closing the gap in that respect. The other leagues' best hope to close the gap is that football itself loses popularity (which some are predicting will happen).

(06-12-2013 01:02 AM)Maize Wrote:  From the article...don't buy it for a minute:

Plus, there’s this nugget, courtesy of the Austin American-Statesman’s Kirk Bohls, who reported that Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said he tried to sell his Big 12 colleagues on Louisville, but to no avail.

What? Texas wanted Louisville? We already know that OU — both president David Boren and athletic director Joe Castiglione — were pro-Louisville. If the Big 12 kingpins, Texas and OU, both wanted the Cardinals, why didn’t Louisville get an invite? Has the Big 12 gone all egalitarian? Does Texas not hold the sway we all thought? Does Texas and OU combined not swing a big enough stick to get Louisville?

http://newsok.com/big-12-football-louisv..._click=rss

At the end of the day it takes 75%, and if the networks are saying take the other school it's tough for some schools to get over that.