Sun Belt.

(07-15-2013 02:57 PM)Wedge Wrote:  With CUSA, we know that (a) they've already added at least two more new schools than they needed to add, and (b) their commissioner wants to add at least two more.

Based on what do we "know" (b). Over the past few years I've seen some mighty strained readings of quotes from officials backing claims along similar lines.

(07-15-2013 02:31 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 12:24 AM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote:  Sun Belt. Last ticket to FBS.

The MAC has another, but evening up their FB divisions is not reason enough to take just any FCS school, so its one that could stay in the "will call" drawer for a while.

Yep, that was my take. I don't think the MAC wants another mouth to feed.

CAA

Think they are too good and not a fit for the Sun Belt

CUSA thinks they are too good for JMU

Quite the dilemma.

(07-15-2013 06:10 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  CAA

Think they are too good and not a fit for the Sun Belt

CUSA thinks they are too good for JMU

Quite the dilemma.

JMU has said nothing....literally nothing. How do we think we are too good?

Because we are waiting on the Carr report?

Because the SBC has given us the opportunity to wait?

Because a few fans on a message board said so?

Well, shoot....by that standard, GSU is too good for the SBC as well.

(07-15-2013 08:05 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 06:10 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  CAA

Think they are too good and not a fit for the Sun Belt

CUSA thinks they are too good for JMU

Quite the dilemma.

JMU has said nothing....literally nothing. How do we think we are too good?

Because we are waiting on the Carr report?

Because the SBC has given us the opportunity to wait?

Because a few fans on a message board said so?

Well, shoot....by that standard, GSU is too good for the SBC as well.

Waiting on a feasibility study.....the biggest stall tactic of them all. When the SBC opportunity came up for Ga St, they gave a guy $30k and a month to cook up a report to say yes to FBS. If JMU wanted it, they would make it happen. The SBC is not the best geographic fit for all sports so the administration lukewarm at best. Throw in the fact the faculty would revolt, the President can't pull the trigger.

(07-15-2013 09:46 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 08:05 PM)JMU2004 Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 06:10 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  CAA

Think they are too good and not a fit for the Sun Belt

CUSA thinks they are too good for JMU

Quite the dilemma.

JMU has said nothing....literally nothing. How do we think we are too good?

Because we are waiting on the Carr report?

Because the SBC has given us the opportunity to wait?

Because a few fans on a message board said so?

Well, shoot....by that standard, GSU is too good for the SBC as well.

Waiting on a feasibility study.....the biggest stall tactic of them all. When the SBC opportunity came up for Ga St, they gave a guy $30k and a month to cook up a report to say yes to FBS. If JMU wanted it, they would make it happen. The SBC is not the best geographic fit for all sports so the administration lukewarm at best. Throw in the fact the faculty would revolt, the President can't pull the trigger.

Ga.St. is not a good example for ANY program to follow.

Faculty issues and geography are valid concerns, and should be duly vetted.

How does that make JMU too good for the SBC?

(07-15-2013 09:52 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:02 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:42 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I said MAC because CUSA has 14 members and I don't think they'll go to 16. That leaves the MAC sitting at 13 and the Sunbelt at 11. Of the 2, the MAC is a lot closer.

JMU should be in Conference USA. Their budget is right there with ODU and ECU around 65th. They'd be a financial heavy weight and any of CUSA, MAC or the Sunbelt.

Their budget must be heavily subsidized then. There is no way either JMU or ODU could match ECU's budget otherwise.

Both programs are subsidized, ODU more so. According to the link below, ECU's budget is subsidized 40% while ODU's is subsidized 74%. Most programs, except the big dogs, rely on student fees to fund their respective atheltic programs.

Link--->College Revenues

So they are subsidized 34% more than ECU. Got it.

JMU is subsidized 79%. So 39% more than ECU.

Thank VA49er for finding that link. I couldn't find it when I looked for it.

(07-16-2013 05:45 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:52 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:02 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 01:42 AM)ChrisLords Wrote:  I said MAC because CUSA has 14 members and I don't think they'll go to 16. That leaves the MAC sitting at 13 and the Sunbelt at 11. Of the 2, the MAC is a lot closer.

JMU should be in Conference USA. Their budget is right there with ODU and ECU around 65th. They'd be a financial heavy weight and any of CUSA, MAC or the Sunbelt.

Their budget must be heavily subsidized then. There is no way either JMU or ODU could match ECU's budget otherwise.

Both programs are subsidized, ODU more so. According to the link below, ECU's budget is subsidized 40% while ODU's is subsidized 74%. Most programs, except the big dogs, rely on student fees to fund their respective atheltic programs.

Link--->College Revenues

So they are subsidized 34% more than ECU. Got it.

JMU is subsidized 79%. So 39% more than ECU.

Thank VA49er for finding that link. I couldn't find it when I looked for it.

No problem. Looks like the Niners areon VA Tech's 2019 football schedule. Hopefully we'll be competitive by then.

It's funny to read the comments about JMU believing it is too good for the Sun Belt. JMU's administration is less transparent than the NSA, so what they're thinking is anyone's guess. Here are some things to consider:

- JMU's last president was vocally anti-FBS regardless of conference, but the views of our new president has been silent on the issue during his first year in office.
- The SVP of finance, to whom the AD reports (I know, it's an odd structure), was appointed by the previous president and will likely do everything in his power to block any move to FBS. I believe we would resign if JMU attempts a move to FBS.
- JMU has historically placed the interests of the CAA above the interests of the university. As long as CAA commissioner Tom Yeager objects to JMU's departure, it is hard to imagine us leaving the conference. As an interesting side note, Yeager's son is employed by JMU's athletic department -- a testament to the close ties between the organizations.

Personally, I don't think that JMU's administration believes that they are too good for any conference. I believe that they are simply blinded by their unconditional commitment to the CAA. I also believe that the feasibility study is intended to shut down the increasingly vocal FBS advocates among our fan base. I would be shocked if the administration allows the creation of a report supporting a move to FBS.

(07-16-2013 09:05 AM)rufus Wrote:  It's funny to read the comments about JMU believing it is too good for the Sun Belt. JMU's administration is less transparent than the NSA, so what they're thinking is anyone's guess. Here are some things to consider:

- JMU's last president was vocally anti-FBS regardless of conference, but the views of our new president has been silent on the issue during his first year in office.
- The SVP of finance, to whom the AD reports (I know, it's an odd structure), was appointed by the previous president and will likely do everything in his power to block any move to FBS. I believe we would resign if JMU attempts a move to FBS.
- JMU has historically placed the interests of the CAA above the interests of the university. As long as CAA commissioner Tom Yeager objects to JMU's departure, it is hard to imagine us leaving the conference. As an interesting side note, Yeager's son is employed by JMU's athletic department -- a testament to the close ties between the organizations.

Personally, I don't think that JMU's administration believes that they are too good for any conference. I believe that they are simply blinded by their unconditional commitment to the CAA. I also believe that the feasibility study is intended to shut down the increasingly vocal FBS advocates among our fan base. I would be shocked if the administration allows the creation of a report supporting a move to FBS.

Our previous president and AD authorized a sham feasability study to say we could not afford to move FBS. It took nearly two years to complete as the president and AD sent it back for multiple revisions so it would say exactly what they wanted.

Then we get a pro athletics President, and we move FBS.

(07-16-2013 12:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 09:05 AM)rufus Wrote:  It's funny to read the comments about JMU believing it is too good for the Sun Belt. JMU's administration is less transparent than the NSA, so what they're thinking is anyone's guess. Here are some things to consider:

- JMU's last president was vocally anti-FBS regardless of conference, but the views of our new president has been silent on the issue during his first year in office.
- The SVP of finance, to whom the AD reports (I know, it's an odd structure), was appointed by the previous president and will likely do everything in his power to block any move to FBS. I believe we would resign if JMU attempts a move to FBS.
- JMU has historically placed the interests of the CAA above the interests of the university. As long as CAA commissioner Tom Yeager objects to JMU's departure, it is hard to imagine us leaving the conference. As an interesting side note, Yeager's son is employed by JMU's athletic department -- a testament to the close ties between the organizations.

Personally, I don't think that JMU's administration believes that they are too good for any conference. I believe that they are simply blinded by their unconditional commitment to the CAA. I also believe that the feasibility study is intended to shut down the increasingly vocal FBS advocates among our fan base. I would be shocked if the administration allows the creation of a report supporting a move to FBS.

Our previous president and AD authorized a sham feasability study to say we could not afford to move FBS. It took nearly two years to complete as the president and AD sent it back for multiple revisions so it would say exactly what they wanted.

Then we get a pro athletics President, and we move FBS.

Your previous AD was a JMU grad. Apparently we breed an anti-FBS culture.

SunBelt, because that's JMU's last ticket to FBS, IMO.

(07-16-2013 03:55 PM)rufus Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 12:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  

(07-16-2013 09:05 AM)rufus Wrote:  It's funny to read the comments about JMU believing it is too good for the Sun Belt. JMU's administration is less transparent than the NSA, so what they're thinking is anyone's guess. Here are some things to consider:

- JMU's last president was vocally anti-FBS regardless of conference, but the views of our new president has been silent on the issue during his first year in office.
- The SVP of finance, to whom the AD reports (I know, it's an odd structure), was appointed by the previous president and will likely do everything in his power to block any move to FBS. I believe we would resign if JMU attempts a move to FBS.
- JMU has historically placed the interests of the CAA above the interests of the university. As long as CAA commissioner Tom Yeager objects to JMU's departure, it is hard to imagine us leaving the conference. As an interesting side note, Yeager's son is employed by JMU's athletic department -- a testament to the close ties between the organizations.

Personally, I don't think that JMU's administration believes that they are too good for any conference. I believe that they are simply blinded by their unconditional commitment to the CAA. I also believe that the feasibility study is intended to shut down the increasingly vocal FBS advocates among our fan base. I would be shocked if the administration allows the creation of a report supporting a move to FBS.

Our previous president and AD authorized a sham feasability study to say we could not afford to move FBS. It took nearly two years to complete as the president and AD sent it back for multiple revisions so it would say exactly what they wanted.

Then we get a pro athletics President, and we move FBS.

Your previous AD was a JMU grad. Apparently we breed an anti-FBS culture.

Maybe the founding fathers played a football game, and James Madison was the last one to be picked by either team, so he held a grudge, and it's carried on ever since.

(07-15-2013 02:27 PM)bitcruncher Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 02:17 PM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:52 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:36 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(07-15-2013 09:02 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Their budget must be heavily subsidized then. There is no way either JMU or ODU could match ECU's budget otherwise.

Both programs are subsidized, ODU more so. According to the link below, ECU's budget is subsidized 40% while ODU's is subsidized 74%. Most programs, except the big dogs, rely on student fees to fund their respective atheltic programs.

Link--->College Revenues

So they are subsidized 34% more than ECU. Got it.

Yep, both are subsidized, which seems to piss off some nonsports people. I guesst those folks would rather see 80,000 folks show up to watch some kid do a chemistry experiment.

Think of it like NASCAR. The accidents could be exciting as hell...

Funniest thing I've read on a message board in a while.

JMU isn't leaving Tom Yeager's conference. They really have no reason to leave the CAA.

So what happens when Yeager retires?

(07-16-2013 05:00 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  So what happens when Yeager retires?

Yeager's son quits his job at JMU and take over as commissioner?

(07-16-2013 04:03 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  SunBelt, because that's JMU's last ticket to FBS, IMO.

You're assuming that JMU actually aspires to play FBS football. In the past, we have seen absolutely no desire for FBS from our administration. Hopefully things are changing, but I'm still skeptical.

Either MAC or Sun Belt..

I think James Madison would rather join the MAC

But all depends on UMASS.. All in or out, or staying just football only...