(08-17-2013 02:00 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If the ACC is in a position where they have to invite Temple and/or UConn I pray to God it is because Clemson has moved on to greener pastures as either is a death sentence for big time football.

What's it like to root for a school you couldn't get into?

I would like to remind our visitors that sometimes you may read things that you dont like over here on the Acc Board. Just be respectful and not insulting.

It will be interesting to see what comes out of the January meetings. 5 conferences may need to add to 16 schools. It's probably going to come down to geographic location and best available programs to add. Or maybe nothing comes out of it.

(08-17-2013 07:40 AM)cuseroc Wrote:  

(08-17-2013 02:00 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If the ACC is in a position where they have to invite Temple and/or UConn I pray to God it is because Clemson has moved on to greener pastures as either is a death sentence for big time football.

What's it like to root for a school you couldn't get into?

I would like to remind our visitors that sometimes you may read things that you dont like over here on the Acc Board. Just be respectful and not insulting.

I would say comparing us to a death sentence is pretty disrespectful and insulting compared to something that is a fact.

(08-17-2013 02:00 AM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-16-2013 07:40 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  If the ACC is in a position where they have to invite Temple and/or UConn I pray to God it is because Clemson has moved on to greener pastures as either is a death sentence for big time football.

What's it like to root for a school you couldn't get into?

I was accepted by Clemson, but the financial package I got from Newberry sent me there. My Mother is a widow and I had both knees practically reconstructed before my senior year in high school because of a dirt bike crash so rather than saddle myself and my mother with a ton a debt with a younger sibling 3 years behind me yet to come I went with what we could afford at the time.

I was actually on schedule for a partial baseball ride from Newberry before the dirt bike ended my playing career. When I had to give that up they worked out an academic package that was actually better.

So, there's my story. What's it like to pull for a school that is, was, and always will be among the dregs of college football?

I can see this is going to end well.

(08-08-2013 03:44 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Should the ACC consider a preemptive UConn/Cincinnati add? IF ESPN agreed to keep the $20M/team whole?

Naturally, being an FSU guy, you can assume that I'm against anything that weakens football...HOWEVER, going to 4 pod scheduling might actually IMPROVE the ACC schedule, even with two weaker teams. You could get through the non-divisional schedule much more quickly, and solve this issue of FSU/UNC, Miami/Clemson, Syracuse/VT playing every 14 years or whatever.

I guess it comes down to this, is there any real money to be made or at stake by "beating" the Big 10 in the Northeast? Or is Northeast college football just fools gold?

I tend to think it is not really worth it...but with the committment the ACC has there with BC, Pitt, SU, you probably don't want to cede the area to the B1G if you can win it. The investment has been made.

And the Big 10 certainly would seem to think it's worth it.

I mean, my gut feeling is no, and it is a total non-starter if ESPN isn't absolutely on board with maintaining the status quo payment. But should it be under consideration?

If it was Rutgers then I would have said yes. I always thought it was a mistake that the ACC ignored Rutgers. New Jersey is a pretty big state, population wise and even though it gets a lot of bad press for poverty, crime, it is still fairly wealthy.
I am undecided about UConn or Cincinnati as I have not really looked at the issues. I am thinking it would probably be neutral to the TV conference but beating the B1G and possibly the Big XII out of these markets is kind of enticing.

(08-18-2013 11:58 AM)tj_2009 Wrote:  

(08-08-2013 03:44 PM)Lou_C Wrote:  Should the ACC consider a preemptive UConn/Cincinnati add? IF ESPN agreed to keep the $20M/team whole?

Naturally, being an FSU guy, you can assume that I'm against anything that weakens football...HOWEVER, going to 4 pod scheduling might actually IMPROVE the ACC schedule, even with two weaker teams. You could get through the non-divisional schedule much more quickly, and solve this issue of FSU/UNC, Miami/Clemson, Syracuse/VT playing every 14 years or whatever.

I guess it comes down to this, is there any real money to be made or at stake by "beating" the Big 10 in the Northeast? Or is Northeast college football just fools gold?

I tend to think it is not really worth it...but with the committment the ACC has there with BC, Pitt, SU, you probably don't want to cede the area to the B1G if you can win it. The investment has been made.

And the Big 10 certainly would seem to think it's worth it.

I mean, my gut feeling is no, and it is a total non-starter if ESPN isn't absolutely on board with maintaining the status quo payment. But should it be under consideration?

If it was Rutgers then I would have said yes. I always thought it was a mistake that the ACC ignored Rutgers. New Jersey is a pretty big state, population wise and even though it gets a lot of bad press for poverty, crime, it is still fairly wealthy.
I am undecided about UConn or Cincinnati as I have not really looked at the issues. I am thinking it would probably be neutral to the TV conference but beating the B1G and possibly the Big XII out of these markets is kind of enticing.

I have asked this same question before. Does a schools location offset their lack of football? The B1G seems to think so. Yes, the BTN was a big part of that decision. You still get the ACC in that market.

Georgetown is 10 miles from UMD. Their Olympic sports are as good or better than Maryland. If they were going to make a move, now would be the time to do it. Maryland won't be able to spend any money until 2020 or later.

I really don't understand this obsession with Temple. They haven't proven anything to me football wise. They were ALWAYS at the bottom of the Big East standings before they were kicked out. That's right, Temple is the ONLY school in BCS history to actually be kicked out of an AQ conference. Their basketball is nothing special and doesn't add anything to the ACC.

Cincinnati's kind of a meh program to me. Yes they've won a lot of games the past few years but what did they do in their BCS games when they actually had something to prove? Also consider they've won all those games and their attendance is still somehow abysmal. Last I checked they were among the lowest of any BCS school. My question is what happens if they go from 10 wins to 6 wins a year? THEN what will their attendance be? Their basketball program has a ceiling at ~25 wins and a first weekend exit in the postseason. They've never finished higher than 4th in the Big East and spent half their years in the bottom half of the standings and never won the BET. Again they have trouble filling their arena unless the opposing team brings a bunch of fans.

UConn seems like the best bet for the ACC but by themselves they don't add much unless someone like Notre Dame is also added. Too bad Rutgers is off the table because I think they would've fit wonderfully in the ACC.

(08-18-2013 08:38 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Their basketball is nothing special and doesn't add anything to the ACC.

A couple of good years and Louisville fans get big headed. We're one of the most consistent programs in college basketball history. We do it without the backing of a corporate sugar daddy like Louisville. I dont think anyone is 'obsessed' with us. Our football is on the upswing. We know we have a lot to prove. God knows Louisville did too until recently. You're also the university of second (third, fourth, fifth) chances for castoffs like Dyer. Must be nice.

Oh, and LOL at Rutgers being a wonderful fit. Their basketball blows. We are what we are, but they're equal to a low major in basketball. We're certainly an FBS level football program.

I would gladly trade Wake Forest for non-BCS schools like Connecticut, Temple or Cincinnati.

(08-18-2013 10:37 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 08:38 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Their basketball is nothing special and doesn't add anything to the ACC.

A couple of good years and Louisville fans get big headed. We're one of the most consistent programs in college basketball history. We do it without the backing of a corporate sugar daddy like Louisville. I dont think anyone is 'obsessed' with us. Our football is on the upswing. We know we have a lot to prove. God knows Louisville did too until recently. You're also the university of second (third, fourth, fifth) chances for castoffs like Dyer. Must be nice.

Oh, and LOL at Rutgers being a wonderful fit. Their basketball blows. We are what we are, but they're equal to a low major in basketball. We're certainly an FBS level football program.

A couple of good years? We were good since the 1950's and have a long history of winning in Basketball. Much more than Temple.

(08-18-2013 10:37 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 08:38 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Their basketball is nothing special and doesn't add anything to the ACC.

A couple of good years and Louisville fans get big headed. We're one of the most consistent programs in college basketball history. We do it without the backing of a corporate sugar daddy like Louisville. I dont think anyone is 'obsessed' with us. Our football is on the upswing. We know we have a lot to prove. God knows Louisville did too until recently. You're also the university of second (third, fourth, fifth) chances for castoffs like Dyer. Must be nice.

Oh, and LOL at Rutgers being a wonderful fit. Their basketball blows. We are what we are, but they're equal to a low major in basketball. We're certainly an FBS level football program.

Hope you are not referring to basketball as we are one of the top 7 programs of all time. Football has been to two BCS Bowls and won them both convincingly. We have proved ourselves.

He was. Temple will just have to take a spanking this year before We exit the AAC.

(08-18-2013 10:37 PM)JHG722 Wrote:  

(08-18-2013 08:38 PM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Their basketball is nothing special and doesn't add anything to the ACC.

A couple of good years and Louisville fans get big headed. We're one of the most consistent programs in college basketball history. We do it without the backing of a corporate sugar daddy like Louisville. I dont think anyone is 'obsessed' with us. Our football is on the upswing. We know we have a lot to prove. God knows Louisville did too until recently. You're also the university of second (third, fourth, fifth) chances for castoffs like Dyer. Must be nice.

Oh, and LOL at Rutgers being a wonderful fit. Their basketball blows. We are what we are, but they're equal to a low major in basketball. We're certainly an FBS level football program.

Your football is garbage. You can't hold onto your coaches. You've never had a winning season in a BCS conference. Ever. Your only success came against MAC schools. Pretty pathetic. Scurry on back to the AAC board so you don't keep making a fool of yourself.

In the past 20 years Temple has beaten:
1995 Pitt (2-9)
1997 BC (4-7)
1997 Pitt (6-6)
1997 Rutgers (0-11)
1998 Pitt (2-9)
1998 VT (9-3)
1999 BC (8-4)
1999 Rutgers (1-10)
2000 Rutgers (3-8)
2001 WVU (3-9)
2001 Rutgers (2-8)
2002 Rutgers (1-11)
2002 Syracuse (4-8)
2004 Syracuse (6-6)
2010 UConn (8-5)
2011 Maryland (2-10)
2012 UConn (5-7)
2012 USF (3-9)

So in 20 years Temple has managed to beat three teams with a winning record. Two of those games were last century. The rest of Temple's wins came against the MAC, Army, Navy, FCS, and G5 schools.

Discussing Temple being an option for any P5 league is absurd.

(08-19-2013 11:11 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ...in 20 years Temple has managed to beat three teams with a winning record. Two of those games were last century. The rest of Temple's wins came against the MAC, Army, Navy, FCS, and G5 schools.

Discussing Temple being an option for any P5 league is absurd.

I look at Temple as like an apple seed I just planted... don't expect to get apples from it any time soon, but in 10 years, who knows?

(08-19-2013 11:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 11:11 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ...in 20 years Temple has managed to beat three teams with a winning record. Two of those games were last century. The rest of Temple's wins came against the MAC, Army, Navy, FCS, and G5 schools.

Discussing Temple being an option for any P5 league is absurd.

I look at Temple as like an apple seed I just planted... don't expect to get apples from it any time soon, but in 10 years, who knows?

Well I would leave that seed at the nursery until it sprouts.

(08-19-2013 11:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 11:11 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ...in 20 years Temple has managed to beat three teams with a winning record. Two of those games were last century. The rest of Temple's wins came against the MAC, Army, Navy, FCS, and G5 schools.

Discussing Temple being an option for any P5 league is absurd.

I look at Temple as like an apple seed I just planted... don't expect to get apples from it any time soon, but in 10 years, who knows?

Sorry, root rot killed that seedling off long ago.

(08-19-2013 12:19 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 11:58 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  

(08-19-2013 11:11 AM)4x4hokies Wrote:  ...in 20 years Temple has managed to beat three teams with a winning record. Two of those games were last century. The rest of Temple's wins came against the MAC, Army, Navy, FCS, and G5 schools.

Discussing Temple being an option for any P5 league is absurd.

I look at Temple as like an apple seed I just planted... don't expect to get apples from it any time soon, but in 10 years, who knows?

Sorry, root rot killed that seedling off long ago.

(08-19-2013 10:48 AM)gocards#1 Wrote:  Your football is garbage. You can't hold onto your coaches. You've never had a winning season in a BCS conference. Ever. Your only success came against MAC schools. Pretty pathetic. Scurry on back to the AAC board so you don't keep making a fool of yourself.

We cant hold onto our coaches? Golden left for a payday. We all know his ultimate goal is Penn State. Addazio didn't do crap and was a terrible coach. Everyone is glad we didn't hold onto him. For $2M, BC can have him. Must be nice to have Papa ****** Pizza to pay for all of your shiny toys...